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[mike]

i agree with you on a number of points, however what site you choose to publish the "secret" will mean sweet bugger all to those in the area who's town might get swamped by rubbernecking tourists.
if you tunnel down the result is the same at "ground zero" regardless of where you let the cat out of the bag.
Please extrapolate all the possible ramifications first.

the locals know that Mr Phillips has been investigating, they know he's been doing the rounds of the talk shows, and its he who will bear the brunt of any fallout this creates.
further he may decide not to come on this show ever again, since despite efforts on his part to honour the deal done re privacy, someone here, using his interview as a catalyst decides to "out" the township and its citizens.

now it was mentioned that the property held valuable livestock, and had security including firearms, and i agree zandroid could have reconveyed that data in a manner that could not be interpreted as a threat (as ive just done)

but Mr Phillips as is his policy gave these witnesses the choice of being anonymous, and thats the path they chose, it really is not fair to trample on that choice, on those people's privacy, simply because someone on an internet forum said things you object to.

if you choose to react in this way , it seems to me that you are just punishing the innocent bystanders, and not the person who has actually offended you.

survival has programmed us to react first, then think later. but we are no longer in the jungle, and if the privacy of your home isnt a place of suffient security to allow you the leisure to think first then react, then i dont know where else you'll find it.

its simplistic i know but sometimes it helps to look at what we do and ask our selves does this come with a "sense" of creation (and You know the wonder of that moment all too well) or a sense of destruction......

ive always found that to trend towards creation in all things is more satisfying

 

[Tommy Allison]

i agree with you on a number of points, however what site you choose to publish the "secret" will mean sweet bugger all to those in the area who's town might get swamped by rubbernecking tourists.
if you tunnel down the result is the same at "ground zero" regardless of where you let the cat out of the bag.
Please extrapolate all the possible ramifications first.

the locals know that Mr Phillips has been investigating, they know he's been doing the rounds of the talk shows, and its he who will bear the brunt of any fallout this creates.
further he may decide not to come on this show ever again, since despite efforts on his part to honour the deal done re privacy, someone here, using his interview as a catalyst decides to "out" the township and its citizens.

now it was mentioned that the property held valuable livestock, and had security including firearms, and i agree zandroid could have reconveyed that data in a manner that could not be interpreted as a threat (as ive just done)

but Mr Phillips as is his policy gave these witnesses the choice of being anonymous, and thats the path they chose, it really is not fair to trample on that choice, on those people's privacy, simply because someone on an internet forum said things you object to.

if you choose to react in this way , it seems to me that you are just punishing the innocent bystanders, and not the person who has actually offended you.

survival has programmed us to react first, then think later. but we are no longer in the jungle, and if the privacy of your home isnt a place of suffient security to allow you the leisure to think first then react, then i dont know where else you'll find it.

its simplistic i know but sometimes it helps to look at what we do and ask our selves does this come with a "sense" of creation (and You know the wonder of that moment all too well) or a sense of destruction......

ive always found that to trend towards creation in all things is more satisfying

My initial post was very sincere. I had planned to take a vacation in June and visit some friends in that area. No harm, no foul. I wasn't even going to bother Ted, because there are plenty of other places in his area that have the same things going on.

I think about everything I say. Zandroid knew exactly what he was posting. He made a veiled threat. He then made a backhanded insult.
His intention was, and is to threaten, and to be demeaning.

Which is why I am showing him the same level of respect. I don't know Ted Phillips, and do not care. His is not the only place in Missouri experiencing these kinds of events. If his property is deluged with rubbernecking tourists, so be it. It's not my problem. He should have chosen his representatives more carefully.

Zandroid is soliciting money for Ted. To me, he is speaking on Ted's behalf and as far as I'm concerned by virtue of that, is just as culpable in threatening me.

Unlike some people, I am always thinking, and see the world very differently. When you start using proxies to solicit money, you accept whatever liability they bring to you.

Which is why I am going to continue my agenda.

 

[mike]

would you post your friends address in the same fashion ?

how would you feel if someone else did it to your friend with the remark

"If his property is deluged with rubbernecking tourists, so be it. It's not my problem. He should have chosen his representatives more carefully. "

Trust can be created or it can be destroyed. Mr Phillips is in a position of Trust with these people, you can of course go the destructive route, but i imagine you would not like someone inflicting the same scenario on your "Friend"

imagine putting your creations on display in an art gallery and having someone you dont know, destroy one or more of them for no other reason than someone else had upset them........................
having gone to the effort of sharing them with the public, it would seem a poor reward for the effort

 

[Tommy Allison]

Your analogies are ridiculous.

