Terjarv
Skilled Investigator
Yea I know, I was commenting on the piece. Didn't mean to make it sound otherwise.
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Yea I know, I was commenting on the piece. Didn't mean to make it sound otherwise.
Angel of Ioren
Friendly Skeptic
No worries. I figured, but I wanted to make sure.
So let me see. Richard Lindzen is used by Pixel as a scientist that apparently knows the truth. You know, because Pixel would not pick any scientist that had a conflict of interest. But that's exactly what Lindzen has, ... a conflict of interest. He has been repetitively paid by big oil companies to write papers and lecture. So, how do we know that Richard Lindzen isn't being paid off as well to support a different agenda?? How do we know Lindzen is telling the real truth?? How do we know he isn't just plain wrong?? Has he ever been wrong before?? Well, yes as a matter of fact he has.
The point here is simply to suggest that you can't realistically dismiss all government-scientists and replace them with Big Oil scientists and expect it to be taken as fact.
Do you see the problems in ordinary people coming to a logical conclusion (as if it mattered)?? There is so much money to be had (I stress on either side of this thing) that it certainly interferes with getting the truth of the matter in the forefront. What did the cigarette companies teach us?? That people will lie even if it endangers everyone. Cash is king right?? Why would this be any different??
I'm in the camp (I guess apparently we've all been assigned to certain camps) that we probably can affect the Earth in some way by our collective actions. How much?? I'm guessing it's not that much, but it is probably measurable. Now the fact that we are going to somehow end up paying (literally) for this is a consequence of the catastrophic AGW people. Media buys it because it's scary right?? People get scared pretty easily, it sells, and it forces behavior changes, ... just what the doctor ordered.
The real pisser is that a carbon tax isn't going to solve the so-called problem. So why do we want this again?? So that the companies (and individuals) will ante up and KEEP DOING THE SAME THING THEY HAVE BEEN DOING ANYWAY! It doesn't make a lick of sense, ... but then again a lot of stuff in the world doesn't.
Now I've done this back and forth stuff on too many threads to do it again. But all I'll say in closing is that we've had threads in this forum for over 4 years now and the same stuff get's revisited every so often. But in that time no scientific organization in the world has changed it's tone as far as endorsing the notion that human action can and has caused climate change. If it's such a crumbling theory then why haven't the organizations (political and non-political) who actually do the science changed their tones?? Why hasn't at least one of them changed to say "Hey look, sorry, we were wrong but this is all bunk!".
I understand it took a long time to give Copernicus the benefit of the doubt but this is different. If it's wrong it's wrong. But these organizations have taken a pretty strong stance on it and none of them have changed.
The point here is simply to suggest that you can't realistically dismiss all government-scientists and replace them with Big Oil scientists and expect it to be taken as fact.
Do you see the problems in ordinary people coming to a logical conclusion (as if it mattered)?? There is so much money to be had (I stress on either side of this thing) that it certainly interferes with getting the truth of the matter in the forefront. What did the cigarette companies teach us?? That people will lie even if it endangers everyone. Cash is king right?? Why would this be any different??
I'm in the camp (I guess apparently we've all been assigned to certain camps) that we probably can affect the Earth in some way by our collective actions. How much?? I'm guessing it's not that much, but it is probably measurable. Now the fact that we are going to somehow end up paying (literally) for this is a consequence of the catastrophic AGW people. Media buys it because it's scary right?? People get scared pretty easily, it sells, and it forces behavior changes, ... just what the doctor ordered.
The real pisser is that a carbon tax isn't going to solve the so-called problem. So why do we want this again?? So that the companies (and individuals) will ante up and KEEP DOING THE SAME THING THEY HAVE BEEN DOING ANYWAY! It doesn't make a lick of sense, ... but then again a lot of stuff in the world doesn't.
Now I've done this back and forth stuff on too many threads to do it again. But all I'll say in closing is that we've had threads in this forum for over 4 years now and the same stuff get's revisited every so often. But in that time no scientific organization in the world has changed it's tone as far as endorsing the notion that human action can and has caused climate change. If it's such a crumbling theory then why haven't the organizations (political and non-political) who actually do the science changed their tones?? Why hasn't at least one of them changed to say "Hey look, sorry, we were wrong but this is all bunk!".
I understand it took a long time to give Copernicus the benefit of the doubt but this is different. If it's wrong it's wrong. But these organizations have taken a pretty strong stance on it and none of them have changed.
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pixelsmith
Guest
I sort of messed this post up somehow but here is the post I was trying to put up.
