Friedman on Ike and the 1955 alien meeting

[Kieran]

If Stanton Friedman believes in the Holloman meeting, it is surely because it fits in a chronology of other events supporting each other. Depending on the presentation, it should be easy to detect whether this is strictly a money making scheme or an honest effort to bring some light on a life-changing mystery

I Guess, if we look at the Chronology of important UFO Stories leading up to this alleged 1955 Meeting.
We have Roswell 1947. This would be First Contact from ET for some People. Finding Dead Creatures that were from another World, i guess is "Contact?

1952 UFOs over Washington and then the 1955 meeting with Nordic looking Aliens.

The US Government COVERS UP the Roswell Event.

1947-1952. This is a five year gap from Roswell to Washington.

The 1952 event Over Washington. Maybe after 1952. The United States had contact with Aliens. I doubt it!!! but thinking about it more. The 1952 event. These Objects were UFOs, and they flew Pass Washington. This most have sent some shock waves through the corridors of power? Maybe there was Contact after this? I just don't think the evidence is strong enough to form a solid Conclusion. I put it in my Grey basket for now!!

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

I Guess, if we look at the Chronology of important UFO Stories leading up to this alleged 1955 Meeting.
We have Roswell 1947. This would be First Contact from ET for some People. Finding Dead Creatures that were from another World, i guess is "Contact?

1952 UFOs over Washington and then the 1955 meeting with Nordic looking Aliens.

The US Government COVERS UP the Roswell Event.

1947-1952. This is a five year gap from Roswell to Washington.

The 1952 event Over Washington. Maybe after 1952. The United States had contact with Aliens. I doubt it!!! but thinking about it more. The 1952 event. These Objects were UFOs, and they flew Pass Washington. This most have sent some shock waves through the corridors of power? Maybe there was Contact after this? I just don't think the evidence is strong enough to form a solid Conclusion. I put it in my Grey basket for now!!

How about the so called Et might of made approaches to the Soviet Union not just the West and actually playing devil advocate with the two superpowers checking out there defenses for future confrontation animal mutilations seems to show this a possible event? Furthermore, author Timothy Good's book 'Above Top Secret ' suggest there was more than just the USA having official meetings with high commanding officers. To think USA president meeting ET does seem outlandish indeed risking the commander of the armed forces to meet face to face with the 'space brothers' who could be testing the waters for full blown invasion one day for human resources take away human delight rather think it would be more likely contact with Et? by lower officers (not the supreme commander), servicemen and the public in accidental situations.

 

[Kieran]

How about the so called Et might of made approaches to the Soviet Union not just the West and actually playing devil advocate with the two superpowers checking out there defenses for future confrontation animal mutilations seems to show this a possible event? Furthermore, author Timothy Good's book 'Above Top Secret ' suggest there was more than just the USA having official meetings with high commanding officers. To think USA president meeting ET does seem outlandish indeed risking the commander of the armed forces to meet face to face with the 'space brothers' who could be testing the waters for full blown invasion one day for human resources take away human delight rather think it would be more likely contact with Et? by lower officers (not the supreme commander), servicemen and the public in accidental situations.

I'm not aware of a Major UFO event over Moscow, that would be equivalent to the 1952 event over Washington? If Aliens met with Khrushchev, i would only be speculating,and nobody on this site would be privy to such information either way!!

You can not dismiss the 1952 Sightings over Washington as a weather anomaly. As Some people have!!! Why, because whatever that was? has not appeared since, and surely if it was anomaly associated with the Environment. It would have been seen in the past before 1952 and after, and Atmospheric and Environment anomalies do repeat themselves eventually!! So that leads me to believe what was seen were Real objects!!

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

I'm not aware of a Major UFO event over Moscow, that would be equivalent to the 1952 event over Washington? If Aliens met with Khrushchev, i would only be speculating,and nobody on this site would be privy to such information either way!!

You can not dismiss the 1952 Sightings over Washington as a weather anomaly. As Some people have!!! Why, because whatever that was? has not appeared since, and surely if it was anomaly associated with the Environment. It would have been seen in the past before 1952 and after, and Atmospheric and Environment anomalies do repeat themselves eventually!! So that leads me to believe what was seen were Real objects!!

Yes I agree we have to rely on common sense (I don't believe but think) , authors and ex-government witness , so called top secret documents which can be manipulated for ones own desire by the spooks for information in the West during the Cold War anything was possible and if Moscow had a similar event to Washington in 1952 it was kept from the so called free media in the West.

Furthermore,if Ike did have a luncheon with Et at a air force base and if this meeting did take place it shows that supreme military power was the object at which et saw as the humanity and USA culture forgetting the rest of the World different ethnic populations. Therefore as humans tend not to keep all there eggs in one basket. Et surely make sure it made visits to other nations at the same time don't you think?

