gene and david's thoughts on The Clueless One?

[valiens]

I just wrote a long-ass response and erased it. Just pretend I wrote a long heartfelt bunch of words. Who cares, right? The end.

I'll just say 2 things:

1.) Look up: kundalini and kryas and suddenly I don't look like such a goof.

2.) "I don't feel like I will learn anything from you dancing to MJ with a Samurai sword with an EEG attached, or at least that it is the best route to investigate." That's cute but it isn't true. You're mixing up a movie trailer that is specifically geared to make me look like an idiot with the EEG footage, which is...sadly...not. So if you're going to say "but if the tables were turned and I showed you my website full of videos of me dancing in drag, would you be apt to believe I was being controlled by aliens or possessed to do it," is an example, what's it an example of? Of how you accidentally crunched two different videos--one a joke, the other serious--into one and that became the thing that turned you off?

3.) Make that three things - "I was a bit shocked by the contents of the website myself, or totally might be more exact." My mistake -- I do get this now. I wasn't placing emphasis on the word "totally." What website was so shocking, though?

 

[Miah]

I didn't spend a ton of time on your site, just enough to be confused and turned off.

This may be only a movie trailer: VALiens -

But is says:
"Writer The Clueless One is a normal man leading a normal life. There's just one thing: he's an alien abductee. And he's possessed.

So...two things.

After exploring past UFO sightings and abductions with friends and family, Jeremy treks from his New York apartment to Lyons Bald Mountain in Sonora, California.

There he meets another abductee, Mark Olson, who comes complete with a priest collar, pocket full of Ritz crackers, and a brother named "Jed." Mark and Jed claim to frequently videotape strange objects in the sky around the mountain. Jeremy claims that an unknown energy makes his body perform yoga and martial arts.

What'll happen when these combustible elements mix for the first time? What always happens: Tai Chi swordplay in an icy field alone. Yep, alone. Just Jeremy, a cameraman, and the entity that controls him when he sets his will aside and allows it to maneuver his body.

Confused? Of course you are. You are normal. This is not.

And this is real."

Sorry if I am misunderstanding something here, but I don't feel inclined to research further. Just liking MJ in general scares me off, dressing like him comes pretty close to drag in my book

 

[valiens]

Well I can't argue that!

I'll just say that I wasn't putting the movie out there as an example of why I should be studied. I actually made it with the doc "Crumb" in mind: a glimpse into the world of people you wouldn't want to be a day in your life but can't stop watching. Those are the types of stories I like. If yer gonna live an awkward life, might as well own it.

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

Miah, why don't you contribute something to the research community instead of just attacking those who do? Vaeni is being creative and making stuff, working in the field. What have you done?

 

[Miah]

Miah, why don't you contribute something to the research community instead of just attacking those who do? Vaeni is being creative and making stuff, working in the field. What have you done?

We were having a nice friendly conversation without you, no need for you to jump on me now. I was not attacking him, I was giving my honest POV.

What have I done? I wouldn't tell, not in it for glory or recognition.

 

[schticknz]

Just to throw in my few cents ... (New Zealand cents of course )

I only became aware of The Clueless One a few weeks back. I can't remember why I had became aware of him but thats beside the point.

Anyway to cut a long story short, I discovered that he had a podcast and as i'm somewhat of a podcast addict, I thought I would check it out. I downloaded one of his podcasts (again ... don't rememeber which particular one it was) but was a bit disappointed by the first few minutes. My hackles went up more and more as i listened to the beginning and I began to thought "uh-oh ... another "funny"/"wacky" person in the "hey I'm really funny" David Brent sort of vein(i :-D)"

(David Brent being from "The Office" ... the infinitely superior British version starting Ricky Jervais of course )

But I persevered and once the "funny" introduction ended I actually found myself enjoying the interview with whoever it was (it might have been the David Biedny interview ... which in my opinion was a bloody cracker i.e. very very good).

And after a few more podcasts, I am now a committed Vaeni-holic. What is great about his podcast is that it is completely uncensored, and in some ways a more adult discussion (yes including swear words) of the topics covered by The Paracast et al.

I'm not a great believer in all the kundalini stuff but I don't see how that detracts from the rest of his output. Sure maybe Vaeni is a bit eccentric but if i had been through what he and Jeff Ritzmann have been through, well. i think its perfectly understandable to be a bit psychologically scarred by such incidents ... i don't think someone would be human if they're weren't by these things ... (i'm not saying that Vaeni and Ritzmann are mad of course, I'm just saying it would be fairly understandable considering things ... oh you know what I mean ...)

