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How Silly is Climate Change Denial?

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He can't respond because like Maudib, Burnt, Angelo etc they have no clue what they are talking about. Zip. If we were experiencing any of the many predictions from the warmist side then we might have something to discuss. We don't. They prefer to green pockets not the planet.


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Man's total contribution of co2 in the atmosphere is 3% of the 100% in the carbon cycle.

Co2 as a trace gas in our atmosphere accounts for 0.04% of the atmosphere.

So therefore some maths will tell us what percentage of the atmosphere is human produced CO2.

So what are the maths for man made co2 in the atmosphere, the equation is simple 3% of all co2 is man made, all the co2 in the atmosphere represents 0.04% of all gas's in the atmosphere = 0. 00012%


Good luck trying to convince anyone that realises the absurdity of mans survival depending on us cutting our total co2 emissions of 0.00012% that make up our current atmosphere.

Tell me again why we should create/accumulate trillions of dollars of debt, which our children will pay for.
 
He can't respond because like Maudib, Burnt, Angelo etc they have no clue what they are talking about. Zip. If we were experiencing any of the many predictions from the warmist side then we might have something to discuss. We don't. They prefer to green pockets not the planet.


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Burnt is different, burnt is coming from the environmental aspect, seeing his country ruined by big oil, anything that hurts them is good by him, ofcourse he is a deeper thinker that just that, tygers position is purely politically driven, this spill over animosity in american politics is as bad as across the water from here, with working class labour voters hating tories with a passion, completely unthathamoble to an outsider, ive been reading the press and other stuff from where he lives, so cal he said a few days ago in a post elsewhere, took it to mean california, not that its any different news wise.

I now understand why he is so passionate about a subject he has only recently taken too, he believed before he ever looked, i now understand why the majority of the rest of the world dont give a shit, they show diplomacy, but they dont give a shit, this is only a red hot subject in your own little bubble that is america.



Anyway i now understand what ''political wedge'' means, i now understand about al gore, worth 1.7 million when he ran, worth $500 million now, says it all really.
 
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I hadn't been aware that the same scientists who had been paid by the tobacco industry are now peddling the CO2 stuff. :confused:


BTW the answer - to the endless litany about CO2 not being toxic, warming not occurring in the last ten years and sea level rise not happening - is science - which deniers don't subscribe to. The scientific evidence is being set aside. That is the only way the deniers can proceed stating these fictions again and again. The facts are: CO2 in this case can be legitimately termed toxic, warming has occurred in the last ten years and sea level rise is taking place. The deniers are counting on the scientific ignorance of the general lay person. So it has always been with mis-direction.
 
ONCE AGAIN for the dim witted. No credible scientist denies that the climate is changing It always changes and always will. What is denied is that the 3% human contribution of CO2 is causing it. I wish you could see how S L O W i am typing so you might be able to understand.. . This report is good news for people who are of average intelligence or greater.
I am excited for CO2 to get up to around 700 ppm. Show the data that supports this BS. This host is as ignorant as you Tyger.
 
It's time to trot out Tygers mentor again. Greenpeace Lady is much like most well meaning "warmists".. altho the video is 5 years old it is still relevant.
 
Like any randi'ite he thinks if he keeps ramming the same crap under your nose, you will get used to it, and eventually agree its a rose, even tho you saw the dog squatting.

Speaking of Mr Randi, he got a dose of ''careful what you wish for'' from his useful idiot camp when he legitimately, and subtly tried to warn the skeptic community NOT to hang their hat on this one, he KNOWS its all built on sand, and will one day come back to bite the skepitical societies firmly in the ass.

This was randies peace in full, it caused uproar and his useful idiots did as he taught them, they shredded his ass, some called him a traitor, others a judas, others blamed his medication, and others suggested he may be going senile, all the hate he instilled in them was on show in his own forum, it was heart-warming stuff..

in full, unedited in anyway.

