I am concerned and you should be TOO!!

[Randall]

That's purely your opinion, nothing more. I happen to enjoy video games very much and always have, they're like interactive novels. Well, the good ones are anyway. I think you're really making a mountain out of a mole hill here, my livelihood isn't at stake because I signed up for Facebook. Personally I think you're taking one case and blowing it way out of proportion, but whatever, like I said, do what you want.

There is a principle here which you choose to ignore in favor of getting your instant gratification. Have fun playing knowing that's what it cost you.

 

[Muadib]

There is a principle here which you choose to ignore it in favor of getting your instant gratification. Have fun playing knowing that's what it cost you.

Yadda yadda yadda, it has nothing to do with instant gratification, it has to do with me enjoying something and if I have to agree to a basic TOS to use it that's not a problem for me. Most games don't have them, but online games do because people sue over stupid shit. I can't blame a company for wanting to protect itself from that. Take your principle and cram it.

 

[Randall]

Yadda yadda yadda, it has nothing to do with instant gratification, it has to do with me enjoying something and if I have to agree to a basic TOS to use it that's not a problem for me. Most games don't have them, but online games do because people sue over stupid shit. I can't blame a company for wanting to protect itself from that. Take your principle and cram it.

That all depends on the TOS. Some of them are fair and I've agreed to more than one. But if you don't care to read them and your happy being ignorant of the contract you're in ... then you're like how many millions of other people who just don't give a damn ... "take your principle and cram it" ... that's just perfect ... I don't think you even realize exactly what you're saying. Man that is priceless.

 

[Muadib]

That all depends on the TOS. Some of them are fair and I've agreed to more than one. But if you don't care to read them and your happy being ignorant of the contract you're in ... then you're like how many millions of other people who just don't give a damn ... "take your principle and cram it" ... that's just perfect ... I don't think you even realize exactly what you're saying. Man that is priceless.

I realize exactly what I'm saying, it's what I've been saying this entire time: I don't agree with you. It's simple really. It has nothing do with being ignorant, I read the agreements before I sign them and I have no problems with a company trying to protect itself from lawsuits. I already told you I don't give a damn about your TOS crusade so why act surprised when I tell you to shove it? Go tell someone else how they should think and what they should do, I'm not interested.

 

[Randall]

I realize exactly what I'm saying, it's what I've been saying this entire time: I don't agree with you. It's simple really. It has nothing do with being ignorant, I read the agreements before I sign them and I have no problems with a company trying to protect itself from lawsuits. I already told you I don't give a damn about your TOS crusade so why act surprised when I tell you to shove it? Go tell someone else how they should think and what they should do, I'm not interested.

You're forgetting the important part. Here I'll add it in for you ( the bold parts ): "I have no problems with a company trying to unfairly protect itself from lawsuits by making user's responsible for legal fees when they have done nothing wrong."

 

[Muadib]

You're forgetting the important part. Here I'll add it in for you ( the bold parts ): "I have no problems with a company trying to unfairly protect itself from lawsuits by making user's responsible for legal fees when they have done nothing wrong."

Like I said before, show me an example of someone who's blameless winding up responsible for a companies legal fees. You can't. Therefore, you're crusading against something that doesn't exist, which doesn't surprise me. You're funny, you actually think that a company is wrong to protect itself against frivolous lawsuits but that the government is right to shove mics, wires, and cameras up a private citizens ass. That's truly priceless.

 

[stonehart]

Fact is guys unless you are using multiple proxy's and/or running a VPN adding TOR or I2P etc to it all then everything you do and say on the net is recorded and tagged to your IP.
But then again for your average user 90% plus of this information is absolutely useless to anyone except for marketing and hackers after your personal information and habits.

Sure be aware of the risks out there but no need to be to paranoid about it all.

Your average net citizen is very much a microscopic blip on the radar of the government (depending on where you live in the world), but in the case of face book it is really a privacy issue and the use of personal information for targeted market research that some see as a problem ..... also they have a crappy track record of keeping personal data safe and have been hacked more times than a log of wood.

Having said that most cases of people losing their private information such as account numbers etc are due to basic stupidity and a serious lack of understanding of both internet security and how computers actually work.

FB is a fad that will in time be supplanted by a new social network site as it supplanted other ones itself.

I don't have a FB account for a number of reasons but most have to do with security... simple maxim I have stuck with since the early days of the web "if you want to keep private maintain control of what is online yourself, if a site asks for to much then seriously weigh the benefits of joining" .. less is more and less is safe.

As for the use of proxy's I really do not see the need for the average person to use them at all, whats more if you do be aware that your ISP can notice you using them (if they bothered to check) if you do not understand how to set it all up correctly.. Whats more if you are sloppy they will notice you using TOR if there are few or no other nodes in your area.

But unless you are a hacker, criminal, or an activist etc why the hell would you need to?

Final word on FB is that yes it is used for data mining but the fact is that 99% of those that use it have nothing to worry about from the FBI or the CIA as those that are up to no good and have a few brains I should think stay away from it.

Remember guys you are all on the surface web and there is a very bloody deep ocean underneath you

That is my opinion anyway.

 

[Randall]

Like I said before, show me an example of someone who's blameless winding up responsible for a companies legal fees. You can't. Therefore, you're crusading against something that doesn't exist, which doesn't surprise me. You're funny, you actually think that a company is wrong to protect itself against frivolous lawsuits but that the government is right to shove mics, wires, and cameras up a private citizens ass. That's truly priceless.