Anyway, listen to his podcast. It's pretty damn good, and I think better than Tim Binnalls one, and it gives The Paracast a run for its money in some respects ... once you get past the goofy intro, of course

 

[Siani]

Has anyone considered that The Clueless One may poke fun at his own experiences as a form of light relief? Maybe it's how he deals with the bizarre events in his life. To me, that makes him seem more credible - many people deal with difficult situations through humour, which to others may seem a bit bizarre or unacceptable. I know a number of emergency service workers who face stressful situations on a regular basis, and frequently crack sick jokes which make light of serious, often life or death situations. It's their way of coping, of not falling apart. Just a thought ...

 

[BrandonD]

Has anyone considered that The Clueless One may poke fun at his own experiences as a form of light relief? Maybe it's how he deals with the bizarre events in his life.

Yeah I agree. If a person has been subject to bizarre ufo-related experiences and decides to go public with them, he has an idea of what's coming on the horizon. Nearly every ordinary person when joking about ufos and aliens, makes references to "anal probes". This was put forward as someone's factual and traumatic experience, and it is literally a joke to millions of people. That's almost equivalent to a girl coming forward and claiming to be raped, but the courts find inadequate proof to convict the defendant, so everyone in the country openly laughs and ridicules her.

So put yourself in an "alien contactee's" shoes. Your personal and often painful experiences are going to be the target of ridicule whether you like it or not, so really the only sane approach is not to take yourself so seriously.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Jeremy's ok! A bit eccentric, but yet ok!

One thing tho, you need to get the audio on your pods up to scratch. The two or three i have listened to have had levels that skyrocket up and down. Hopefully this has already been rectum fried and my observation is obsolete.

Anyway Rock out with yer cock out Jeremy!!!

 

[valiens]

Anyway Rock out with yer cock out Jeremy!!!

Always. And be sure to catch this thread in 3-6 months when I again ask, "So how did that turn out?" Just to see if anyone laughs the second time.

 

[Seth]

Anyway Rock out with yer cock out Jeremy!!!

n 3-6 months when I again ask, "So how did that turn out?" Just to see if anyone laughs the second time.

Mr Vaeni,
I tried to read into this and went back through your posts, but I am not sure what you directly mean by this. What are you predicting essentially?

Love Thoth and COC,
Seth

 

[valiens]

Anyway Rock out with yer cock out Jeremy!!!

n 3-6 months when I again ask, "So how did that turn out?" Just to see if anyone laughs the second time.

Mr Vaeni,
I tried to read into this and went back through your posts, but I am not sure what you directly mean by this. What are you predicting essentially?

Love Thoth and COC,
Seth

Sorry. I should have used the specific quote. I meant when I inevitably re-write: "Wait, so what happened with this, anything? Oh. never mind." -- in response to the post title.

 

[jritzmann]

(i'm not saying that Vaeni and Ritzmann are mad of course, I'm just saying it would be fairly understandable considering things ... oh you know what I mean ...)

Nah youre right, I'm completely insane. (but in a good way)

Jeremy has had some interesting things happen, but we're quite different in what we've seen and experienced...in fact it couldn't be more different. But we enjoy talking now and then, and Jer is a good guy with a good heart, and I do think he's genuine in what he talks about. Of course it has to be said that none of us may be perceiving the experience in it's core sense.

Nothing is what it seems...I'll stand by that one.

 

[Miah]

Of course it has to be said that none of us may be perceiving the experience in it's core sense.

Nothing is what it seems...I'll stand by that one.

That goes for the rest of us too (as discussed on last week's show). None of us know or are sure of wtf is reality.

 

[schticknz]

I have a new idea for a novel (see my other excessively short thread on this matter). It being a sequel to the one I'm writing at the moment (again see the other thread on this).

It follows on from the first one (see the word "sequel" above) ... and involves a ragbag team of (fairly) expert experiencers, abductees and paranormal truth-seekers who have to battle against a ... ragbag team of evil hucksters headed by a one armed Swiss farmer and generally have to save the universe. The team consists of:

(1) Mr Ritzmann: a guy who can travel several hundred miles in a matter of minutes for no apparent reason but only when he's 16
(2) Mr Vaeni: a guy who can do impossibly bad Michael Jackson impersonations and has been told in visions to "rock with his cock out" ... whatever that might mean.
(3) Mr Biedny: a guy who can get dental work done for small amounts of coinage in South American countries, does particulary bad George Noory impersonations (see Mr Vaeni, above) and is mysteriously quite good at using Photoshop.
(4) Mr Steinberg: a yoda like being who has an unheathly obsession with fruity computers and is possibly the most ancient being in the universe.

