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Heaven's Gate and Hale-Bopp

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Bell didn't have to call his show anything, but a show. That's what it was. That's what it is under Noory. That's what the Paracast is and that's what Dark Matters is. However people want to run a show is how a show is run.

It's the responsibility of a listener, reader and/or viewer of media to process the information they consume from a show (even inaccurate information is still information). They can choose to vet that information for its believability, they can choose not to care, or they can choose to accept everything to which they're exposed. The first two types of people are normal, adult human beings. The last group are the ones who are sometimes more open to the idea of killing themselves with corn-syrup beverages. No matter how much a host or a producer of a show vet information before its release, they have no control over how that information is processed once it's live.

Art Bell didn't invent stupid people, nor did he invent catering to the lowest common denominator.

That said, there's no real reason to believe that Art, himself, didn't believe what he was being told in those cases. Art Bell isn't a journalist, he was the host of a paranormal themed talk-show that aired on AM radio at midnight. Anyone tuning into something like that for "news" has probably got one foot in the Nikes, already. Regardless, if Bell believed his guests, he believed his guests. People don't make a choice to believe things. There is a choice that can be made regarding whether or not one wishes to vet information they are given; but, if one already believes what they've been told (a somewhat psychologically hardwired condition, depending), then the notion of vetting might not even cross their mind. As Bell had no ethical or professional responsibility to deliver truth to the masses, he had no ethical or professional responsibility to override his instinct to believe something that he was told that validated some of his other ideas and beliefs.

Placing any blame on Bell, Streiber, or any of the other goofballs mentioned in the article is silly. A decent number of adults murdered themselves because they believed in something. Art Bell didn't tell them to believe that something. It's not Art Bell's responsibility to tell people what to believe -- nor is it Don Ecker's. Those adult people believed something because that's how their brains worked. Nobody could have walked into that house, laid down some science, and ended a bad time.

It's human nature to believe information that validates those things in which one already believes. There are many, many published papers on the phenomenon. Even if Bell had exposed the truth, those who are compelled to believe would find a way to believe. Art Bell would just become part of a "them," who work to cause harm to or mislead the "us." It's a very difficult thing to do, in some cases, to override the part of the brain that wants to believe information that vindicates a preexisting bias. It's not a very common practice. Rarer is the practice of taking it a step further and seeking out and objectively processing further information from non-biased or strictly fact-based sources that disagrees with that bias. If people aren't murdering themselves over UFO comets, they're murdering themselves over Jesus, Allah, and a host of other goofy sh*t. Belief is a powerful thing. It's part of the collective human experience.

You've all unknowingly put nuts on the air at one time or another, because you believed what was being said or just thought it sounded interesting. It's really not a big deal.
 
You've all unknowingly put nuts on the air at one time or another, because you believed what was being said or just thought it sounded interesting. It's really not a big deal.

Moi? Never! Er... not that I know of nearly any particular.... oh wait ....:D

But so have you, I would guess, probably not because something sounded interesting but because it sounded reasonable (which often but not at all necessarily means it's going to turn out to be the truth). And probably because you believed it in a more scientific kind of way (but science has made one or two mistakes in the past 200 years, I guess). ;)

But of course you're right about the question of guilt. The Heaven's Gate members probably would have found some other "reason" to do it, sooner or later, no matter how many or few influences they may have had or not.

I guess we can't even blame Ed Dames. But what he is doing isn't exactly harmless either. He probably would have invented the "art" of doomsaying prophecies if it hadn't been around for a couple of hundred thousand years. Telling people that they are probably going to lose everything and everyone "any day now" (I guess the event is overdue now, at least the grasses should already be dying all over the planet, as I heard him predict on another show) might influence some people in a really bad way. I can understand anyone who'd like to call him a #?=!#_=* for that.
 
We(I) can't blame Ed Dames for all of it really (grrr), seems I have some anger issues. My problem is with people selling these 'proven' wisdom formulas to people that are either too dumb or need something to keep them going. After Heaven's Gate, he should hide in shame.
But no.
 
I didn't have the stamina to read all of Don's post but I know from listening to Don's podcasts how good he is at separating out the sh** from the candy. I certainly recall the incidents in question. One point of trivia in this tragic mess is that Applewhite had been voluntarily castrated as part of his cosmic devotion to the cause--whatever the heck the cause was. IMO this spells C-R-A-Z-Y. Zealous cults are always teetering on the edge and it doesn't take squat to push them over.
 
Is DMR a show? Well, yes, of course it is. My purpose in broadcasting is twofold. First, I enjoy it a great deal because of the challenge of it and the topics are something that I find fascinating. (And anyway, been doing it for quite a while.) Next, I was a journalist. Did that for over 20 years. (and that is not to mention I was an investigator.) I do vet, as a rule, those who I bring on DMR. I can't speak for any other show or host except for myself on how they conduct their programs. That is not to say that I can't comment on something ... like the Art Bell shows dealing with the Hale-Bopp comet and what ensued.

I have also been a very long time listener to radio and I have my own ideas on what I hear. My angle has always been to use the techniques in radio like when I was a criminal investigator trying to dig out information on a case that I was investigating. You've no doubt heard the old homily that you attract more flies using honey than using vinegar. My MO has always pretty much been being a gracious host and friendly to my guests, and in real life that is how I am usually. However when I suspect or know someone is bull shitting me I change. Anyway that is how I usually conduct DMR and as a rule if someone is trying to BS me, they know when I've got them. I have a fairly large audience base, I think I know what they expect of me when they listen and ... this is the really important part ... they know I respect them and will not knowingly ever bring on a known fraud or BSer which would be disrespectful to my audience.

So, that is how I operate ... and it is pretty much my game-plan when I am on the air. It is of course then up to the audience on how they feel about the broadcast once they hear it.

Decker
 
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