February 14, 2016 — Whitley Strieber

[Creepy Green Light]

Paul Kimball has a pretty interesting take on Whitley on his blog - that I happen to agree with. For those that may be interested The Other Side of Truth: UFO$, Inc. - Volume 3

 

[Wade]

I missed that post on the first go round and felt compelled to post what might be considered a somewhat contrarian pov on the site it was inspired a little bit by RS recent appearance here.

 

[Wade]

For a man who probably can't even be considered a researcher but an self centered self promoter experiencer (?) and whose multiple experiences are purely anecdotal i'm not sure he's worth that much digital ink. He's a known commodity.

I think it's possible he could have experienced such things internally but to me it's probably personal and not meant to be carried over to the masses. It's sort of like sharing what seems a fascinating dream to you it may be but unless YOU experience it the only people that adhere to him are probably those that read Jackie Collins and probably believe she had her thumb on the pulse of Hollywood and want to believe things are exactly they way she wrote about. These type of followers exist, accept it and move on.

It used to be that back in the 50s these encounters ended up with a message that basically was "Tell your friends, Hell tell everyone". Not really inclined to get caught up in this literature I wonder if this is still the parting message, it doesn't seem to get brought up much and if it was really happening why don't these buggers tell more people with the billions of people on this planet in order to get the word out more and yet only a select few are in on it and self appoint themselves as messengers?

Earth to Whitley, appreciate your experiences (assuming they are not figments of your imagination) for what they are, a personal experience and to everybody else that is offended by him and his existence just ignore him if need be, but carping on him isn't going to change anything. if anything he keeps UFOs in the public view.

 

[Constance]

I agree that WS's claims are not worth all the attention he gets, but @Liminalist's project researching the role of disinformation, psychological manipulation, and outright mind-control in the propagation of the abduction meme is critically important work, relevant not only to the current situation of ufo research but far beyond this subject matter.

 

[Burnt State]

I agree that WS's claims are not worth all the attention he gets, but @Liminalist's project researching the role of disinformation, psychological manipulation, and outright mind-control in the propagation of the abduction meme is critically important work, relevant not only to the current situation of ufo research but far beyond this subject matter.

but don't you feel we're just replacing one bogus mystery with a second one?

if Whitley's claims are problematic, then why bother validating them by trying to overlay another lens altogether over it to create an even bigger mystery, further obfuscating any notions of truth to his story by turning it into something even more unwieldy, unlikely and based in supposition? MKULTRA came and went, and sure the populace may still be being experimented upon but i'm not looking to the gang stalking victims or Whitely to try to prove that reality any time soon.

isn't it all like making something up about about something that was made up in the first place? i mean if fiction is just fiction, why write new fiction and call it reality - sorry @Liminalist , just me hollering at you from a few seats down at the bar. no malice intended, but while the beer is flowing why not hash out some of these ideas of what reality is reality. which claims are just claims etc...

 

[Liminalist]

That Burnt State is seen as something of a bright star at this forum indicates something about the style, interests, and level of inquiry at the Paracast. In a word, not a promising sign.

If BS (perfect acronym) were to spend a week at Rigorous Intuition, where both MKULTRA survivors and long-time researchers (sometimes the same individuals) post, I’d like to see how long his uninformed opinions about MKULTRA and SRA, etc., would hold out. The answer is, not very.

It’s ironic that BS talks about the “drugged masses” while expostulating the familiar neo-liberal line that extols hucksters like Huxley or Leary as genuine countercultural forces for humanity’s liberation, rather than the elite insiders that they were, parroting the exact set of beliefs social engineering has worked so long and hard to indoctrinate us with. Or that he is concerned about whether the word “Eskimo” is racist, or whether there should be a box for third (or twenty-third) sex on information forms to keep up with the latest identity fad, while showing total indifference to the testimonies of thousands upon thousands of people who have been ritually abused as children and permanently scarred by their experiences (if not altogether destroyed), with naught but “It has never been proven!” for his argument. And that, in the meantime, he ignores evidence extended at this very thread (FBI documents showing that the McMartin children were not lying about the tunnels, hence most likely telling the truth about everything else) because he already knows what reality is and is too busy enforcing it at this forum. Personally (& as a probable survivor myself), I can only call a spook a spook and cry utterly contemptible behavior. This was why I chose to end the exchange and move on down the bar. Unfortunately BS seems to resent the fact that some people here might find what I have to say of some value, and apparently this bar isn't big enough for the both of us.

Bright star or black hole? Be warned: this thread may collapse from the gravitational pull of too much sustained BS.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

Where does WS live nowadays and does he still have the house in upstate NY in the woods?

Silence = Deaf

 

[Burnt State]

That Burnt State is seen as something of a bright star at this forum indicates something about the style, interests, and level of inquiry at the Paracast. In a word, not a promising sign.

If BS (perfect acronym) were to spend a week at Rigorous Intuition, where both MKULTRA survivors and long-time researchers (sometimes the same individuals) post, I’d like to see how long his uninformed opinions about MKULTRA and SRA, etc., would hold out. The answer is, not very.

It’s ironic that BS talks about the “drugged masses” while expostulating the familiar neo-liberal line that extols hucksters like Huxley or Leary as genuine countercultural forces for humanity’s liberation, rather than the elite insiders that they were, parroting the exact set of beliefs social engineering has worked so long and hard to indoctrinate us with. Or that he is concerned about whether the word “Eskimo” is racist, or whether there should be a box for third (or twenty-third) sex on information forms to keep up with the latest identity fad, while showing total indifference to the testimonies of thousands upon thousands of people who have been ritually abused as children and permanently scarred by their experiences (if not altogether destroyed), with naught but “It has never been proven!” for his argument. And that, in the meantime, he ignores evidence extended at this very thread (FBI documents showing that the McMartin children were not lying about the tunnels, hence most likely telling the truth about everything else) because he already knows what reality is and is too busy enforcing it at this forum. Personally (& as a probable survivor myself), I can only call a spook a spook and cry utterly contemptible behavior. This was why I chose to end the exchange and move on down the bar. Unfortunately BS seems to resent the fact that some people here might find what I have to say of some value, and apparently this bar isn't big enough for the both of us.

Bright star or black hole? Be warned: this thread may collapse from the gravitational pull of too much sustained BS.

@Liminalist well, then, now you are just starting to insult aren't you?

not too sure if that merits a retort as my own concerns are genuine. but first: i, in no special way, represent this environment, nor should any one individual poster be used as some kind of measure of the dynamic diversity of ideas, personalities and contributors to the forum. it is a wide open community and i agree and disagree with many. please don't pigeon hole other people's watering holes. not very suave and talk about painting many with large brushes. you're new here so insulting the masses is not necessarily a good way to give your claims purchase. there are a number of people who support your position. why should one detractor set you aflutter when the conversation was being decent up till now? did i touch a nerve? the bar is plenty big and room for many. and we've all been continuing to get served by the bartender even if we don't care too much for what the folks are talking about in the next booth.

