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Grant Cameron
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I enjoyed the show, but i gotta say at one point i had to ask myself is Gene a disinfo agent
It seemed like everytime Grant tried to expand on the canadian document , Gene would cut him off and try and steer the conversation away from this info.
Imo what he was trying to tell us, was perhaps the most significant part of his presentation
It seemed like everytime Grant tried to expand on the canadian document , Gene would cut him off and try and steer the conversation away from this info.
Imo what he was trying to tell us, was perhaps the most significant part of his presentation
Actually I was trying to focus on the multiple crash/retrieval matter that he kept avoiding except in passing.
Angel of Ioren
Friendly Skeptic
I loved Gene's reply when Grant says Roswell must have been an alien and it wasn't a test aircraft because there was no evidence. But saying that it was alien is okay without evidence...
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
I'm only halfway through this one and I'm still caught by the phony/real MJ12 charade again. I thought this had fallen into disrepute with everyone except Freidman? But here we are publishing the value of forgery. My 'A-ha' moment was in realizing that if you never want have to answer to past truth in the future then spread as much fiction as you can about all that is real and unreal. Ths way history can remain obscured through obfuscation.
What is worse I wonder: faked UFO photos (all the good ones are), gov't deception and disinformation or Ufological fabrication and disinformation? Together, this evil cabal have left so many of us disillusioned and disenchanted that really, you might as well take sides with skeptics and debunkers as they make more concrete sense more often.
Grant wanted to get at core truth, but the core is diseased and filled with vermin. There is nothing but a rotten core. Well, that, and some very tantalizing stories.
What is worse I wonder: faked UFO photos (all the good ones are), gov't deception and disinformation or Ufological fabrication and disinformation? Together, this evil cabal have left so many of us disillusioned and disenchanted that really, you might as well take sides with skeptics and debunkers as they make more concrete sense more often.
Grant wanted to get at core truth, but the core is diseased and filled with vermin. There is nothing but a rotten core. Well, that, and some very tantalizing stories.
No worries Gene, perception and reality dont always match
Heres the details of the memo's for those wanting to look into them
Top Secret Memo Text | Presidential UFO
Top Secret Memo Draft | Presidential UFO
Ezechiel
Paranormal Adept
The Reagan/Speilberg exchange is interesting (close encounter). IMHO, Reagan was making a joke... But then I remembered that Nancy Reagan was a big fan of the occult and many think that she may even have shaped some of his decisions (oh boy). And then I remembered his speech at the U.N. about how humans would unite under the threat of alien invasion... Fishy.
If part of the UFO phenomenon is really alien visitation and there are relations and exchanges with humans, is anything beyond a slave/master situation possible ? My bet is that if they can make it here they don't need anything... Or maybe 'unobtainium' ? Then again who is qualified to evaluate the needs of advanced races...
If more means better then we may be living on a planet of slaves ? That would the most devastating secret to keep. The effect on the psyche of knowing that no matter how hard you tried you could never overtake your master due to overwhelming advancement.
If part of the UFO phenomenon is really alien visitation and there are relations and exchanges with humans, is anything beyond a slave/master situation possible ? My bet is that if they can make it here they don't need anything... Or maybe 'unobtainium' ? Then again who is qualified to evaluate the needs of advanced races...
If more means better then we may be living on a planet of slaves ? That would the most devastating secret to keep. The effect on the psyche of knowing that no matter how hard you tried you could never overtake your master due to overwhelming advancement.
King Cheetah
Paranormal Novice
I was iffy about Cameron at first, but had to punch out at his PASSIONATE defense of Greer.
Seriously, he has ZERO credibility if that is a window into his thought processes.
Seriously, he has ZERO credibility if that is a window into his thought processes.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
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RenaissanceLady
Paranormal Adept
OK, I've made it about two-thirds of the way through this program (by skipping through the commercials) and I feel as though I need to gasp for air. His talking is like machine gun fire. I wish I could have asked him how he was able to talk for so long without breathing. I find this to be better proof that there are living aliens who walk among us than any of his talk about Roswell. If he had any solid information, it was lost on me due to the delivery.
I think I'm going to grab a brandy and lie down.
I think I'm going to grab a brandy and lie down.
Polterwurst
Paranormal Adept
Actually I think he said "Rosvellt". At last! We have a new crash case!
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
Yeah, I kept hearing him mispronounce that infamous piece of Ufological history over and over again. I was good with his rapid paced dialogue as you could tell both his passion for the subject matter and what specific points he hangs his conviction on.
However, what Cameron proves to me without question is how when you have enough material to search through, be it the Bible, the Talmud, the Koran or 3-5,000 pages of corrupted and verified gov't documents you can basically spin any story you want and make whatever claims you want.
I know that a great number of people in Ufology stake their claims and careers on interpretations of FOIA, MJ-12 plus the odd, unconfirmed individual statements from the Lazar's and the Wilbur Smith's but these all strike me as the constructions of a loose fitting collage of breadcrumbs as opposed to factual historical renderings.
Cameron spins great tales, but when you have thousands upon thousands of miscl. material I think you could probably prove that Roswell, or Roweld, actually was Jesus Christ's botched second coming if you wanted to. I don't see well researched history here, just a connecting of selected dots.
However, what Cameron proves to me without question is how when you have enough material to search through, be it the Bible, the Talmud, the Koran or 3-5,000 pages of corrupted and verified gov't documents you can basically spin any story you want and make whatever claims you want.
I know that a great number of people in Ufology stake their claims and careers on interpretations of FOIA, MJ-12 plus the odd, unconfirmed individual statements from the Lazar's and the Wilbur Smith's but these all strike me as the constructions of a loose fitting collage of breadcrumbs as opposed to factual historical renderings.
Cameron spins great tales, but when you have thousands upon thousands of miscl. material I think you could probably prove that Roswell, or Roweld, actually was Jesus Christ's botched second coming if you wanted to. I don't see well researched history here, just a connecting of selected dots.
aldo poe
Paranormal Novice
I understand that mr Cameron was vague about a lot info but I guess I'm curious why he's is torn apart by you guys in a sense and rosemary is defended with what I thought did not have a bit of actual proof about the whole djinn subject with all do respect to her and her book
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
Although I got the feeling Rosemary may have personally believed some rather contentious things, in the absence of a more objective language to describe the phenomena, it's understandable that she expresses her ideas using the traditional jargon. Not everyone is as analytical as Chris or I or some other researchers when it comes to expressing such ideas in a more modern and objective manner. That being said, my original commentary on Rosemary's interview still stands, and I wouldn't exactly all it a "defense" of her views. In contrast I thought Cameron was going to be better than he was and if I ever get the chance to come back on the show, I'm going to take a hint and try to keep it more relaxed. It's a bit of a shame because I think that both Guiley and Cameron deserve more credit than they're given for their dedication and passion toward the subjects they study.
red_pill_junkie
Paranormal Adept
Like trying to ask a fire hose for a glass of water!
I love Grant, I'm in awe of his vast memory and how he manages to retain all those names & dates. But I've said it on other forums, and I'll say it again: I want to learn what brand of coffee he buys, so I can get some!!
red_pill_junkie
Paranormal Adept
I think Cameron's point —and it's a good one IMO— is that the amount of MJ papers that have surfaced shows that they couldn't be forged by one single person (Bill Moore). And if you have more than one person, then by default you have yourself a conspiracy. So his focus has been to snoop around & ask Qui Bono? who gets benefit with the disinformation & why.
withoutlimits09
Paranormal Adept
I too like this point, the sheer amount of documents that came pouring out during this era shows a concerted effort to produce and distribute the documents. This wasn't a lone man and a crude type writer.