I agree, and converting old plants to thorium is easy, all the turbines and transformers and cable infrastructure is there, just need to build a new boiler
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Dr. Michio Kaku : Fukushima : From Fashpoint 05-09-12 : Reactor 4
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I agree, and converting old plants to thorium is easy, all the turbines and transformers and cable infrastructure is there, just need to build a new boiler
stonehart
Paranormal Adept
Yeah the crazy thing about it is you are in fact taking stuff away from the old reactor you don't need. A thorium reactor can not go out of control, thorium is safe, it is very abundant, and it works at normal atmospheric pressure .. not like the lite water reactors that run under extreme pressure.
Qetuoadgjl
Skilled Investigator
I remember reading about this when chernobyl went boom
So why are they not helping now ?
where to start
Top of many lists will be, there are no ET's here, we may as well be asking why god or the invisible pink unicorn doesnt do something.
Next might be ,well ET's are actually demons so they would love this sort of disaster, or to take George LoBuono's idea that at least one species of verdant as he calls the greys, actually give unwitting pre space species this sort of technology so they can wreck the biosphere, thus giving them lawful grounds to come in and take ownership of said biosphere, using the same logic you would use in taking a loaded pistol from a 4 year old.
Perhaps thay have already abducted and sampled enough genetic material and dont need us anymore.
In a post biological upload hypothesis the deaths dont matter, only the rate of the die off since too many all at once will strain the system. They are allegeded to have had a winge about the atom bombs during world war II as causing souls to be lost, with extra effort needed to recycle them all (downtime loops and batched processing ?)
In the multiverse hypothesis its just a case of shit happened in that particular bubble, zillions more to play with.
Then there is the time traveller hypothesis, in which case fukushima is their history and cannot be changed, lest it change their future
And as a kid watching Jaws the movie i remember thinking the oceans would be a safer place if all those nasty sharks were just dead, we should kill em all and the oceans would be safe to swim in, maybe they feel the same way about our locust like habits.
Personally i think we should be responsible for our own situation
Children whos' parents constantly clean up for them, dont mature
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So why are they not helping now ?
where to start
Top of many lists will be, there are no ET's here, we may as well be asking why god or the invisible pink unicorn doesnt do something.
Next might be ,well ET's are actually demons so they would love this sort of disaster, or to take George LoBuono's idea that at least one species of verdant as he calls the greys, actually give unwitting pre space species this sort of technology so they can wreck the biosphere, thus giving them lawful grounds to come in and take ownership of said biosphere, using the same logic you would use in taking a loaded pistol from a 4 year old.
Perhaps thay have already abducted and sampled enough genetic material and dont need us anymore.
In a post biological upload hypothesis the deaths dont matter, only the rate of the die off since too many all at once will strain the system. They are allegeded to have had a winge about the atom bombs during world war II as causing souls to be lost, with extra effort needed to recycle them all (downtime loops and batched processing ?)
In the multiverse hypothesis its just a case of shit happened in that particular bubble, zillions more to play with.
Then there is the time traveller hypothesis, in which case fukushima is their history and cannot be changed, lest it change their future
And as a kid watching Jaws the movie i remember thinking the oceans would be a safer place if all those nasty sharks were just dead, we should kill em all and the oceans would be safe to swim in, maybe they feel the same way about our locust like habits.
Personally i think we should be responsible for our own situation
Children whos' parents constantly clean up for them, dont mature
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
I don't think E.T.s or whatever it is cares about the maturing or evolution of the human species. I don't think the appearance of and human interaction with UFOs has any motivation or purpose other than something directly associated with the needs originators of the phenomena. I am pretty convinced "we" are not the center of universe or the locus of UFO activity. It ain't about us.
I think the reported interest in nuclear weapons in silos is strange given that so many open air, underground, underwater, and space test detonations were made, we might as well have been at war. Right now, this very second, we have what equates to an ongoing nuclear exchange in Japan. A bomb that doesn't stop going off. Yet, it is a big no show. The only hope we have, just like it has always been, is in human reason and perseverance and that really looks like it is failing us at Fukushima.
I think the reported interest in nuclear weapons in silos is strange given that so many open air, underground, underwater, and space test detonations were made, we might as well have been at war. Right now, this very second, we have what equates to an ongoing nuclear exchange in Japan. A bomb that doesn't stop going off. Yet, it is a big no show. The only hope we have, just like it has always been, is in human reason and perseverance and that really looks like it is failing us at Fukushima.
boomerang
Paranormal Adept
:backonmysoapbox:
An observation regarding long term safety of potentially dangerous technologies--The most sophisticated technology mankind can devise, coupled with the best written and most sanctified safety regulations that can be written, are only as good as the organizational system in charge. This in turn, is utterly dependent on factors too frequently hidden behind layers of reassuring rhetoric and sometimes slick PR. Anything less than perfect will eventually fail.