And if you read what I wrote I damned Leary, but definitely see Huxley as a positive social critic of class and culture and his ongoing promotion of personal freedom and exploration.

anyways, i still have not seen a legit SRA case float by, and i have no doubt that the delusional are highly convincing people to talk to. i've done it many times and know just how passionately they believe in their reality, so let's not start using personal conviction as a representation for unquestionable truth.

Rigorous Institution? Forgive me when i say that it doesn't sound too much different than hanging out with The Process - i'm sure you'll catch my drift there.

and i hold no resentment towards people. post freely and engage. i do take issue with conspiracist thinking, that's true, and i think it's still worth the critique. if you have the SRA cases handy then spin them. but please, not more stories, something evidentiary. McMartin trial = sexual abuse not Satanic Ritual Abuse. And yes, this case is yet another panic case - nothing real here at all. Another dismissal and kids identifying Chuck Norris as the abuser, witches flying on brooms - come on. What's real there?

and yes, i can be sardonic to make my points, it's a habit, can't stop that sort of stylistic flourish. if calling BS makes you happy, roll with it baby. i do.

and no, not a bright star, dude, a Blackstar. we're in the age of Bowie after all,

peace,

Ziggy.

 

[Constance]

Something's screwy with the posting system. We used to just click 'Reply' and the post we're replying to would appear in an open screen in which we could draft a reply and post it. Tonight, just now, clicking 'Reply' took me to a strange new page offering another 'Reply' button, so I clicked it and ended up with Burnt's post to me and no time or place to reply. So ignore this and I'll try again. But I'd like to leave this post here to call @Gene Steinberg's attention to the problem.

but don't you feel we're just replacing one bogus mystery with a second one?

if Whitley's claims are problematic, then why bother validating them by trying to overlay another lens altogether over it to create an even bigger mystery, further obfuscating any notions of truth to his story by turning it into something even more unwieldy, unlikely and based in supposition? MKULTRA came and went, and sure the populace may still be being experimented upon but i'm not looking to the gang stalking victims or Whitely to try to prove that reality any time soon.

isn't it all like making something up about about something that was made up in the first place? i mean if fiction is just fiction, why write new fiction and call it reality - sorry @Liminalist , just me hollering at you from a few seats down at the bar. no malice intended, but while the beer is flowing why not hash out some of these ideas of what reality is reality. which claims are just claims etc...

 

[Constance]

but don't you feel we're just replacing one bogus mystery with a second one?

Sometimes I don't know where you're coming from, Burnt, and this is one of those times. Strieber seems to have been the primary mover in generating a terrifying mythology concerning 'alien abduction' that preyed upon a lot of peoples' minds and filled them with anxiety concerning the ufo phenomenon itself. I've never followed the abduction 'literature' or spent time discussing whether the nightmare visions and memories of abductees might be valid reports of actual events. Reading the information @Liminalist provided here and reading more at his website persuades me of what I long suspected -- that the terror and revulsion inspired by Strieber's influential writing is the result of disinformation and distortion, and it turns out that this distortion was deeply seeded in Strieber's mind by psychological manipulation in his childhood. There's plenty of evidence in this thread that such manipulation has involved considerable numbers of children and reached into colleges and universities (likely also into some private elementary and high schools, and obviously into the military where it served the purpose of producing hypnotically controlled assassins). Do you really think that these programs have ceased to exist? Why would they if social control through mind control is the goal of those who devised, developed, and carried out these programs? Replacing the abduction meme with public insight into its actual origins is an unmixed benefit to our and other societies and people. It's hardly covering one 'bogus mystery' up with another. It's truth-telling, a rare commodity in the world we're living in.

I'll go back to your post and see if there's anything else there that I need to respond to.

 

[Burnt State]

Sometimes I don't know where you're coming from, Burnt, and this is one of those times.

Same back at you.

Why are you willing to substitute one grand myth for another? You are willing to damn a part of what Whitley says but you are willing to believe other parts of it? This makes no sense. The conspiracist approach to thinking is to automatically validate and invalidate statements and then combine it with another narrative to make a whole new possible storyline. Both sets of these origial plot points though originate from Whitley. Why believe some but not all, and then believe all of a new story based on some when we don't even know if any if those plot points have any basis in reality at all. It's fictions on top of fictions.

Is it the story itself you find compelling: that the military has been using and manipulating children from their own families primarily to induce an alien abduction meme in society for evil reasons unknown and they've been up to it for decades. Now if that makes total sense to you then that's fine but, yes, I would have to say I don't know where you're coming from on this one either.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

Question; in the movie "Communion" - what is the robot/toy thing that comes hovering in the room to Christopher Walken's bed supposed to mean/represent? Thanks

 

[Liminalist]

In an attempt to keep this post from becoming too epic, I will try and keep to bullet points.

· BS, Robert: I’m not trying to insult anyone, only to hold to account. The question of systematized sexual abuse of children is a charged issue for everyone, one way or another. It is as serious a topic as there is.

· Some watering holes are poisoned and it’s reasonable to try and ascertain when this is the case. The UFO field is overrun with intelligence operatives. I for one am tired of being lied to, and it is often very difficult to know when one is dealing with ignorance or deception, since ignorance is so often a kind of self-deception, and deception invariably entails ignorance of one kind or another.

· If you want to talk about delusions, they come in all shapes and sizes. While claims of alien/ET contact are outlandish by just about every criteria, claims of ritualized sexual abuse are not. On the contrary, they are a central, if much ignored, element throughout history. See Lloyd de Mause to assuage any doubts about that.

· Of course everyone has a tendency to believe one way or another. Yet I would say that the tendency to disbelieve claims of widespread child abuse, including those associated with intelligence programs and/or occult ritualistic practices (which I think are often the same) is an easy to understand tendency, i.e., denial is likely to go pretty deep when the alternative is to begin the painful process of recognizing that the society we live in is essentially a breeding and feeding ground for sexual predators. This would be especially so for anyone who has children of their own. People in the US seem to have kept their illusions about this relatively intact, unlike in the UK, where the revelations have come hard and fast since the death of Jimmy Savile.

· So what about the inclination to want to believe that this is true, as in my own case? This is less easy to understand, unless we allow for some sort of experience of these realities to begin with. There is nothing reassuring about believing these accounts—unless, that is, a person has lived a life struggling to keep memories of similar experiences out of awareness, after growing up in an environment in which it was not safe, not even possible, to speak about such things. This was almost certainly my own experience. I write about my own tendency to “want to believe” the worst about our society here: A Lamb Among Wolves (Occult Yorkshire 17)

· From my own experientially informed point of view, anyone who denies the reality of these accounts entirely (i.e., who suggests as BS did that they can all be chalked up to “delusions” and false memories), is either a) lying; b) uniformed; c) rigidly opposed to the possibility for unconscious, emotional reasons; or d) a combination of all three.