Mr. Phillips is not my friend, nor am I the aggressor here.

Mr. Phillips associate Zandroid, Solicitor of money, decided he would issue a veiled threat, and a back handed insult.

As far as a position of trust, That point is also moot as I am not planning on outing his friends, nor am I really interested in giving his home address, because that is NOT where "Marley" Woods is.

The real problem here, is that someone crossed the line with me. They crossed it, and I am correcting that oversight by pushing back.

Mr. Phillips can chime in at any time, should he choose to invalidate Zandroid, or his veiled threats.

Concerning any works I've created, I've had it happen on more than one occasion. Oh yes, it bothered me, but here's the thing. The Gallery in question made things right. I'm not the destroyer here. I'm the guy who was threatened and insulted.

You need to wrap your head around that. Asking me to take the so called higher road is telling me that I need to back off. Sorry, won't happen. A threat is only as good as the retribution exacted. Veiled threats or not, Zandroid knew exactly what he was doing when he posted it. What the little coward didn't count on, was just how far I would take things.

Are you now speaking on behalf of Ted Phillips Mike? If so, then perhaps you should rethink your posture with me. Being diplomatic, is being intellectually dishonest. You know as well as I do, the tone and demeanor of his post.

What started as some idle commentary by me, turned ugly when someone stepped over the line. That someone isn't being called to the carpet over it, I am. That someone deliberately stepped over the line. Not me.

I am not interested in apologies now. I am moving forward with phase 2 of my plans.

 

[mike]

i think the analogy is spot on,
how would you like to come on and do another show, and talk about whats happening at your freinds location, having given him your word, you would not reveal that location, only to have another Paracast listener find out that location and publish it ?
as for threats, its the internets..... is it a "real" threat ?
whats the "likelyhood" you'll actually suffer "real" harm in this specific context ?

the insult was real, i'll give you that, but threat ? no i really dont think so.

of course i dont speak for Mr Phillips, you know that.

and as a direct result of this thread ive donated to both sites his and the Paracast, because im grateful to anyone who puts in any time and effort into helping find answers to questions that keep me awake at night.

which threat is more "real" zandroids tactless reiteration of the fact that the property has security, or your threat to destroy the Trust created by Mr Phillips and his organisation.

i can "see" where the "real" victims are going to be here.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Thanks for the cash.

Our hosting expenses are up because we had to move to a larger server, so we do appreciate every single dime.

And I'm sure Ted Phillips appreciates what you did as well.

 

[wicro]

Your analogies are ridiculous.

Mr. Phillips is not my friend, nor am I the aggressor here.

Mr. Phillips associate Zandroid, Solicitor of money, decided he would issue a veiled threat, and a back handed insult.

As far as a position of trust, That point is also moot as I am not planning on outing his friends, nor am I really interested in giving his home address, because that is NOT where "Marley" Woods is.

The real problem here, is that someone crossed the line with me. They crossed it, and I am correcting that oversight by pushing back.

Mr. Phillips can chime in at any time, should he choose to invalidate Zandroid, or his veiled threats.

Concerning any works I've created, I've had it happen on more than one occasion. Oh yes, it bothered me, but here's the thing. The Gallery in question made things right. I'm not the destroyer here. I'm the guy who was threatened and insulted.

You need to wrap your head around that. Asking me to take the so called higher road is telling me that I need to back off. Sorry, won't happen. A threat is only as good as the retribution exacted. Veiled threats or not, Zandroid knew exactly what he was doing when he posted it. What the little coward didn't count on, was just how far I would take things.

Are you now speaking on behalf of Ted Phillips Mike? If so, then perhaps you should rethink your posture with me. Being diplomatic, is being intellectually dishonest. You know as well as I do, the tone and demeanor of his post.

What started as some idle commentary by me, turned ugly when someone stepped over the line. That someone isn't being called to the carpet over it, I am. That someone deliberately stepped over the line. Not me.

I am not interested in apologies now. I am moving forward with phase 2 of my plans.

What insults? I understand your protected status here, but really......
Zandroid made a slight comment (with a slight humors slant about 'city' types' which was proceed with a 'smile', I assumed from his post he was being slightly facetious). Is your skin that thin?

 

[Tommy Allison]

What insults? I understand your protected status here, but really......
Zandroid made a slight comment (with a slight humors slant about 'city' types' which was proceed with a 'smile', I assumed from his post he was being slightly facetious). Is your skin that thin?