 

[alzo]

To think USA president meeting ET does seem outlandish indeed risking the commander of the armed forces to meet face to face with the 'space brothers' who could be testing the waters for full blown invasion one day for human resources take away human delight rather think it would be more likely contact with Et? by lower officers (not the supreme commander), servicemen and the public in accidental situations.

Totally agree..

 

[Ron Collins]

Stan is deeply invested in the ETH and MJ12. Which means he is deeply invested in Ike knowing something. I can see that given his level of investment that he would see the possibility that Ike would meet with the ET's. Throw in the golf outing or the dentist appointment stuff and I think it is easy to read into it. Who knows He could be right. Of course he could be wrong. But, I dont think that if he is wrong it would take him down or otherwise invalidate all the things he has done to further the field. It would mean that he is wrong and fallible... and perhaps slightly eager to find something that would directly validate his working hypothesis.

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But Ike was different. He was a warrior and used to being in total control. Remember, this is a guy that played nuclear chicken with China to help end the war in Korea. If he said, "I'm gonna meet with those little fella's" then that is precisely what would have happened. I'm not saying it did just that you probably weren't going to talk him out of a decision he had already made. To send subordinate officers IS the soundest strategy in my opinion. But, the flip side is that, assuming the ETH, these guys can come to here from there and then say "take me to your leader" perhaps that demands an in person response?

 

[Trajanus]

Et surely make sure it made visits to other nations at the same time don't you think?

I doubt there were any meetings but in theory just meeting US leaders would've gone a long way, given the extent of US influence, and connections e.g. NATO.

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Stan is deeply invested in the ETH and MJ12. Which means he is deeply invested in Ike knowing something. I can see that given his level of investment that he would see the possibility that Ike would meet with the ET's. Throw in the golf outing or the dentist appointment stuff and I think it is easy to read into it. Who knows He could be right. Of course he could be wrong. But, I dont think that if he is wrong it would take him down or otherwise invalidate all the things he has done to further the field.

Right. Look how some of Randle's information fell apart when certain witnesses turned out to be phony. He's still a respected authority and author.

 

[Ezechiel]

To think USA president meeting ET does seem outlandish indeed risking the commander of the armed forces to meet face to face with the 'space brothers' who could be testing the waters for full blown invasion one day for human resources take away human delight rather think it would be more likely contact with Et? by lower officers (not the supreme commander), servicemen and the public in accidental situations.

Glad someone brought this up. Good point !

Extreme coercion (arm twisting) comes to mind... Fate of our specie at stake ? Don't forget that we are the ants here lol

 

[Trajanus]

We have Roswell 1947. This would be First Contact from ET for some People. Finding Dead Creatures that were from another World, i guess is "Contact?

Hardly, and a number of accounts do indeed mention only dead ETs. Even the being reportedly seen by Montoya, while alive, was barely so.

The 1952 event Over Washington. Maybe after 1952. The United States had contact with Aliens. I doubt it!!!

Rightfully...

but thinking about it more. The 1952 event. These Objects were UFOs, and they flew Pass Washington. This most have sent some shock waves through the corridors of power? Maybe there was Contact after this?

Doubtful. Relations didn't seem good--look what happened to Moncla.

 

[Ezechiel]

Moctezuma II ... Surely you know the story ?

Impatiently waiting for Art Campbells 1955 version

This is basically what this is all about. Nothing less.

 

[Trajanus]

Don't forget that we are the ants here lol

In a sense yes, but at least we have potential, which may explain why they're here maybe to nip us in the bud, surreptiously.

 

[Ezechiel]

In a sense yes, but at least we have potential, which may explain why they're here maybe to nip us in the bud, surreptiously.

Surreptitiously (I googled it lol): stealthily, furtively

They haven't nipped us in the bud (yet), so its either warn, extort, exploit, teach, dictate...

If I was the leader of the free world and fairly religious, a private meeting with God would be priority one.

Here's a quote from Wiki:

Eisenhower was baptized in the Presbyterian Church in 1953. In 1948, he had called himself "one of the most deeply religious men I know" though unattached to any "sect or organization".<SUP id=cite_ref-10 class=reference>[11]</SUP> Eisenhower was instrumental in the addition of the words "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954, and the 1956 adoption of "In God We Trust" as the motto of the United States, and its 1957 introduction on paper currency. In his retirement years, he was a member of the Gettysburg Presbyterian Church in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.


This is one facet of the issue no one has looked at yet .... Oh boy :

 

[Trajanus]

Surreptitiously (I googled it lol): stealthily, furtively

They haven't nipped us in the bud (yet), so its either warn, extort, exploit, teach, dictate...

A process of surreptitious nipping could take quite some time and still be ongoing.