· Because of my own belief around this, I choose, whenever possible, not to engage with “denialists” of ritualized abuse, unless they seem open to getting better informed and are genuinely inquiring (which BS is not, IMO). The reason for my reluctance to engage is a) it is a waste of time; b) it is too personally upsetting, or “triggering” for me to have to deal people, who, in my view, are in one way or another complicit with the crimes being addressed, by denying they ever happened to a probable victim of them. Hence my use of the word “contemptible.” I feel genuine contempt for this behavior. And yeah, I get indignant.

Bringing it back to the topic at hand:

· Anyone who thinks Strieber is simply making up stories, and that is all there is to this, needs to spend some more time looking at the material. They can start with Ed Conroy’s Report on Communion if they are more into nuts-and-bolts fact-based approach. (I am not saying that Conroy might not be lying too, BTW, only that if he were, then it would prove that Strieber’s fabrications have been heavily supported by other parties, and not simply by deluded believers.) Prisoner of Infinity does rely a lot on Strieber’s testimonies, but then it is not an on-the-ground journalistic attempt to verify his accounts. It is a psychological and sociological exploration of the Strieber phenomenon, and of the larger abduction, paranormal, and “spiritual” one that overlaps and intersects with it (and to a degree mushroomed out of it).

· I challenge anyone who has read it in its entirety (part one) to claim that Strieber is just making up stories whole-cloth. It is a serious investigation and to suggest that I would spent several years and thousands upon thousands of words exegesis-izing a charlatan’s fantasies is an insult to myself (one I only mention because BS was acting wounded).

· If someone wants to engage the material in a skeptical manner, I welcome it. But to do so requires more than blanket statements of disbelief, which is all BS has offered so far. It requires addressing specific assertions made in the work (with direct quotes, not paraphrasing), or, better yet, citations of the evidence presented there, with explanations of how or why you think the evidence is faulty, and/or how I may have misinterpreted it.

Returning to the question of systematized/ritualized sexual child abuse, a friend emailed me this today which I think is worth quoting (trigger warning, the language may be disturbing to some):

The word "abuse" is even an abhorrently inadequate word to use , IMO, to describe the diddling or f***ing of children (who are often passed along from one child-f***er to another). Throw the word "Satanic" in there and you are going to find yourself doubly-screwed by another ambiguous word, IMO. The only word that seems appropriate to me in the phrase "Satanic Ritual Abuse" is the word "ritual". Why not call it something like "Ritual F***ing and/or Murder of Children" (RFMC) or something like that? Also, the use of the word "MK-Ultra" has always been too obfuscating of a term, to my ears, as it is too cryptogramic; it's a word produced by government agencies and holds no charge for me as there is nothing in it that is describing what it actually being done in that operation and this fact gets to the root of the whole psy-op, I think; the ambiguity of a cryptonym like "MK-Ultra" is used to keep some people uninterested in what is actually happening because that cryptonym doesn't hold much energetic charge AND, at the same time, it is used to draw some people in because of its code-like mystery-name; a name that has become synonymous with "this operation covers EVERYTHING".

· I mostly agree with these points, though I would say that child abuse is certainly not restricted to murdering and raping children, because much milder forms of interference, even nonphysical ones, can have a lasting & deleterious effect on a child’s psyche (emotional incest is one term to describe nonphysical abuse of children, though it may be common to the point of almost being universal in the west).

· Lloyd de Mause’s statistics indicate that the sexual abuse of children, independent of any allegation of ritualistic elements or government programs, may be as high as 50% in the US and, by extension, the western world. (It is not likely to be any better in the rest of the world.) De Mause also believes that things are better now than at any time in history. If this is even half true, obviously it means one or both of two things: most people do not talk about their experiences; many people do not remember them.

· Since I have been writing and speaking of my own experiences, while still lacking any clear-cut memories of severe or systematic abuse, I have met more and more people who have had similar experiences in their past. This suggests that they are indeed everywhere among us (that they are us), but that, until it feels safe to speak about, or even think about, then most people will push the experiences out of awareness as much as possible, even to the point of never really thinking about them; or perhaps, not remembering them.

· I am not suggesting that these memories should be dug up, BTW, much less by using hypnosis. I am merely stating what I have come to see as the unpalatable truth around this.

· It occurred to me today that relatively few children claim to have memories of alien abductions, as compared to adults. On the other hand, countless children do make claims of being sexually abused (sometimes in ritualistic context), and without any need for hypnosis to bring out their memories. The idea that they are being coaxed to invent these stories is common now; but again, which is more soothing for most people to believe? Why would children make up these stories? To do so would itself require some extremely adverse conditions.

· Simply put, while the existence of systematized abuse that is kept hidden, suppressed, and often pushed into unconsciousness, would account for “Satanic panic,” as well as alien abduction memories and all manner of other “delusions,” the reverse is simply not the case. Satanic panic can’t explain away these stories, because it leaves unaddressed the reason for such delusional, hysterical behavior. Only severely traumatized people are prey to such delusions. And it is severe trauma that is being reported.

· I want to copy and paste the material from the child abuse wiki site, since it includes many citations for those who seriously wish to inquire into this, but it seems it exceeds the limits of words allowed per post, so I will do it in a couple of follow up posts.

 

[Liminalist]

From Ritual Abuse - Child Abuse Wiki

Evidence

There is a great deal of evidence supporting the existence of ritual abuse crimes as a worldwide phenomenon. Bottoms, Shaver and Goodman found in their 1993 study evaluating ritual abuse claims that in 2,292 alleged ritual abuse cases, 15% of the perpetrators in adult cases and 30% of the perpetrators in child cases confessed to the abuse[15]. "In a survey of 2,709 members of the American Psychological Association, it was found that 30 percent of these professionals had seen cases of ritual or religion-related abuse (Bottoms, Shaver & Goodman, 1991). Of those psychologists who have seen cases of ritual abuse, 93 percent believed that the reported harm took place and 93 percent believed that the alleged ritualism occurred....The similar research of Nancy Perry (1992) which further supports (the previous findings)…Perry also conducted a national survey of therapists who work with clients with dissociative disorders and she found that 88 percent of the 1,185 respondents indicated ”belief in ritual abuse, involving mind control and programming.”[16]

Recently an online survey[17]of over one thousand people answered questions about ritual abuse and extreme abuse crimes. In a summary of the survey[18], it was found that ritual abuse/mind control is a global phenomenon. Fifty-five percent stated they were abuse in a Satanic cult. Seventy-seven percent of the adult survivors that responded "had been threatened with death if they ever talked about the abuse." Also, "257 respondents reported that secret mind control experiments were used on them as children." Eighty-two percent reported being sexually abused by multiple perpetrators.

Anne Johnson Davis in her bookHell Minus Onereported that her parents confessed to her abuse in writing and verbally to clergymen, and to the detectives from the Utah Attorney General’s Office. Her suppressed memories started when she was in her mid-30s, which were fully substantiated by her mother and stepfather[19][20].