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What Ireland Answers
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What Ireland Answers
Angel of Ioren
Friendly Skeptic
Yahoo answers? And you make fun of me for quoting Wired.
@TClaeys - I agree with pretty much everything you said.
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pixelsmith
Guest
i was looking at the links Angelo
Angel of Ioren
Friendly Skeptic
I'm just busting your balls dude. I know you think I'm a fool when it comes to this topic, but I was trying to be funny.
Yes, yes, my knowledge on the topic is what's funny and I need to to 6 to 10 years more of research, I know...
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pixelsmith
Guest
I'm just busting your balls dude. I know you think I'm a fool when it comes to this topic, but I was trying to be funny.
Yes, yes, my knowledge on the topic is what's funny and I need to to 6 to 10 years more of research, I know...
yup... you are indeed a fool. a foolish sheeple. thats ok, if we all agreed on everything we probably would not be here on this forum.
Angel of Ioren
Friendly Skeptic
Baaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
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pixelsmith
Guest
Bleat bleat... baaa!
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pixelsmith
Guest
Global Warming's Latest Offense: Chair Shortages
Global Warmings Latest Offense: Chair Shortages - James Taylor - Endpoint Analysis - Forbes[h=1][/h][h=1][/h][h=1][/h][h=1][/h][h=1][/h][h=1][/h]
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Agenda 21
Imagine going to sleep one night and waking up many years later in a totally different world. In this futuristic world, literally everything you do is tightly monitored and controlled by control freak bureaucrats in the name of "sustainable development" and with the goal of promoting "the green agenda". An international ruling body has centralized global control over all human activity. What you eat, what you drink, where you live, how warm or cold your home can be and how much fuel you can use is determined by them. Anyone that dissents or that tries to rebel against the system is sent off for "re-education". The human population is 90 percent lower than it is today in this futuristic society, and all remaining humans have been herded into tightly constricted cities which are run much like prisons. Does all of that sound good to you? Well, this is what Agenda 21 is all about.
Yes, I know all this sounds like a plot from a science fiction novel. But it is actually real. 178 nations have signed on to Agenda 21. "Eco-prophets" such as Al Gore travel all over the world teaching us how wonderful "sustainable development" will be. This agenda is being pushed in our schools, at our universities, on our televisions and in our movies.
So exactly what is Agenda 21? The following is how the United Nations defines Agenda 21....
One of the key elements of "sustainable development" is population control. The United Nations (along with radical "environmental" leaders such as Al Gore) actually believes that there are far too many people on earth.
So what is the solution?
Sadly, they actually believe that we need to start reducing the population.
continued here: Al Gore, Agenda 21 And Population Control
Global Warmings Latest Offense: Chair Shortages - James Taylor - Endpoint Analysis - Forbes[h=1][/h][h=1][/h][h=1][/h][h=1][/h][h=1][/h][h=1][/h]
---------- Post added at 06:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:28 PM ----------
Agenda 21
Imagine going to sleep one night and waking up many years later in a totally different world. In this futuristic world, literally everything you do is tightly monitored and controlled by control freak bureaucrats in the name of "sustainable development" and with the goal of promoting "the green agenda". An international ruling body has centralized global control over all human activity. What you eat, what you drink, where you live, how warm or cold your home can be and how much fuel you can use is determined by them. Anyone that dissents or that tries to rebel against the system is sent off for "re-education". The human population is 90 percent lower than it is today in this futuristic society, and all remaining humans have been herded into tightly constricted cities which are run much like prisons. Does all of that sound good to you? Well, this is what Agenda 21 is all about.
Yes, I know all this sounds like a plot from a science fiction novel. But it is actually real. 178 nations have signed on to Agenda 21. "Eco-prophets" such as Al Gore travel all over the world teaching us how wonderful "sustainable development" will be. This agenda is being pushed in our schools, at our universities, on our televisions and in our movies.
So exactly what is Agenda 21? The following is how the United Nations defines Agenda 21....
Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment.
When you start doing deep research into Agenda 21, you will find that describing it as a "comprehensive plan" is an understatement. Virtually all forms of human activity impact the environment. The rabid "environmentalists" behind the green agenda intend to take all human activity and put it into a box called "sustainable development".
One of the key elements of "sustainable development" is population control. The United Nations (along with radical "environmental" leaders such as Al Gore) actually believes that there are far too many people on earth.
So what is the solution?
Sadly, they actually believe that we need to start reducing the population.
continued here: Al Gore, Agenda 21 And Population Control