Written by James Randi
Though this subject is not one that directly concerns the JREF, I'm very frequently asked if I'll turn my skeptical eye to it. As a year-end fling, I'll give it a try. To wit:

An unfortunate fact is that scientists are just as human as the rest of us, in that they are strongly influenced by the need to be accepted, to kowtow to peer opinion, and to "belong" in the scientific community. Why do I find this "unfortunate"? Because the media and the hoi polloi increasingly depend upon and accept ideas or principles that are proclaimed loudly enough by academics who are often more driven by "politically correct" survival principles than by those given them by Galileo, Newton, Einstein, and Bohr. (Granted, it's reassuring that they're listening to academics at all -- but how to tell the competent from the incompetent?) Religious and other emotional convictions drive scientists, despite what they may think their motivations are.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) -- a group of thousands of scientists in 194 countries around the world, and recipient of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize -- has issued several comprehensive reports in which they indicate that they have become convinced that "global warming" is and will be seriously destructive to life as we know it, and that Man is the chief cause of it. They say that there is a consensus of scientists who believe we are headed for disaster if we do not stop burning fossil fuels, but a growing number of prominent scientists disagree. Meanwhile, some 32,000 scientists, 9,000 of them PhDs, have signed The Petition Project statement proclaiming that Man is not necessarily the chief cause of warming, that the phenomenon may not exist at all, and that, in any case, warming would not be disastrous.

Happily, science does not depend on consensus. Conclusions are either reached or not, but only after an analysis of evidence as found in nature. It's often been said that once a conclusion is reached, proper scientists set about trying to prove themselves wrong. Failing in that, they arrive at a statement that appears -- based on all available data -- to describe a limited aspect about how the world appears to work. And not all scientists are willing to follow this path. My most excellent friend Martin Gardner once asked a parapsychologist just what sort of evidence would convince him he had erred in coming to a certain conclusion. The parascientist replied that he could not imagine any such situation, thus -- in my opinion -- removing him from the ranks of the scientific discipline rather decidedly.

History supplies us with many examples where scientists were just plain wrong about certain matters, but ultimately discovered the truth through continued research. Science recovers from such situations quite well, though sometimes with minor wounds.

I strongly suspect that The Petition Project may be valid. I base this on my admittedly rudimentary knowledge of the facts about planet Earth. This ball of hot rock and salt water spins on its axis and rotates about the Sun with the expected regularity, though we're aware that lunar tides, solar wind, galactic space dust and geomagnetic storms have cooled the planet by about one centigrade degree in the past 150 years. The myriad of influences that act upon Earth are so many and so variable -- though not capricious -- that I believe we simply cannot formulate an equation into which we enter variables and come up with an answer. A living planet will continually belch, vibrate, fracture, and crumble a bit, and thus defeat an accurate equation. Please note that this my amateur opinion, based on probably insufficient data.

It appears that the Earth is warming, and has continued to warm since the last Ice Age, which ended some 10,000 to 20,000 years ago. But that has not been an even warming. Years of warming followed by years of cooling have left us just a bit warmer than before. This conclusion has been arrived at from data collected at some 1,200+ weather stations in the USA, though bear in mind that there are very few weather stations over the vast oceans that cover 70% of our planet, or on the continents Africa, South America, and especially Antarctica.

We can now record temperatures with much better than the former fraction-of-a-degree accuracy we had just a decade ago, but that temperature change appears to be just about half a degree Centigrade.

Our Earth's atmosphere is approximately 80% nitrogen, 20% oxygen. Just .04% is carbon dioxide -- a "trace" amount. But from that tiny percentage is built all the plants we have on Earth. CO2 is a natural molecule absolutely required for plant life to survive, and in the process of growing, those plants give off oxygen. We -- and all animal life -- consume that oxygen and give off CO2. (No, this is not an example of Intelligent Design.) If that balance is sufficiently disturbed, species either adapt or perish. And the world turns...

Incidentally, we have a convenient phenomenon that contributes to our survival. Doubling the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere will not double the temperature rise, small though it is. The basic principle of what's known as the "greenhouse effect" is quite simple: in a glass-enclosed environment, sunlight enters through the glass and strikes a surface, where it is transformed into longer infrared rays which do not easily reflect back through the glass; they're trapped. and raise the temperature. However, the greenhouse effect as applied to our planet is more complicated. The infrared rays that are reflected back from the Earth are trapped by the greenhouse gases, water vapor and CO2 -- a process that warms those gases and heats the Earth. This effect makes Earth habitable, preventing extremes of temperature. The limit of the influence of CO2 is dictated, not by the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, but by the amount of solar radiation reflected back from the Earth. Once all the infrared rays have been "captured" by the greenhouse gases there is no additional increase in carbon dioxide.