Many scientific journals articles have discussed the reality of ritual abuse and its effect on its victims. Some of these articles have discussed the extreme nature of these crimes[21], proof of the reality of the ritual abuse phenomenon and victims' symptoms[22], the connection between ritual abuse, multiple personality disorder and mind control[23]and the connections between ritual abuse reports and the higher levels of symptoms of childhood sexual and physical abuse[24]. Several additional studies and organizations have compiled research on the reality of ritual abuse crimes[25][26][27].

Ritual abuse and mind control crimes have also been confirmed in other books[28][29][30][31]

A study which identified 270 cases of sexual abuse in day care settings found that allegations of ritual abuse occurred in thirteen percent of the cases[32]. Additional evidence of ritual abuse in day care and child abuse cases has been found in news reports, journal articles and legal transcripts[33][34][35][36][37].

Ritual abuse occurrences have also been found in the Netherlands[38]and the United Kingdom[39][40][41][42][43]. A ritual abuse case in the United States in 2006 had a confession and convictions. The case included up to 25 children.[44]

Kent believes that intergenerational satanic accounts are possible and that rituals related to them may come from a deviant interpretation of religious texts[45][46]. Others have stated that the theories and research around recovered memory "strongly confirm the reality of...cult abuse" of SRA survivors[47].


References

1. ^Satanic Ritual Abuse evidence

2. ^2008 Publications on Ritual Abuse and Mind Control

3. ^Lacter, E (2008-02-11). “Brief Synopsis of the Literature on the Existence of Ritualistic Abuse”.

4. ^S.M.A.R.T.'s Ritual Abuse Pages

5. ^http://www.ritualabusetorture.org/

6. ^Home - RA Info

7. ^Survivorship.Org | For Survivors of Ritual Abuse, Mind Control and Torture

8. ^End Ritual Abuse

9. ^Believe the children (1997). “Conviction List: Ritual Child Abuse”.

10.^The Satanism and Ritual Abuse Archive

11.^Noblitt, PhD, J. R. - An Empirical Look at the Ritual Abuse Controversy (2007)

12.^Report of the Ritual Abuse Task Force - Los Angeles County Commission for Women"Mind control is the cornerstone of ritual abuse, the key element in the subjugation and silencing of its victims. Victims of ritual abuse are subjected to a rigorously applied system of mind control designed to rob them of their sense of free will and to impose upon them the will of the cult and its leaders. Most often these ritually abusive cults are motivated by a satanic belief system [only on the surface.] The mind control is achieved through an elaborate system of brainwashing, programming, indoctrination, hypnosis, and the use of various mind-altering drugs. The purpose of the mind control is to compel ritual abuse victims to keep the secret of their abuse, to conform to the beliefs and behaviors of the cult, and to become functioning members who serve the cult by carrying out the directives of its leaders without being detected within society at large."[1]

13.^Survivorship - Frequently Asked Questions

14.^Van Benschoten, Susan C. (1990).Multiple Personality Disorder and Satanic Ritual Abuse: the Issue Of CredibilityDissociation : Vol. 3, No. 1, p. 022-030 : Multiple Personality Disorder and Satanic Ritual Abuse: The Issue of CredibilityDissociationVol. III, No. 1 "A large number of adult MPD patients in psychotherapy are reporting memories of explicitly satanic ritual abuse beginning in childhood. The authors of two limited surveys, conducted with a select group of MPD therapists, suggest the percentage of reported satanic ritual abuse in the MPD population to be 20% (Braun & Gray, 1986) and 28% (Braun & Gray, 1987). A survey by Kaye and Klein (1987) reveals that 20 of the 42 MPD patients in treatment with seven Ohio therapists describe a history of satanic ritual abuse. Ilopponen (1987) states that 38 of the more than 70 MPD patients she has treated report memories of "satanic-type ritualized abuse " (p. 11). Two inpatient facilities specializing in the treatment of MPD report that approximately 50% of their patients disclose memories of satanic ritual abuse (Braun, 1989a; Ganaway, 1989). Similar accounts of satanic ritual abuse are being reported by personally unrelated MPD patients from across the United States (Braun, 1989b; Braun & Sachs, 1988; Kahaner, 1988; Sachs & Braun, 1987). In addition, according to Braun (1989b), the reports of patients in this country are similar to data collected from adult survivors in England, Holland, Germany, France, Canada, and Mexico...Brown (1986), noting many similar allegations in child and adult satanic ritual abuse accounts, suggests that reports are not only comparable across geographical and personal boundaries, but across generations as well."

15.^Data from Brown, Scheflin and Hammond (1998).Memory, Trauma Treatment, And the Law(W. W. Norton)ISBN 0-393-70254-5(p.62) Bottoms, B. Shaver, P. & Goodman, G. (1993) Profile of ritual abuse and religion related abuse allegations in the United States. Updated findings provided via personal communication from B. Bottoms. Cited in K.C. Faller (1994), Ritual Abuse; A Review of the research. The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children Advisor , 7, 1, 19-27

16.^Noblitt, J.R.; Perskin, P. (2000).Cult and Ritual Abuse: Its History, Anthropology, and Recent Discovery in Contemporary Americap. 269, Greenwood Publishing Group.

17.^Extreme Abuse Survey

18.^Understanding ritual trauma: A comparison of findings from three online surveys

19.^Johnson Davis, AnneHell Minus One: My Story of Deliverance From Satanic Ritual Abuse and My Journey to FreedomTranscript Bulletin Publishing -ISBN 978-0-9788348-0-7- 2008

20.^Hell Minus One - signed verified confessions of satanic ritual abuse

21.^Cozolino, L.J. (1990). “Ritual child abuse, psychopathology, and evil”.Journal of Psychology and Theology, 18(3):218-227 "Ritualistic abuse is an extreme form of psychological, physical, and sexual maltreatment of children in the context of "religious" ceremony. The clinical presentation of the victims of such abuse is complex and raises many issues related in the diagnosis and treatment of psychopathology as well as the importance of spiritual counseling"

22.^Cozolino, L.J.; Shaffer, R.E (Fall 1992) "Adults who report childhood ritualistic abuse." Special Issue: Satanic ritual abuse: The current state of knowledge.Journal of Psychology and Theology20(3) "Skeptics question the legitimacy of these reports, but many factors point to the reality of the phenomenon of ritualistic abuse. First of all, the degree of consistency between reports of individuals from different parts of the country is very high. The fact that children as young as 2 and 3 report ritualistic abuse experiences that mirror those reported by adult victims is especially striking in light of the fact that young children do not have access to the kind of printed information that might conceivably allow an older person to fabricate such experiences (Gould, 1987). Second, experiences of ritualistic abuse reported by victims of all ages are virtually identical to written historical accounts of Satan worship and the like (Hill & Goodwin, 1989; Russell, 1972), findings that substantiate our present-day understanding of Satanism and ritualistic abuse as intragenerational phenomenon. Third, the symptoms from which individuals reporting histories of ritualistic abuse tend to suffer are consistent with our current understanding of post-traumatic stress disorder and the dissociative disorders. The progression in which ritualistic abuse survivors respond to psychotherapy places these victims squarely within the category of individual who have suffered real-not imagined-trauma."