Light on this topic can be found in the late Richard Feynman's book, "What Do You Care What Other People Think?". The latter half of it is dedicated to his personal experience wading swamps of bureaucratic BS while serving on the Rogers Commission, whose job it was to assess not only underlying causes of the Challenger disaster, but future airworthiness of the shuttle fleet. What Feynman found, in effect, was that the higher up the chain of command he went in his investigation, the less truthful and objective NASA employers and contractors were in expressing critical opinions. The full extent of his testimony was only allowed inclusion after he threatened to cause embarrassment by publicly pulling out.
All powerful technological marvels will eventually experience an incidence catastrophic failure. The question is not if but when, followed by cost-benefit analysis.
An observation regarding long term safety of potentially dangerous technologies--The most sophisticated technology mankind can devise, coupled with the best written and most sanctified safety regulations that can be written, are only as good as the organizational system in charge. This in turn, is utterly dependent on factors too frequently hidden behind layers of reassuring rhetoric and sometimes slick PR. Anything less than perfect will eventually fail.
Light on this topic can be found in the late Richard Feynman's book, "What Do You Care What Other People Think?". The latter half of it is dedicated to his personal experience wading swamps of bureaucratic BS while serving on the Rogers Commission, whose job it was to assess not only underlying causes of the Challenger disaster, but future airworthiness of the shuttle fleet. What Feynman found, in effect, was that the higher up the chain of command he went in his investigation, the less truthful and objective NASA employers and contractors were in expressing critical opinions. The full extent of his testimony was only allowed inclusion after he threatened to cause embarrassment by publicly pulling out.
All powerful technological marvels will eventually experience an incidence catastrophic failure. The question is not if but when, followed by cost-benefit analysis.
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
Nuclear power always comes out on the bad side of any cost-benefit analysis, yet we have over 400 nuclear power plants world-wide. People with some forethought in places of responsibility should have never gambled the future of the world on this incredibly dangerous and lethal technology. Arrogance, greed, willful ignorance of the consequences, and military interests allowed decision makers to disregard the health and well being of future generations.
How can we continue to build and operate nuclear power plants when we do not have a solution to the waste issue? It makes no sense whatsoever in any cost-benefit analysis I can imagine. The cost is simply too great to continue.
Qetuoadgjl
Skilled Investigator
trainedobserver, are your questions naive or hypothetical?
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
Your question lacks specificity. What questions of mine are you referring to?
Another factor is the economic meltdown of japan as a result of this, people are shy of buying produce and products from the affected area, and the cleanup bill will easily bankrupt tepco, with the balance having to come from japans economy.
Which in turn will mean if new clean technology becomes available
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They may not be in a fiscal position to replace these death traps
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Which in turn will mean if new clean technology becomes available
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They may not be in a fiscal position to replace these death traps
And then there is the insurance angle
At the end of the day only the taxpayer can afford the cleanup bills, its a neat scam isnt it, private companys get the profit, the taxpayer wears the liability
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At the end of the day only the taxpayer can afford the cleanup bills, its a neat scam isnt it, private companys get the profit, the taxpayer wears the liability
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Again how anyone could look at whats happened here and declare these devices "beyond safe" is astounding, thats the sort of cognitive dissonance we usually see only in the deeply religious......... oh wait..........
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Again how anyone could look at whats happened here and declare these devices "beyond safe" is astounding, thats the sort of cognitive dissonance we usually see only in the deeply religious......... oh wait..........
Qetuoadgjl
Skilled Investigator
"How can we continue to build and operate nuclear power plants when we do not have a solution to the waste issue" would be one of many. Naive or hypothetical?
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
More like rhetorical. Are you saying it is naive to think that the nuclear waste problem has not been solved?
tyder001
Paranormal Adept
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
Buildings being built with radioactive materials.
Rhetorical, was the first word that sprang to mind yesterday i must admit
If you had asked me 2 years ago if i supported Nuclear powerplants i would have said yes, any industrial setting has accidents, coal mines kill workers on a regular basis.
I didnt think the nuclear power industry was that bad in the big picture.
I thought space elevators for example might be a way to offload the barrels of waste in a safe and cheap way sometime down the technological track.
But Fukushima has changed my mind in a way 3 mile island and chernobyl didnt.
The degree in which this has "gotton away" from us is beyond anything i had previously contemplated would be possible.
It brings home to roost the magnitude of the danger these things can create when they suffer a catastropic failure.
I now view these devices as like building a bonfire in the bottom of a wooden boat, the short term benefit is outweiged by the end result
GeoShift
Paranormal Maven
Let it be known that when I did a copy and paste from the Internet on this thread applauding how clean and safe nuclear power is suppose to be, I posted that in light of the Fukushima disaster. As we can see just how dangerous nuclear is in the aftermath of this disaster. They want to spin the safe and clean aspect. The reality is nuclear power can be extremely hazardous, and when things go wrong, it can wreak havoc for many many years. Sry for not adding this info in the post. I just didn't think anyone could could think nuclear is clean and safe after Fukushima.