Yes, we produce CO2, by burning "fossil fuels" and by simply breathing. And every fossil fuel produces CO2. Some products produce more than others, varying with their chemical composition. Methane gas produces less CO2, wood produces more. But almost paradoxically, when wood burns it produces CO2, and when a tree dies and rots it produces yet more CO2. Oceans are huge storage tanks for CO2, but as they warm up, they hold less of the dissolved gas. They release it into the atmosphere, then more of it is absorbed back into the oceans. And as far as humans are concerned, ten times more people die each year from the effects of cold than die from the heat. This a hugely complex set of variables we are trying to reduce to an equation...

It's easy enough to believe that drought, floods, hurricanes, and earthquakes are signs of a coming catastrophe from global warming, but these are normal variations of any climate that we -- and other forms of life -- have survived. Earth has undergone many serious changes in climate, from the Ice Ages to periods of heavily increased plant growth from their high levels of CO2, yet the biosphere has survived. We're adaptable, stubborn, and persistent -- and we have what other life forms don't have: we can manipulate our environment. Show me an Inuit who can survive in his habitat without warm clothing... Humans will continue to infest Earth because we're smart.

In my amateur opinion, more attention to disease control, better hygienic conditions for food production and clean water supplies, as well as controlling the filth that we breathe from fossil fuel use, are problems that should distract us from fretting about baking in Global Warming. From Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's 1891 A Scandal in Bohemia, I quote:

Watson: "This is indeed a mystery," I remarked. "What do you imagine that it means?"

Holmes: I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts...
 
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Man's total contribution of co2 in the atmosphere is 3% of the 100% in the carbon cycle.

Co2 as a trace gas in our atmosphere accounts for 0.04% of the atmosphere.

So therefore some maths will tell us what percentage of the atmosphere is human produced CO2.

So what are the maths for man made co2 in the atmosphere, the equation is simple 3% of all co2 is man made, all the co2 in the atmosphere represents 0.04% of all gas's in the atmosphere = 0. 00012%


Good luck trying to convince anyone that realises the absurdity of mans survival depending on us cutting our total co2 emissions of 0.00012% that make up our current atmosphere.

Tell me again why we should create/accumulate trillions of dollars of debt, which our children will pay for.
You have obviously confused the silly "warmists" here...
 
Tyger better call for "help" from Maudib again.. maybe he has died along with Angelo from rising sea levels, catastrophic warming or maybe a monster hurricane..
 
i confused myself the maths are 3% of 0.04% =0.000133 three to eternity i think, can anyone confirm.

how much do we need to reduce the 0.00013% co2 contribution to our total atmosphere, to be safe do you think pixel, will another billion in big Al's account be enough.
 
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That % is right at 0.00013333333% or 0.00013 shortened being the total amount of our atmosphere we create with our produced c02.

How or even why does co2 even enter into this debate, never mind under-pinning the whole debate, its preposterous really, to saddle our kids with trillions of debt, and the beauty of it is THEY the warming jihdist's will save the planet, cos very little will change, and THEY will say see it was money well spent, the world is safe, because WE forced them to cut our co2 emissions in half, all the way down from 0.00013% to 0.00006% of our atmosphere.
 
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what is odd is we have had no warming for 18 years yet not one "warmist" here is rejoicing. wtf is up with that? also no major hurricanes, no extreme weather, no extreme drought, no extreme sea level rise, no extreme glacier loss, no extreme polar ice loss, no extreme anything as predicted many years ago... yet no rejoicing.
 
Global warming is causing it to snow in all but 6 USA States next week.. the extra cold will create more CO2 emissions and drive the warming to be even colder... um.. I know.. but makes sense to Maudib and Tyger I am sure..
 
Flipper, I will listen to your video link, maybe on the weekend when I have more time. (I started but have to set it aside for now.) :)

U.S. and China Reach Climate Deal After Months of Talks
LINK: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/12/w....html?emc=edit_na_20141111&nlid=54852892&_r=0

TEXT: "BEIJING — China and the United States made common cause on Wednesday against the threat of climate change, staking out an ambitious joint plan to curb carbon emissions as a way to spur nations around the world to make their own cuts in greenhouse gases.

"The landmark agreement, jointly announced here by President Obama and President Xi Jinping, includes new targets for carbon emissions reductions by the United States and a first-ever commitment by China to stop its emissions from growing by 2030.

"Administration officials said the agreement, which was worked out quietly between the United States and China over nine months and included a letter from Mr. Obama to Mr. Xi proposing a joint approach, could galvanize efforts to negotiate a new global climate agreement by 2015."
 
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