23.^Gould, C., & Cozolino, L. (1992) “Ritual abuse, multiplicity, and mind-control.” Special Issue: Satanic ritual abuse: The current state of knowledge.Journal of Psychology and Theology20(3):194-6 "As a result of the psychologically intolerable nature of their early childhood experiences, victims of ritual abuse frequently develop multiple personality disorder (MPD)....Ritual abuse is conducted on behalf of a cult whose purpose is to establish mind control over the victims. Thus, these perpetrators have a conscious motive for the abuse beyond compulsively repeating their own childhood abuse in an effort to gain mastery over the original trauma. Most victims state that they were ritually abused as part of satanic worship, for the purpose of indoctrinating them into satanic beliefs (Los Angeles County Commission for Women, 1989). Mind control is originally established when the victim is a child under 6 years old."

24.^Lawrence, K.J.; Cozolino, L.; Foy, D.W. (1995).Psychological sequelae in adult females reporting childhood ritualistic abuse.Child Abuse & Neglect19 (8): 975-984. doi:10.1016/0145-2134(95)00059-H. "Women reporting ritualistic features scored significantly higher on measures of childhood sexual and physical abuse. Neither PTSD diagnostic status nor severity for PTSD nor dissociative experiences were significantly different between the groups."

25.^Gould, C. (1995).Denying ritual abuse of children.Journal of Psychohistory, 22(3), 329-339. "The evidence is rapidly accumulating that the problem of ritual abuse is considerable in scope and extremely grave in its consequences Among 2,709 members of the American Psychological Association who responded to a poll, 2,292 cases of ritual abuse were reported (Bottoms, Shaver, & Goodman, 1993). In 1992 alone, Childhelp USA logged 1,741 calls pertaining to ritual abuse, Monarch Resources of Los Angeles logged approximately 5,000, Real Active Survivors tallied nearly 3,600, Justus Unlimited of Colorado received almost 7,000, and Looking Up of Maine handled around 6,000. Even allowing for some of these calls to have been made by people who assist survivors but arc not themselves survivors, and for some survivors to have called more that one helpline or made multiple calls to the same helpline, these numbers suggest that at a minimum there must be tens of thousands of survivors of ritual abuse in the United States. Evidence also continues to accumulate that the ritual abuse of children constitutes a child abuse problem of significant scope. In 1988, Finkelhor, Williams and Burns published the results of a nationwide study of substantiated reports of sexual abuse in day care involving 1,639 young child victims. Thirteen percent of these cases were found to involve ritual abuse. Other studies of ritually abused children have been relatively small. Kelly (1988; 1989; 1992a; 1992b; 1993) reported on 35 day care victims of ritual abuse, Waterman et al. (1993) reported on 82 children complaining of ritual abuse in preschool, Faller (1988; 1990) studied 18 children who had disclosed ritual abuse in their preschool, and Bybee and Mowbray (1993) from the Michigan State Department of Mental Health identified 62 children alleging ritual abuse in their preschool and 53 children who reported seeing others be ritually abused. Snow and Sorenson (1990) studied 39 children reporting ritual abuse in five neighborhoods in Utah, and Jonker and Jonker-Bakker (1991) reported on a total group of 98 children, at least 48 of whom were believed to be victims of ritual abuse. The latter case is the only one cited here which was conducted outside of the United States."[2]

26.^Paley, K. (June 1992).Dream wars: a case study of a woman with multiple personality disorderDissociation5 (2): 111-116. "Apologists believe that reports of satanic cult abuse either must or could be true. There is some evidence to support the apologists. In 1986, the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts in Commonwealth v. Drew (397 Mass. 65) upheld the conviction of Carl H. Drew for the murder of Karen Marsden. There was evidence that Drew conducted satanic ritual meetings and that he had killed Marsden "because she wanted to leave the cult " (Commonworth v. Drew, 1986, p. 66). Marsden had gone to the police and reported a human sacrifice. Scott Waterhouse was convicted of the murder of a twelve year-old girl, and the conviction was upheld in the State of Maine v. Scott Waterhouse (513 A. 2d 862, Me. 1986). It was ruled that the trial court's introduction of the defendant's satanic beliefs was relevant in establishing motive and intent. In a study of hundreds of day care centers, Finkelhor and Williams found that "... [c]lear-cut corroboration of ritualistic practices was available in a few cases, such as Country Walk [in Miami], where ritual objects were found by police and where the female perpetrators did admit to some of the sadistic practices alleged in the children's stories" (1988, pp. 59-60). Greaves (1992) describes a video made by the Chicago Police Department of two sites allegedly used for satanic ceremonies. He was struck by the similarity of the material to descriptions he had heard from many of his clients.

27.^Report of Utah State Task Force on Ritual AbuseUtah Governor’s Commission for Women and Families (1992)

28.^Secret Weapons - Two Sisters’ Terrifying True Story of Sex, Spies and Sabotageby Cheryl and Lynn Hersha with Dale Griffis, Ph D. and Ted Schwartz. New Horizon Press, P O Box 669 Far Hills, NJ 07931 - ISBN0-88282-196-2 "“By the time Cheryl Hersha came to the facility, knowledge of multiple personality was so complete that doctors understood how the mind separated into distinct ego states,each unaware of the other. First, the person traumatized had to be both extremely intelligent and under the age of seven, two conditions not yet understood though remaining consistent as factors. The trauma was almost always of a sexual nature…” p. 52 “The government researchers,aware of the information in the professional journals, decided to reverse the process (of healing from hysteric dissociation). They decided to use selective trauma on healthy children to create personalities capable of committing acts desired for national security and defense.” p. 53 - 54

29.^Rutz, Carol (2001).A Nation Betrayed. Grass Lake, MI: Fidelity Publishing.ISBN 0-9710102-0-X.

30.^Byington, Judy MSW, LCSW, ret. (2012)Twenty-Two Faces - Inside the Extraordinary Life of Jenny Hill and Her Twenty-Two Multiple PersonalitiesTate Publishing May, 2012 ISBN-13: 978-1620240328 "Twenty-Two Faces documents how the only known survivor-intended-victim of a modern-day human sacrifice ceremony six year-old Jenny Hill, overcomes multiplicity resulting from brainwashing, her perpetrators having subjected the child to insidious mind-control techniques culled from Nazi Germany."

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[Liminalist]

31.^Allred, Cathy 7/28/12Surviving Satan worship: Author helps victims healDaily Herald "Ritual abuse was taken seriously and investigated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to which Jenny belongs,"...."Hundreds of survivors have been found," Ross said...'Twenty-Two Faces' encourages the reader to focus on the pain, conflict and healing in Jenny's life in order to better understand the anguish of people who suffer these same types of devastating ordeals. Her biography gives realistic hope to those thousands so plagued and fragmented by this same gruesome, profound emotional shock." While others are healing, Byington claims others remain at the mercy of the dark priests of hell. Satan worshippers live in Happy Valley and elsewhere in Utah, according to the author. They have secret combinations. They live in duplicity. They torture and sacrifice the innocent. They give birth in secret so the babies they sacrifice have no birth certificate record. They take the time to learn speaking Latin backwards from what is called the Black Bible."