I assure you, I do not have protected status on this site, or any other for that matter.

David has called me on more than one occasion to correct my behavior.

As far as my skin being thin, there are things I do not suffer, fools, threats, or insults veiled as wry humor. Wry humor is something I undersand. Zandroid lacks the intellect to even attempt it. His comment was a spot on threat, and an insult. With that said, I'm of the mind that if anyone has protected status, it would be keyboard cowards who hide like little girls behind screen names, and veil their threats and insults.

 

[mike]

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

Master Yoda


You must do what you feel is Right, of course..................

Master Kenobi

 

[wicro]

I assure you, I do not have protected status on this site, or any other for that matter.

David has called me on more than one occasion to correct my behavior.

As far as my skin being thin, there are things I do not suffer, fools, threats, or insults veiled as wry humor. Wry humor is something I undersand. Zandroid lacks the intellect to even attempt it. His comment was a spot on threat, and an insult. With that said, I'm of the mind that if anyone has protected status, it would be keyboard cowards who hide like little girls behind screen names, and veil their threats and insults.

Unfortunately I will not rise to the bait, I'm too old. However, I do not know you form 'Zandroid' so am unable to judge your intellect (or his). You may feel that insulting others and threatening third party's makes you above the 'norm' but frankly it does not impress me. I merely pointed out that in my humble opinion you are over reacting, if you want to debate that point, then so be it.

For the record my name is Ewen Maclean, and I'm attempting in my small way to contribute to this field through academia ( The Robert Gordon's University if you want to look me up [email protected]) I presume I'm not a 'little girl' or 'coward' now?

 

[Zandroid]

Ted isn't the only game in town, and when people start asking for money, that is PRECISELY when people should start investigating.

I'm taking a month off in June because a friend of mine who lives in the area has told me to come down, and document some things that are going on in HIS neck of the woods. I have two other places in Missouri I plan to visit where they are having the same sort of thing going on.

When someone made a veiled threat concerning guns, and when someone decided to display their passive aggressive nature, I decided that it was time to make things VERY nasty, and VERY public. Unlike some people, I am very up front about any threats, or insults I throw.

With that said, I'm making it very public on another forum. I'm not doing it here, because David and Gene made an agreement.

Even though I myself am not bound by that agreement, I am mindful of their choice.

I don't think you know were the site is.
And if if you did not hear me its on private property.
You can drive and get lost looking for it if you wish.
But remember this is your first attempt
Ted has already done the things you want to do
If Ted made it public
Next thing will be city kids, and gangbangers graffiti, commercial interests,
people trying to make a buck, and idiots sneaking onto private property at night with black ski masks on. If you want to go somewhere in the county outside Marley Woods go for it but the property owner and Ted will not allow people to ruin his research, there are too many idiots out there that think they know what they are doing, but Ted has been doing this 40 years. It takes a while to earn your respect in this field and just owning some cheap equipment and a digital camera does not qualify.

 

[Tommy Allison]

i think the analogy is spot on,
how would you like to come on and do another show, and talk about whats happening at your freinds location, having given him your word, you would not reveal that location, only to have another Paracast listener find out that location and publish it ?
as for threats, its the internets..... is it a "real" threat ?
whats the "likelyhood" you'll actually suffer "real" harm in this specific context ?

the insult was real, i'll give you that, but threat ? no i really dont think so.

of course i dont speak for Mr Phillips, you know that.

and as a direct result of this thread ive donated to both sites his and the Paracast, because im grateful to anyone who puts in any time and effort into helping find answers to questions that keep me awake at night.

which threat is more "real" zandroids tactless reiteration of the fact that the property has security, or your threat to destroy the Trust created by Mr Phillips and his organisation.

i can "see" where the "real" victims are going to be here.

You're right. But you're wrong about who is victimizing whom. I didn't set out to offend ANYONE. Apparently my desire to visit some of my friends who live in the area down there put ONE person off to the point to where he felt compelled to issue a veiled threat, and a nice little insult.

The fact that the little coward has NOT come and clarified this, speaks volumes. In a previous post you said it yourself that Zandroid made a threat that should have been reworded. Now you're just as cowardly by not standing by your own words.

Another thing I find interesting is this notion that I enjoy some kind of protected status. David could ban me at any time. It's his site, his choice. If I posted everything I knew about where things were, and all of Mr. Phillips, and witness info, I would be banned. I haven't, and I won't, and David and Gene don't have to ask. I actually respect their wishes.

They can ban me whenever they want to, and I'll respect their choice.

