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I have spent months, intermitingly, listening to the Paracast and am shocked at the amount of huckters and frauds in this field. No wonder very few people believe in experiencers/contactees/UFO's. It also makes anyone who is seeking help in their journey, even more scared, because we are faced with trying to find somewhere real to help us with our crumbled wall of denial. What books can I read, where is a safe place I can turm for support. This area seems to be mostly a den of thieves.

I am absolutely thrilled that the Paracast exposes these con men/women and would suggest the hosts list these people in a "Hall of Shame". The benefits of this list would be a far reaching. Isn't that what I have heard as the underlining desire of the hosts? Wouldn't this also assist in cleaning up the field?

I count myself very lucky that I ran across this show. It has given me a small anchor in my jouney with all these overwhelming but alternating waves of acceptance and denial.

Thanks guys.
 
The whole subject of paranormal, UFOs and weirdness is a magnet for hoaxers and mischief makers. At least a quarter of fans have their metaphorical asses waving in the air and asking for trouble.

UFOWatchdog have a good place to start if you want a list... http://www.ufowatchdog.com/shame.html

It hasn't been updated for a while so you could add every Exopolitics supporter and most speakers at the X-Conferences.

Off the top of my head, I'd add Lloyd Pye, Wayne Herschel, Zek Sitchin, Jaime Maussan, Cliff Stone and one of the Puerto Rico MUFON guys (glowing green blood?).
 
Problem is that anyone can call themselves a ufologist. There is no criteria, no degree to obtain or anything like that. Also, when it comes to the internet being a fraud who tells sensational and fictional stories is the best thing you can be. Search any p2p application and you'll see that ridiculous stories from showmen like David Icke and Milton William Cooper are very popular while serious efforts like UFOs Over Earth from MUFON and the Discovery Channel are overwhelmingly ignored. Heck, just check a torrent site and you'll see that the more absurd the UFO claim is the more the torrent will be seeded. Sadly enough, charlatans are turning profits on the UFO subject. It is the careful and serious researchers who are starving.

Seems that anyone can be a professional debunker as well. Time and time again news outlets and documentary filmmakers trot out so-called "experts" to debunk UFO cases. That these people have often never interviewed a single UFO witness nor even read a single UFO publication doesn't seem to matter. Not only are these people ignorant of the UFO topic that they've been summoned to speak about but they also seem to have overlooked all the advances in physics in the past couple decades. Astronomers are especially guilty of this. These people rattle on and on about it being impossible to get here from there while those in the physics world keep upping the ante to such a degree that even space travel between stars seems like no huge deal.
 
Thanks for the information everyone. It is sad that this area is so full of people like this. Is there that much money involved? I hung around with Budd Hopkins and his group for a few years and it was obvious he wasn't getting rich from this. (been to his home four or five times)

As far as the Discovery Channel being a serious supporter, I don't believe that. Budd asked me to talk to some independant producer - years ago- for that channel, or maybe it was the Sci Fi channel who was doing a show on abductions and (for Budd) I was interviewed in shadow about my experience in the desert- (where four of us had a close encounter with lost time)...and we waited and waited for the show to be aired, but this producer told me the show was edited first as the music etc. was too scary, then the network censors had them change it .....and finally some executive had them cut my part (as well as anyone believeable).

Gene you know Budd - you can check this story. If you do, tell him I had tried to reach him, but his answering machine was full. Tell him I am sorry for avoiding him for so long, but I was not ready to deal with all this.

By the way, does anyone know of any good books for people dealing with PTSD and other abduction related problems?
 
Gene Steinberg said:
I understand on good authority that UFO Watchdog will get some major updates in the near future. :)
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Hmmm ... what could you mean??? ... hmmmm?? etc etc etc :D.

I shall indeed look forward to these future updates with great gusto :p

[Just a quick thought: can you have an entire website dedicated to just Bill Knell's misdeeds, one wonders, without taking down the entire internet and using up the entire planets bandwidth??? :D]
 
GDT:

"As far as the Discovery Channel being a serious supporter, I don't believe that."

That's not really what I meant. Some UFO docs on that network have been good and some bad. I was simply saying that I felt that UFOs Over Earth in particular was a quite serious program.
 
I dont know....................

I really dont, he could be just an attention seeker, telling tales for personal gratification.
For me the red flag is he comes across as having waaaaay to many "answers" in a genre that frankly has sweet bugger all.
For me when someone says "i know" what this is/they are etc etc that sets my BS meter bleeping.

But, i wonder if in this case its a coping mechanism on Poseys part, perhaps something did happen to him when he was younger, and its necessary for him to "have answers" in order to cope.
As long as he believes those "answers" are the truth, he's got a semblance of personal control over a scenario, (where if real, and truth be told) that he/we have none whatsoever.

To "not know" whats going on, is to be sitting in a pitch black room waiting for TSTHTF, thats hard to take for some people, and so they will grasp at anything that might help make sense of whats happening to them.

Again I dont know, i'm just guessing here.