The security legislation is morally defensible, but you're flippantly misrepresenting it to suit yourself while at the same time sticking up for legal weasels and corporate bullies.

 

[Muadib]

The security legislation is morally defensible, but you're flippantly misrepresenting it to suit yourself while at the same time sticking up for legal weasels and corporate bullies.

You may think it's morally defensible, plenty of others, including myself, do not. The fact is you can't provide a single example of a blameless individual getting sued for something someone else did because they signed a standard TOS agreement, therefore there's nothing to crusade against really, at least not until when/if something like that actually happens. That's why people don't care, it has nothing to do with laziness or ignorance.

Anyway that's enough, we can agree to disagree and leave it at that, anymore blathering on the subject will be pretty pointless.

 

[stonehart]

lol Muadib and Ufology that was kind of an epic rant you two were having there.

 

[Fcseven]

But they did not delete you.

If you mean what I think you mean then yes, I understand what I posted their is still in their systems. I only wish I knew of the connections to shady government agencies before I signed up.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

heh

The things people will admit when they believe they are anonymous.

heh

What's wrong with playing video games?

 

[Randall]

Like I said before, show me an example of someone who's blameless winding up responsible for a companies legal fees. You can't. Therefore, you're crusading against something that doesn't exist, which doesn't surprise me. You're funny, you actually think that a company is wrong to protect itself against frivolous lawsuits but that the government is right to shove mics, wires, and cameras up a private citizens ass. That's truly priceless.

Sorry to have to tell you but your logic is flawed. A lack of examples does not invalidate my point. It's like saying it's OK to agree to a contract so long as you never have to honor your end of the bargain. Remind me never to make any deals with you. As for the security legislation not being morally defensible, perhaps there is something I've overlooked. What specific aspect of the law itself is not defensible? Why?

 

[exo_doc]

You know, in Viet Nam with my intelligence stint we had, ah shall I say knowledge, of the Phoenix program, which targeted Communists infrastructure in country. With that being said let me say that I am convinced that a program like that is needed now, badly. Like it or not we are in a deep down and very dirty war. May not feel like a war, may not act like a war, but a war is what is currently happening and you can take that to the bank.

The current Admn. is whistling happily down the road but shit is heading to Mudville ladies and gentlemen. The Islamic movement is going to hit us here in the good old U.S.A. sooner than later, and I am convinced of it. I spent too much time in the crapper to not see the lines heading to us and when it does ... the restrictions of today will seem like a Sunday school picnic. We need to send out teams of SF operatives to hunt, track and terminate these bastards before they start operations here. Mark my words ... if the big G doesn't take this seriously ... we WILL RUE the Day. The country has received warnings ... and we better heed them.

Decker

You're right Don. Our Gov seems to be screwing up left and right.
An example is how the State department handeled the "Mohammad" video by whining and slobbering about how the US had nothing to do with it so please don't riot and get mad at us.
The radical Muslim extremists have the world by the doodads because every nation is now scared to mention ANYTHING about Mohammad for fear of riots and terrorist acts. They have effectively enacted "censorship by force" on the world.
And is the Gov paying attention to what's being lost because of coward terrorist bullies? I don't think so.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Several things the worst of which is to equate them to reading literature.

Several things? Like what?

 

[Angel of Ioren]

According to smackgooby, they fried his brains. I'll let Google do the rest for you.

I see - you have no idea what you're talking about. Okay, no worries.

 

[stonehart]

What's wrong with playing video games?

Nothing at all

EVE is my game of choice

 

[Muadib]

Several things the worst of which is to equate them to reading literature.

I suppose being a medium and casting out fake demons, not to mention bilking the ignorant out of their hard earned money is much, much better. Some games are very much like a novel, I wouldn't compare them to Dostoyevsky, Orwell, or Huxley, but I think they can definitely be compared with more casual reading like Tom Clancy or something similar.

 

[Muadib]

Sorry to have to tell you but your logic is flawed. A lack of examples does not invalidate my point. It's like saying it's OK to agree to a contract so long as you never have to honor your end of the bargain. Remind me never to make any deals with you.

A lack of examples shows that your point is pointless. Anything can happen in theory, the frigging sun could fall out of the sky tomorrow, in theory. I could die of a brain aneurysm in the next 20 minutes, in theory. These things can happen, in theory, but they're extremely unlikely, so why in the hell would I waste my time worrying about them? Although, my dying in the next twenty minutes of an aneurysm is probably more likely than some poor innocent bastard having to pay Facebook's legal fees for something he had nothing to do with, because he signed a standard user agreement. Maybe I should worry about that.... Nah.

And that's about all I have to say on the subject, go ahead and get the last word in. This conversation about theoretical principles for theoretical situations that never happen in the real world bores the shit out of me, and that's not a theory, it's a fact.

 

[Randall]

A lack of examples shows that your point is pointless. Anything can happen in theory, the frigging sun could fall out of the sky tomorrow, in theory ...

An ethical principle is an entirely different concept than the chance that some thing or another may or may not happen.

And that's about all I have to say on the subject, go ahead and get the last word in ...

OK I'll take you up on that ...

... This conversation about theoretical principles for theoretical situations that never happen in the real world bores the shit out of me, and that's not a theory, it's a fact.

But I thought you said I could have the last word ...