I intend that the book shall be called "Attack of the Cockoids"

(i shall now leave the room )

 

[mike]

Of course it has to be said that none of us may be perceiving the experience in it's core sense.

Nothing is what it seems...I'll stand by that one.

That goes for the rest of us too (as discussed on last week's show). None of us know or are sure of wtf is reality.

i think i may have found the answer, pls see my artificial intelligence theory thread.

Q: what is the sound of one hand clapping
A: it is, what it is, nothing more nothing less

its entirely possible ive had too much food for thought, and now have mental gas

 

[schticknz]

Of course it has to be said that none of us may be perceiving the experience in it's core sense.

Nothing is what it seems...I'll stand by that one.

That goes for the rest of us too (as discussed on last week's show). None of us know or are sure of wtf is reality.

i think i may have found the answer, pls see my artificial intelligence theory thread.

Q: what is the sound of one hand clapping
A: it is, what it is, nothing more nothing less

its entirely possible ive had too much food for thought, and now have mental gas

An answer to your question, "what is the sound of one hand clapping?" was answered many years ago by the Mary Whitehouse Experience comedy programme on the radio in the UK. The answer was and i paraphrase ... "the audience at a recording "Michael Barrymore's Saturday Night Out" ".

This may of course be extended to Friends, The Simpsons, Everybody Wants to Kick Raymonds Head in (or whatever it is ), Absolutely Fabulous and everything starring Dawn French.

However, I'm not entirely sure that this is the answer you were looking for.

In more metaphysical terms, "the sound of one hand clapping" is ... more of a sort of "swooossshhh" sound really than a actual physical clapping sound ... as Bertrand Russell once said

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Of course it has to be said that none of us may be perceiving the experience in it's core sense.

Nothing is what it seems...I'll stand by that one.

That goes for the rest of us too (as discussed on last week's show). None of us know or are sure of wtf is reality.

i think i may have found the answer, pls see my artificial intelligence theory thread.

Q: what is the sound of one hand clapping
A: it is, what it is, nothing more nothing less

its entirely possible ive had too much food for thought, and now have mental gas

An answer to your question, "what is the sound of one hand clapping?" was answered many years ago by the Mary Whitehouse Experience comedy programme on the radio in the UK. The answer was and i paraphrase ... "the audience at a recording "Michael Barrymore's Saturday Night Out" ".

This may of course be extended to Friends, The Simpsons, Everybody Wants to Kick Raymonds Head in (or whatever it is ), Absolutely Fabulous and everything starring Dawn French.

However, I'm not entirely sure that this is the answer you were looking for.

In more metaphysical terms, "the sound of one hand clapping" is ... more of a sort of "swooossshhh" sound really than a actual physical clapping sound ... as Bertrand Russell once said

Bill Hicks did a one handed clap at one of his shows. It sounded like a clap, only quieter. After doing it he said, "Fuck confucius".

 

[mike]

Con fus us say
man who go to bed with itchy bottom, wake up with smelly finger

 

[valiens]

(3) Mr Biedny: a guy who can get dental work done for small amounts of coinage in South American countries, does particulary bad George Noory impersonations (see Mr Vaeni, above) and is mysteriously quite good at using Photoshop.

I can neither confirm nor deny that "George Snoory" is played by anyone other than Snoory himself.


PS: Jeff, thanks for that.

I wonder if there are aliens (or cryptoterrestrials) and there are demons pretending to be aliens (cryptos). That would sure tie everything together nicely. Some abductee out there with a better link to these people than I ask 'em, huh?

Meanwhile, here's a random psychic episode or two. Last night I'm stepping off the train at a stop I rarely get off at and can't stop thinking, "You're going to bump into your sister to give her the gift certificate." I did, indeed, have a gift certificate for her to a store but there's absolutely nothing important about it so far as I can tell.

Can't stop the thought from scrolling through my mind. I come out the turn style and literally bump into my sister. (Yes, I gave her the gift certificate.)

I was thinking it was so random a premonition as to be absurd except then I remembered a few days ago I was supposed to visit a couple of friends who are working on an art piece with this guy named Thoth. (You may know him as the subject of an Oscar-winning short doc. from last year.) They wanted to show me what they'd done so far but I no-showed. Next day, I'm waiting for a train at yet another station and as it pulls in, Thoth zips by me. (I've never met the guy and probably wouldn't have recognized him except he's got THOTH written in big letters across his guitar case.)

Anyone else experiencing synchronistic technical difficulties lately or is it just me? I know it's only 2 occurrences but given that that's up from zero and happened in the span of a week, thought I might ask.