At no time have I made a veiled threat of gun violence on this or any other board. Telling me they have guns and are inclined to shoot, is no different to me than pointing a gun at me. It's one thing to say visitors aren't welcome, but mention guns, and an insult about city people, is beyond the pale.

Zandroid has no idea about who I am, where I've lived, what my qualifications are, what kind of investigative skills I have, and this little puke issues a veiled threat, and insult?

Had it been me issuing a veiled threat, I would have been banned. PERIOD.

If anyone is enjoying any protection on this site, it's the little coward.

Mr. Phillips is NOT unique. He's got some people, he's got some cases. So what? Those people are probably wanting to remain anonymous. Well, if Mr. Phillips gave a shit about other people's anonymity, he shouldn't have posted pictures that could be matched to places on Google Earth. It wasn't all that hard to figure it out. Took me all of about 45 minutes to gather up coordinates, names and phone numbers of some of the cases he's got listed.

If I can do it, I'm sure other people can too.

I had no intention of showing up at his place un-announced, and I certainly wanted nothing from the man. Had a friend of mine not called me about what they'd experienced, or been called to investigate, I would have continued to ignore this thread.

 

[David Biedny]

You know what? Everyone needs to chill out.

Tommy is not threatening to out Marley Woods, there are other areas that seem to be displaying similar phenomena. States are big places.

And the fact that Zandroid is suggesting that folks should donate some money to Ted's cause - which I wholeheartedly support - doesn't make him Ted's agent or spokesperson, any more than it makes me or Gene his representatives.

Can everyone please take a big breath or two?

Pretty Please with Sugar on Top.

Sigh...

dB

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Yes, as someone once said: Can't we all get along?

 

[Tommy Allison]

Unfortunately I will not rise to the bait, I'm too old. However, I do not know you form 'Zandroid' so am unable to judge your intellect (or his). You may feel that insulting others and threatening third party's makes you above the 'norm' but frankly it does not impress me. I merely pointed out that in my humble opinion you are over reacting, if you want to debate that point, then so be it.

For the record my name is Ewen Maclean, and I'm attempting in my small way to contribute to this field through academia ( The Robert Gordon's University if you want to look me up [email protected]) I presume I'm not a 'little girl' or 'coward' now?

I am up front about how I insult people. If I were to have called you a coward Wicro, I would have said so. The fact that you are addressing me directly does more than clarify.

 

[Zandroid]

As I said
Ted has been on many shows, Coast to Coast, Rense everything.
And nobody knows were Marley Woods is.
Some idiots try to find it
Last thing Marley Woods needs is

Now that you Tommy Allison are going to let us know yoru the one who wants to make this public
next there will be

groups of city gangbanging thugs with their spray cans and slum
media and news gathering
movie producers calling
lawyers
CNN
Investors looking to take a look
lookaloos hoping to see a UFO
amatuer UFO researchers on their first field investigation experience
dousers, and channelers peeping in their window
cultists, and vegans protesting
PETA protesting their ranch and holding hands in a blockaid
News cameras with bright lights shining on their property
Drug pushers and Slimleaches from Inner city bothering them

 

[Zandroid]

I am up front about how I insult people. If I were to have called you a coward Wicro, I would have said so. The fact that you are addressing me directly does more than clarify.

If you are dumb enough to announce the site (if you actually think you know were it is, good lord you don't have any idea or clue) why do you let me and others know your name.

Listen to the Paracast
Ted does not want just anybody
coming over and bothering
perhaps ruining important research
Ted has put his years in and has spent alot of money
so please just leave the guy alone
He has been there for years if this is your 1st time going
then I think you have alot to learn
How many field investigations have you done yet?
Do you have any research at all we can check out?

 

[Zandroid]

I thought you said you were going to check out Marley Woods

If I was incorrect in that I apologize

If you are intending to see other areas then good I applaud.

maybe misunderstanding

I know you can go to Mt. Adams here in Washington State and the same sort of stuff not as bizarre is going on.

If you want to go check it out and not go on private property
of course who can tell you that you cannot do that you can its a free country

But if you post it all over the internet and invite the crap in this field I disagree with that.

 

[Zandroid]

Ok I am done with this...


I do not need to get into flame wars and Tommy does not scare me, I am going easy on him. I have experience flaming and I retired years ago.

My last comment now is

Tommy Allison can you please redescribe what you were intending to say

Were you going to the region, county, city? surrounding areas?

Or are you intending to locate the area Ted has his research already set up? The one with private property and expensive lifestock.

 

[Tommy Allison]

If only I'd take Zandroid off ignore.