32.^Sexual Abuse in Day Care: A National Study - Executive Summary - March 1988Finklehor, Williams, Burns, Kalinowski "“The study identified 270 “cases” of sexual abuse in day care meaning 270 facilities where substantiated abuse had occurred involving a total of 1639 victimized children….This yielded an estimate of 500 to 550 reported and substantiated cases and 2500 victims for the three-year period. Although this is a large number, it must be put in the context of 229,000 day care facilities nationwide service seven million children…allegations of ritual abuse (”the invocation of religious, magical or supernatural symbols of activities”) occurred in 13% of the cases.”

33.^Day Care and Child Abuse CasesInformation on the McMartin Preschool Case, Michelle Remembers, the Fells Acres - Amirault Case, the Wenatchee, Washington Case, the Dale Akiki Case, the Glendale Montessori - Toward case, the Little Rascals Day Care Center case, Fran’s Day Care case, the Baran case and the Halsey case

34.^McMartin Preschool Case - What Really Happened and the Coverup

35.^deMause, Lloyd,Why Cults Terrorize and Kill ChildrenThe Journal of Psychohistory21 (4) 1994 "Cult abuse is increasing, only that-as with the increase in all child abuse reports-we have become more open to hearing them. But it seemed unlikely that the surge of cult memories could all be made up by patients or implanted by therapists. Therapists are a timid group at best, and the notion that they suddenly begin implanting false memories in tens of thousands of their clients for no apparent reason strained credulity. Certainly no one has presented a shred of evidence for massive "false memory" implantations."[3]

36.^Summit, R.C. (1994).The Dark Tunnels of McMartinJournal of Psychohistory21 (4): 397-416."The opportunity came in April, 1990 with permission from the new owner of the preschool to search for the tunnels before he demolished the building and redeveloped the property. These soiled but solid citizens managed to find what the district attorney had disclaimed: solid, scientific evidence that someone had not only dug tunnels under the preschool, but also had taken the trouble to try to undo them. The results of this definitive excavation are described in meticulous detail in the 185 page Report of the Archaeological Excavation of the McMartin Preschool Site by E. Gary Stickel, Ph.D., the UCLA archaeologist commissioned to do the study....Dr. Stickel's report (p.95) concludes: There is no other scenario that fits all of the facts except that the feature was indeed a tunnel. The date of the construction and use of the tunnel was not absolutely established, but an assessment of seven factors of data all indicate that it was probably constructed, used and completely filled back in after 1966 (the construction date of the preschool). This age assessment has also been corroborated by the consulting Geologist for the project, Dr. Don Michael."[4]

37.^Tamarkin, C. (1994a).Investigative Issues in Ritual Abuse Cases, Part I.Treating Abuse Today, 4 (4): 14-23. Tamarkin, C. (1994b). Investigative Issues in Ritual Abuse Cases, Part II.Treating Abuse Today, 4 (5): 5-9.

38.^Jonker, F.; Jonker-bakker, P. (1991). “Experiences with ritualistic child sexual abuse: a case study from the Netherlands”.Child Abuse and Neglect15: 191-196. doi:10.1016/0145-2134(91)90064-K.PMID 2043971"The case of apparent ritual sexual abuse of children in a community in the Netherlands is described in terms of the children's stories, behaviors, and physical symptoms and the community's reaction to reactions of police and other professionals."

39.^Sinason, V (1994).Treating Survivors of Satanist Abuse. New York: Routledge.ISBN 0-415-10543-9.Major publications by Valerie Sinason

40.^Cornish 'white witches' guilty of ritual sex abuse on girlsPolice say children as young as three may have been involved in coven's ceremonies Steven Morris 12/14/12 "Two members of a Cornish white witch coven have been convicted of carrying out ritualistic sex abuse on young girls. Peter Petrauske, 72, who claimed to be a high priest, and Jack Kemp, 69, donned robes and carried pagan artefacts when they attended ceremonies during which children were forced to strip and then abused. Police believe children as young as three may have been involved."

41.^Pair jailed over witches' coven 'ritualistic' sex abuseRyan Hooper 12/14/12 "Two men accused of being part of a paedophile ring involving murdered “witch” Peter Solheim have been given lengthy jail sentences for their part in “ritualistic, sickening” sex abuse of young girls. Jack Kemp and Peter Petrauske spent years tormenting their female victims, one said to be as young as three. Both men had denied any involvement in the abuse, claiming they were victims of a witch hunt or conspiracy. But a jury at Truro Crown Court dismissed their protestations, convicting the pair of a string of offences dating back to the 1970s, as well as finding Kemp guilty of several more recent sexual assaults unconnected to Petrauske. Jailing Kemp for 14 years and Petrauske for 18, Judge Graham Cottle told them: "The offences range from the extremely serious to the truly horrifying. "You are two of the surviving members of a paedophile ring, together with others whose names have repeated frequently in this trial who were members of a ring that operated in Falmouth (Cornwall) in the 1970s and 1980s...."It (the trial) has featured ritualistic, sickening abuse of young, young children."

42.^'White witch coven' took part ritualistic sex abuse of young girls, court toldTwo men deny string of attacks in Cornwall on children as young as three from late 1970s to 2009 Steven Morris and agency 11/28/12 "Members of a "white witch coven" in Cornwall donned ceremonial robes and used daggers in ritualistic sex abuse of young girls, a court has heard. Peter Petrauske, 72, who allegedly told police he was high priest of the coven, and Jack Kemp, 69, were said to have been involved in criminal "pagan ceremonies" over a 30-year period."

43.^Paedophile cult leader convicted for 'satanic' rape campaignColin Batley was self-styled high priest of group that handed children around for sex in Kidwelly, West Wales 3/9/11 "A man has been found guilty of leading a "satanic" sex cult from his home in a small Welsh town. Colin Batley, 48, of Kidwelly, west Wales, presided over a group that preyed on young children and held occult rites. He was found guilty at Swansea crown court of rape and carrying out perverted sexual acts on children and adults. Batley was the self-styled high priest of the group, which operated from a series of homes in a cul-de-sac in the seaside town."

44.^Satanist paedophile ring 'ritually raped up to 25 children'Tom Leonard in Ponchatoula 6/3/05 "In a case that has horrified Americans way beyond the Bible Belt, Louis Lamonica Jnr and eight members the Hosanna Church are accused of being members of a Satanic paedophile ring who ritually raped up to 25 children, as well as performing animal sacrifices. Police say some of those charged - who include Lamonica's wife and a deputy sheriff - have already admitted devil worship inside the now defunct church on the outskirts of Ponchatoula, the parish's main town. The discovery of badly rubbed-out pentagrams on the floor and eight boxes of hooded black costumes - allegedly used both in the abuse and in "morality tales" performed to prepare the young victims - bear out some of the claims....Lamonica himself astonished police by walking into a neighbouring sheriff's office a few weeks ago and confessing out of the blue that over five years he and other church members had sexually abused boys and girls aged between one and 16 and taught them to have sex with each other, as well as with a dog. Lamonica, 45, said he had drunk cat's blood and poured it over the bodies of his young victims, some of whom were the abusers' children. Local police say his claims have been confirmed by some of the victims, of whom half a dozen have so far been interviewed, and by some of the fellow abusers, whose names Lamonica freely gave to police."