I would hope he can continue to feel welcome here, but understanding the audience here expects high standards of proof, people should be free to tell their stories imo. but unless there is proof, they will likely be treates as just that, interesting stories, not "answers" about the UFO question we are all looking for.
 
I personally don't have a problem with Posey being here but as you say "the audience here expects high standards of proof" and I am one of them.. I guess I take exception to high levels of BS and my BS alarm has been going off for some time now like Pixels has from what I can tell.

all I am saying is that it gets to a point that the benefit of the doubt turns into complete doubt if you know what I mean.

There are posters here like yourself Mike that I respect and trust implicitly as you have shown yourself to be trust worthy. So as I have said before the currency of this field is trust and to be taken seriously one must act as such at all times or admit they got it wrong.
Anyway I am ranting.
 
I do, as i said my own BS alarm goes off whenever some one posts definative answers

when someone posts a definative answer as a fact like

They are abundant through out the universe and just as we designed the shapes of our aircraft after birds, and our submarines mimic the sleek forms of our sea life, alien cultures have use the forms of these creatures to design their craft.
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And the source is

I was awakened one night by what I use to call my Voice, or sometime just "The Voice."
I have now come to call her my Muse for yes, at times she has sang to me and once has actually saved my life with a song but that is a story for another time.
Hers is my Muse is the voice of a woman I met during my first conscious abduction when I was six years old.
I have not seen her since then but she has spoken and still speaks to me in my mind from time to time.
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People here quite naturally start thinking blossom goodchild, Im not saying the "voice" isnt real, but its unlikely to count as proof of anything for most people here.

For the most part the debates and discussions here revolve around hypothesis, its rare someone will state "this is what this is", and coupled with "the voice" in my head told me.......

I'm actually surprised its taken this particular audience as long as it has to say something about this.

Personally i have no problem with Posey posting his "experiences", but anyone who posts definative answers here, has to understand the audience will challenge those assertions.
 
"I'm actually surprised its taken this particular audience as long as it has to say something about this."

lol that's for sure. I guess people (myself included) were giving the benefit of the doubt.
 
mike said:
I dont know....................

I really dont, he could be just an attention seeker, telling tales for personal gratification.
For me the red flag is he comes across as having waaaaay to many "answers" in a genre that frankly has sweet bugger all.
For me when someone says "i know" what this is/they are etc etc that sets my BS meter bleeping.

But, i wonder if in this case its a coping mechanism on Poseys part, perhaps something did happen to him when he was younger, and its necessary for him to "have answers" in order to cope.
As long as he believes those "answers" are the truth, he's got a semblance of personal control over a scenario, (where if real, and truth be told) that he/we have none whatsoever.

She taped every session, as did Phil Lord I did not mind this as I was looking for answers and thinking maybe they could give them to me.
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To "not know" whats going on, is to be sitting in a pitch black room waiting for TSTHTF, thats hard to take for some people, and so they will grasp at anything that might help make sense of whats happening to them.

Hell I am now sixty plus years old and can't sleep in a darkened room.
I hate being scared shitless because I hear a bump in the next room or see or hear something out side my bedroom door or at my window.
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Again I dont know, i'm just guessing here.

I would hope he can continue to feel welcome here, but understanding the audience here expects high standards of proof, people should be free to tell their stories imo. but unless there is proof, they will likely be treates as just that, interesting stories, not "answers" about the UFO question we are all looking for.
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Well, i dont know if Posey read this before his last posting, but i seem to have had a few hits

I hope you dont feel picked on Posey, i'm offering my honest observations in the hope it resonates with you and is helpful
 
I don't get the impression Posey is after fame or money. To be honest, some of his stuff is so far out there compared with some other difficult to believe stuff (politically correct sentence!) that I think it is not the effort of someone seeking to mislead from the start. Nor do I think Posey is a classic attention seeker.
It is troubling that he seems to be convinced of things no-one else it but in a way that makes me think all the more it is not a deliberate attempt to make up stories. They fail badly if that is the aim.
A guest on the paracast that I could not believe from the very start is David Huggins. I am perplexed as to why Jim Moseley seems to have gotten behind that case, when his opinions on more established topics and cases has changed drastically over the years. There is not one piece of evidence that Huggins' tales are true.
I noticed the hosts were having difficulty with his admission that he never thought of questioning his alien 'friends'. Yes, some kind of mind control could have been excercised but I find it more likely that just as you feel yourself in a non-lucid dream, you are not actually making decisions moment to moment in a dream. You are not aware at the time to be able to question what is going on around and to you.
I find it plausible that some people can enter states that resemble dreams but may happen outwith sleeping. Possibly Huggins is one of those people and over the years this reoccuring 'dream' has returned and been updated, all the while Huggins thinking this is really happening because to him at the time, that is exactly what it felt like.