Eisenhower was baptized in the Presbyterian Church in 1953. In 1948, he had called himself "one of the most deeply religious men I know" though unattached to any "sect or organization".<SUP>...</SUP> In his retirement years, he was a member of the Gettysburg Presbyterian Church

That might cast further doubt on the "meeting." You'd think it would alter one's views.

 

[Ezechiel]

A process of surreptitious nipping could take quite some time and still be ongoing.

That might cast further doubt on the "meeting." You'd think it would alter one's views.

.... I think the Holloman case just hit an iceberg lol

 

[Ron Collins]

You'd think it would alter one's views.

If you are truly devout, then it would not. It might even account for the manner in which the government has approached the subject since Ike.

 

[Ezechiel]

If you are truly devout, then it would not. It might even account for the manner in which the government has approached the subject since Ike.

Could you elaborate, I would appreciate.

Thanks in advance

 

[Ron Collins]

Could you elaborate, I would appreciate.

Thanks in advance

Well, let me preface this by saying this is thought experiment logic and by no way represents my actual feelings on the matter. What I meant is that IF Ike met with the "aliens" and it shook him up he may have retreated to the comfort of his religious dogma. He thought highly of himself and his fortitude. If he was shaken by this then he could very easily have projected that fear onto the American people and decided not to make it public. Like I said, I don't really buy it but it might be plausible.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Well, let me preface this by saying this is thought experiment logic and by no way represents my actual feelings on the matter. What I meant is that IF Ike met with the "aliens" and it shook him up he may have retreated to the comfort of his religious dogma. He thought highly of himself and his fortitude. If he was shaken by this then he could very easily have projected that fear onto the American people and decided not to make it public. Like I said, I don't really buy it but it might be plausible.

Surely the USA High Command would rather risk lower ranks and use special ops groups from there Intel resources OSS/CIA rather than send Ike who had many options of excellent Intel officers such Marcel or Col Corso ect as these individuals were already battle harden from WW2 and so called UFO or Et contact at Roswell due to indirect experiences or meeting at the Pentagon hub?

Furthermore, Ike being a excellent tactician would see his instant mistake in sending himself or second command and 'if' there was a one to one Et meeting don't you think the Soviets would of know with Cambridge Five and its KGB cells in Washington and Pentagon. The British counterparts would of been informed through its C Five double agent squealers who sent many brave and excellent WW2 SOE (MI6), OSS (CIA) agents to their deaths during the Cold War.

 

[Trajanus]

If you are truly devout, then it would not.

Depends on the individual. New information can wear down the faith of even hard core holy joes. Look at Bart Ehrman.

It might even account for the manner in which the government has approached the subject since Ike.

AFAIK policy was already set before then and hasn't changed.

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Well, let me preface this by saying this is thought experiment logic and by no way represents my actual feelings on the matter. What I meant is that IF Ike met with the "aliens" and it shook him up he may have retreated to the comfort of his religious dogma.

In other words he would've become visibly shaken at first and more religious. I'm not aware of any evidence for this.

If he was shaken by this then he could very easily have projected that fear onto the American people and decided not to make it public.

This decision had already been made at the start several years earlier.

 

[Xylo]

Ike and the aliens. It certainly has a ring to it.

I can't think of any situation in which this story is plausible. An impromptu meeting on a runway, nonetheless. It doesn't make sense. What purpose would the meeting serve?

If the "aliens" were/are highly sophisticated why would they need to confer with any particular head of state? To say "We're here and there's nothing you can do about it. So nanny-nanny boo boo!" They wouldn't need to say that at all. Having been a military man Ike would have no doubt as to the superiority of their technology.

An interesting article I found:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A53203-2004Feb18&notFound=truehttp://www.exopolitics.org/Wash-Post-Ike and ETs.htm

Interesting that an AP article about Ike's supposed death went out on that date (Feb 20, 1954) as well. All of this, in my humble opinion, is over Ike's disappearance from public eye on one evening. Of course the official story is that he went to the dentist to have a crown or cap repaired.

The pebble in my shoe concerning this is the involvement of William Cooper and Michael Salla in the story. Salla, it seems, hyped this story up quite a bit, and Cooper...well we all know about Cooper. (link) I don't trust anything that either one of them said or says. It seems that the only thing that supports that the meeting took place is hearsay.

See this paper for the supporting evidence... http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/eisenhower.html Notice all the prominent names...Cooper, Schneider, Corso, Salla...?

I don't see how Stanton Friedman puts himself in alignment with those individuals as far as saying that Eisenhower met with extra-terrestrial beings. I decline to do so. I may be 100% wrong, but I believe that the President went off duty for the evening and either went to the dentist or did something else...anything other than meeting with aliens from Betelgeuse.