45.^Kent, Stephen. (1993). “Deviant Scripturalism and Ritual Satanic Abuse Part One: Possible Judeo-Christian Influences”.Religion23(23):229-241.

46.^Kent, Stephen. (1993). “Deviant Scripturalism and Ritual Satanic Abuse. II: Possible Masonic, Mormon, Magick, and Pagan influences”.Religion23(4):355-367

47.^McCulley, D.Satanic ritual abuse: A question of memory.Journal of Psychology and TheologyFall 1994 22(3) p.167-172 "leading memory researchers such as Dr. Bessel van der Kolk of Harvard Medical School maintain that traumatic memories, which typically are engraved in the sensorimotor processes, are not subject to the same kinds of contamination that can affect normal memory. Traumatic amnesia, described in the DSM-III-R as psychogenic amnesia, is a phenomenon which has been known to mental health professionals for more than 100 years. The clinically observed characteristics of traumatic memory formation and retrieval match precisely the patterns of memory recovery exhibited by SRA survivors, and strongly confirm the reality of their cult abuse....If satanic ritual abuse is a question of memory, the data redound to the credibility of those thousands of individuals who identify themselves as SRA survivors. All the scientific studies of memory under trauma indicate that the bimodal response described by van der Kolk (1994), whether hyperpotentiated or dissociative, heightens the reliability of recall. The phenomenon of recovered memory is not a new therapeutic fad created by irresponsible clinical experimentation, but a well established aspect of trauma. The connection between trauma and memory disturbance is made clear by the definition of psychogenic amnesia in the DSM-III-R (1987)...Further, there often is corroboration for these retrieved memories. Judith Herman and Emily Schatzow (1992) found that in a sample of 53 women who disclosed memories of abuse for which they had been amnesic, 74% of the subjects were able to find independent confirmation from family members, pornographic photos, or diaries. Ivor Browne (1990a) found the "internal consistency of the traumatic account" persuasive, and also discovered that in the sizeable minority of cases where there was an available witness that "in every instance, the traumatic events . turn out to be true" (p. 30). There is no longer room for denial and disbelief - for evading the grim reality of SRA - by recourse to memory research which simply does not apply. Solid scientific inquiry does not allow us that luxury; neither should Christian conscience."


Bibliography

§ Byington, Judy MSW, LCSW, ret. (2012)Twenty-Two Faces - Inside the Extraordinary Life of Jenny Hill and Her Twenty-Two Multiple PersonalitiesTate Publishing May, 2012 ISBN-13: 978-1620240328

§ Brown, Scheflin and Hammond (1998).Memory, Trauma Treatment, And the Law(W. W. Norton)ISBN 0-393-70254-5

§ Cook, C. (1991). Understanding ritual abuse: A study of thirty-three ritual abuse survivors.Treating Abuse Today, 1(4), 14-19.

§ Cozolino, L.J. (1989). “The ritual abuse of children: Implications for clinical practice and research.” Journal of Sex Research 26(1), 131-138.

§ Craighead, W. E.; Corsini, R.J.; Nemeroff, C. B. (2002)The Corsini Encyclopedia of Psychology and Behavioral SciencePublished by John Wiley and SonsISBN 0471270830-Sadistic Ritual Abuse (p. 1435 - 1438)

§ Epstein, O., Schwartz, J., Schwartz, R. (2011)Ritual Abuse and Mind Control: The Manipulation of Attachment NeedsKarnac Books. LondonISBN 1-85575-839-3Google Books Version

§ Gould, C. (1992) “Ritual abuse, multiplicity, and mind-control.” Special Issue: Satanic ritual abuse: The current state of knowledge.Journal of Psychology and Theology20(3):194-6

§ Hersha, C.; Hersha, L.; Griffis, D.; Schwarz, T (2001).Secret Weapons.Far Hills, NJ: New Horizon Press.ISBN 0-88282-196-2.

§ Hill, J.Believing RachelThe Journal of Psychohistory24 (2) Fall 1996 "Rachel's story is one of suffering, courage and hope. As a young child she was the victim of unspeakable crimes, but because she received therapy and the support of a loving family, she has emerged intact."

§ Johnston, Jerry (1989).The Edge of Evil - The Rise of Satanism in North America.Dallas: Word Publishing.ISBN 0-8499-0668-7.

§ Jonker, F and Jonker-Bakker, I. (1997). “Effects of Ritual Abuse: The results of three surveys in the Netherlands.”Child Abuse & Neglect21(6):541-556

§ Kent, S. (1994). “Diabolic Debates: A Reply to David Frankfurter and J. S. La Fontaine,”Religion24: 135-188.

§ Kent, S. (1993). “Deviant Scripturalism and Ritual Satanic Abuse Part One: Possible Judeo-Christian Influences”.Religion23(23):229-241.

§ Kent, S. (1993). “Deviant Scripturalism and Ritual Satanic Abuse. II: Possible Masonic, Mormon, Magick, and Pagan influences”.Religion23(4):355-367

§ Leavitt, F.Measuring the impact of media exposure and hospital treatment on patients alleging satanic ritual abuse.Treating Abuse Today8(4) 1998 pp. 7-13 "This study provides evidence that clients who report SRA exhibit a set of associations to SRA-related words that cannot be explained by exposure to the popular media or from inpatient treatment."

§ Miller, Alison (2011)Healing the Unimaginable: Treating Ritual Abuse and Mind ControlISBN 978 1 85575 882 7October 2011 Publisher: Karnac Books

§ Neswald, D., Gould, C., & Graham-Costain, V. (1991).Common programs observed in survivors of Satanic ritual abuse.The California Therapist, 3 (5), 47 50. "Increasingly, cases of Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) and Satanic Ritualistic Abuse (SRA) are being reported in the psychotherapeutic community. Though controversy concerning authenticity remains, such cases are slowly gaining in acceptability as a genuine social and psychopathological phenomenon. Concurrently, the etiological underpinnings and treatment demands of these special patients are being unraveled and understood as never before. As a result, it is becoming increasingly clear that perhaps the most demanding treatment aspects of such cases concern the problems posed by what is known as "cult programming."[5]

§ Noblitt, J.R.; Perskin, P. (2000).Cult and Ritual Abuse: Its History, Anthropology, and Recent Discovery in Contemporary Americap. 269, Greenwood Publishing Group.

§ Noblitt, R.; Perskin, P. (2008).Ritual abuse in the 21st centuryp. 552, Bandon, OR: Reed Publishers.