The sexual aspect of these encounters sound very much like a normal sexual dream but occuring within one of these alternate 'dreaming' states.
Posey could fall into this category too.
There may be no deliberate lying or attempt to mislead, but 'real' events over the years that the 'experiencer' tries to make sense of. In a way, I think it takes a lot of courage to publicly reveal all these really strange experiences. If people are ridiculed for saying they saw a UFO, then for what Huggins and Posey are saying - ridicule would not cover it!

Posey at least is aware that his stories are very hard to accept -even for people who already believe abductions and ecounters with aliens etc actually happen.

I don't think I am the only member who is wary of attacking Posey as an outright fraud because I really don't get that sense from him. I could be wrong but I am convinced he believes these experiences really happened to him. I think his only motivation is to allow people to hear his tales and to decide themselves if they happened or not. I don't feel he is pushing it too much in an effort to make money or get attention.

On another subject, David Biedny revealed his Caracas UFO sighting, which had many witnesses. He related the time a friend was with him when the saw a female ghost of some type in broad daylight. David also said that he had a few other experiences that he was not going to share on the Paracast. I believe one involved a very close-up UFO sighting.
Does anyone have any info on the experiences that David did NOT reveal on the show?

It must be pointed out that really, David had no more evidence of these experiences that the rest of us could examine, than many of the shows guests experiences. Granted, David did not try to force belief in these encounters down anyones throats but he often called certain cases out as outright frauds when he had no more proof himself?

Unless all these encounters have an extreme paranormal aspect to them that actively hides them from non-experiencers, then I find it hard to believe that the many, many encounters related by Huggins and Posey were never seen by any other person. How does the event almost seem to ensure no-one else can see it happening so they can provide corroborating evidence?

I was listening to C2C interviewing Travis Walton. I find that case very compelling. If that case is indeed true, then we can accept that both 'grey'-type aliens do exist, as do human 'nordic' types. If that is true, then the existence of a seperate human race that on the outside at least, are pretty much identical to us, is a conundrum of the highest order.
Despite the beauty of nature to make complex things, I find it inconceivable that 2 totally seperate human races could have evolved on different planets but still have the same digits, limbs, facial features, hair etc basically all the things that make us us.
So I have to think the 2 human races are linked. If the other race came first, then after arriving on this planet, they either deposited some of their number to exist and evolve on this planet on their own. Or the DNA of a lower primate was tweaked to engineer humans (very Sitchin, granted).
There can be no doubt that we share most of our DNA with the other animal species on this planet and if so, does this other alien-human race have these animals where they are from?

I suppose they could be time-travellers, or a breakaway part of our race from antiquity who live hidden from us most of the time.
There has to be a link in that either we come from where they do, or they come from where we do, or copying of genes was done to engineer another human race.

I kind of like the Star Trek theory that a very long time ago, an original 'human' race spread through the galaxy seeding human-like races all over the place. It is what we will do if we get to that stage.
 
Now this I find fascinating:

"I was listening to C2C interviewing Travis Walton. I find that case very compelling. If that case is indeed true, then we can accept that both 'grey'-type aliens do exist, as do human 'nordic' types. If that is true, then the existence of a separate human race that on the outside at least, are pretty much identical to us, is a conundrum of the highest order.
Despite the beauty of nature to make complex things, I find it inconceivable that 2 totally separate human races could have evolved on different planets but still have the same digits, limbs, facial features, hair etc basically all the things that make us us.
So I have to think the 2 human races are linked. If the other race came first, then after arriving on this planet, they either deposited some of their number to exist and evolve on this planet on their own. Or the DNA of a lower primate was tweaked to engineer humans (very Sitchin, granted).
There can be no doubt that we share most of our DNA with the other animal species on this planet and if so, does this other alien-human race have these animals where they are from?"

I would think maybe it would make more sense that both "race" types came from here to start with as there is very clear evidence that or species evolved here with ancestral traits and DNA stretching back Milena. But say we are the result of some genetic hybrid in what way could we gather evidence of this I wounder?

anyway I propose we move this thread of thought to its own place and not here in the hall of shame.
 
Does anyone else find that Bill Knell and William H Kennedy sound like the same person? I was listening to a podcast with Kennedy and he sounded a lot like Knell with the wheezy nasally voice and even told the same Jackie Gleason story.
 
I happened to catch some of the God, man and e.t. conference with Hoagland on youtube. It's a few years old but wow. Hoagland is a jack ass! He kept slinging crap and Hugh Ross who is a Canadian Astronomer kept trying to bring him back to the "science" of what he was saying. Hoagy then got red in the face and yelled about Ross being so "damn sure" of everything. The really funny part is this. Ross is very much an evangelical Christian but he is also a very good and well read in his field. Hoagland is the one who sounded like a fanatic. His arrogance just knows no bounds. Also, he keeps billing (or letting the programs bill him) as a "science advisor." Yet, I've never heard which science he has a degree or a career in. Not saying he doesn't, I've just never heard if he has.
 
Now, I don't care if you have a Degree or not when it comes to eye witness testimony and personal experience. But, when you claim a title such as scientist or doctor or engineer then you at least should have the background and credentials to back it up.
 
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