§ Pike, P.L.; Mohline, R.J.(Eds.).Ritual abuse and recovery: Survivors' personal accounts.Journal of Psychology and TheologySpring 1995 23 (1) p.45-55

§ Sachs, A. & Galton, G. (Eds) (2008).Forensic Aspects of Dissociative Identity DisorderLondon: Karnac. Chapters include discussions on ritual abuse, dissociative identity disorder, mind control, extreme abuse, survivor accounts and criminal convictions[6]

§ Scott, S. (2001).The politics and experience of ritual abuse: beyond disbelief.Open University Press.ISBN 0335204198.

§ Smith, Margaret. (1993).Ritual Abuse: What it is, why it happens, and how to help- HarperCollins

§ Waterman, Jill; Kelly, Robert J.;Oliveri, M. K.;and McCord, Jane (1993).Behind the Playground Walls - Sexual Abuse in Preschools. New York, London: The Guilford PressISBN 0-89862-523-8.

§ Young, Walter C., Sachs, Roberta G., Braun, Bennett G., and Watkins, R. T. (1993) “Patients reporting ritual abuse in childhood: A clinical syndrome. Report of 37 cases.”Child Abuse and Neglect15(3):181-9


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[Constance]

Same back at you.

Why are you willing to substitute one grand myth for another?

That’s your interpretation of what I’m doing based on your interpretation of what @Liminalist has been doing in his research and writing concerning Strieber. I think it’s obvious that Liminalist is not ‘constructing a myth’ but rather deconstructing one -- a particularly pernicious myth that has confused and damaged many vulnerable people living on this planet. His research and that of others enables us a) to recognize major contributing factors to the vulnerability of many people today to the constructions of the influential alien abduction mythology as shaped by Strieber, and b) to understand the likely sources of Strieber’s motivations (largely, I think, subconscious motivations) in a career of propagating his own delusional thinking, which is rooted in his own inchoate fears evidently instilled when he was a child according to statements made by Strieber himself.


You seem to misunderstand the scope and significance of Liminalist’s larger research project, which constitutes an investigation of the various techniques and purposes of mind manipulation and mind control that have produced a generation or two of humans vulnerable to frightening and debasing ideation, to feelings of powerlessness in the face of an unknown and overwhelming threat. It might be that your hero Vallee himself contributed significantly to this sense of powerlessness in the face of a mysterious and pervasive threat with his postulation of an unknown “control system” functioning through ‘paranormal’ channels into human consciousness.


Liminalist’s research is uncovering the sources of much of the psychological sickness that pervades contemporary Western life and culture, especially popular culture. Read the whole scope of it before you judge it and judge others who perceive its value.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

Like anybody's going to check out & read the 400 different references posted in the last couple messages.

 

[Honey-Pot]

America is certainly a breeding ground for a lot of abusive cults. Scientology and Heavens Gate and many other ET Alien related cults prove this to be real, and, of course, Vallee certainly warned these manipulative groups could be controlled by organized efforts from various occult [hidden] sources.

Child predators certainly exist, and it's true that many of these people have no control over their urges. Given the opportunity these people will take advantage of any situation to abuse when possible.

I think that is why schools are much more closely monitored for such people, and parents are more careful with "play dates" and who their children can come in contact with.

But, the Internet and cell phones now expose young children to sexual ideas and allow for porn, photos, and texting such expressions in ways that expose children to more potential sexual encounters than was possible just 10 years ago. The Dark Net allows for all kinds of criminal child predators to gather anonymously and learn how to commit such child abuse crimes from the keyboard anywhere in the world.

Strieber has not made any specific claims of childhood sexual abuse. We don't know how or why he was traumatized at the military base. Maybe it was just a very rigid and regimented military school with a very strict "Drill Sergeant" atmosphere like boot camp. It's certainly not uncommon for unruly or troubled boys to be sent away to "military school", and many of these children are rebels in personality and character that are targeted to be broken and conform or they get worse, perhaps, later in life.

Even @Liminalist doesn't claim to have specific memories of childhood sexual abuse, so I think it's impossible to build a case on that idea as being factual or even highly probable with Strieber's Communion related encounters or whatever you have in common with Strieber's experiences.

 

[Liminalist]

Like anybody's going to check out & read the 400 different references posted in the last couple messages.

Actually I think some people do actually care about what's happening, Creepy. Anyone who wants to carry on saying "no proof of SRA" can either put in the necessary time or back quietly down.

 

[Liminalist]

Strieber has not made any specific claims of childhood sexual abuse.

The Boy in the Box by Whitley Strieber Friday, March 14, 2003.

What follows are selected quotes from this piece:

I believe that, beginning after World War II, children began to be recruited for various experimental efforts to create 'perfect' spies, and to study the effects of the development of dual and multiple personalities in them.

The idea was that a child would be placed under intense pressure, abused both physically and emotionally, until, as a defense mechanism, the child developed a second personality that the first was not aware of. This second personality would then be used by the child's handlers in all sorts of ways. Some of these children were hypnotically triggered to recruit for CIA on their own when they came of age, and their hidden personalities were then activated and used by informed handlers.

. . .

...it's time for the intelligence community to face up to these abuses, and admit that children were ferociously victimized as well as adults, during and before MK-ULTRA.

I believe that pederasts became involved in these programs, and that they have woven a web of blackmail and intimidation through many areas of government and society in an effort to keep their secrets hidden.

. . .

And then, one night thereafter, another memory flashed into my mind. This memory was visual. In it, I am in the living room of a house with one of the teachers from the camp, a woman who I respected and trusted entirely. My relationship with her was very southern. I was raised in an archaic manner with a mammy, and was used to both obeying and controlling adult authority figures who were not my parents. I assumed that this same relationship existed with this woman, so I felt entirely safe and in control of the situation. I would obey her, but she would take me where I wanted to go and let me do as I wished, within limits that she would establish.

A man was there, who I believe was called Dr. Antonio Krause. I have been unable to find any trace of him. They gave me coffee out of a demi-tasse cup, richly sweet coffee. Then I noticed that my teacher was gone. I did not care for the man, who would not speak to me. I went to look for my teacher. I wanted to tell her that it was time for me to go home.

There followed an extraordinary shock. I went into a bedroom and found her tied hand and foot, with a gag in her mouth. Her eyes were terrible to see. A blast of absolute terror went through me. I saw that my control over this situation was false. I ran back into the living room. I demanded that the man take me home.

He stood between me and the front door, blocking my way. At this point, I can remember no more of this incident. I have been trying to do so for years, but there has never been another spontaneous blast like the one I have just described.

....

In another memory of this dark figure, I am at the house of a childhood friend. I have been stripped of my clothes and I?m terrified. It?s all wrong. Somebody dreadful is there. I run out of the house into the street, holding my clothes in front of me. My friend, a demonic smile on his face, follows. Hiding in the doorway is the dark figure.

...

My memories of what happened to me at Randolph are so horrific that I can scarcely credit them. I will not repeat the details here, because I cannot tell the degree to which they have been dramatized via the process described above. However, there are a few of those spontaneous, sudden glimpses that seem undistorted.

[end quote]

And so on.