I hear you knockin!

[tyder001]

Well, some folks don't feel that a persons "talking" about paranormal experience rises to the level of proof. All, we really have are Whitley's words. Which may indeed be true but ya gotta take it with a grain of salt. I personally think he has had paranormal experiences of some kind. But, it could all be in his mind. Who knows? Although, I do agree Angel is kind of "closed off" on this particular subject today.

 

[Ron Collins]

Have you read Communion and the subsequent books? Have you read "Report on Communion?"

I have read Communion and most of his other books. Including his fiction "The Grays" which I thought was a spectacular novel as are most of his fiction books. I have also read all the arguments of how he had been peddling a story along the alien line for a while before the events. I honestly just can't get behind Whitley on the Communion story. Especially in his current state of Woo Woo new agey theories. I think he is a talented writer with a good imagination and excellent command of language, character development, and descriptive prose. From my feelings that is how I view his story, a well spun fiction. Admittedly, my opinion is mostly feeling based and is probably colored so because i am so familiar with his fictional writings.

 

[trainedobserver]

Well, some folks don't feel that a persons "talking" about paranormal experience rises to the level of proof. All, we really have are Whitley's words.

Have you tyder, read Communion, Report on Communion, and the subsequent books yourself? (stands and leans toward the screen)

 

[tyder001]

I have read Communion. Other than that I'm talking thru muh hat!

 

[trainedobserver]

I have read Communion and most of his other books. Including his fiction "The Grays" which I thought was a spectacular novel as are most of his fiction books. I have also read all the arguments of how he had been peddling a story along the alien line for a while before the events. I honestly just can't get behind Whitley on the Communion story. Especially in his current state of Woo Woo new agey theories. I think he is a talented writer with a good imagination and excellent command of language, character development, and descriptive prose. From my feelings that is how I view his story, a well spun fiction. Admittedly, my opinion is mostly feeling based and is probably colored so because i am so familiar with his fictional writings.

My chiding of Angel aside, that pretty much sums up my opinion as well. Since we have both read the books in question I can understand and respect your position. I think something certainly happened to Whitley though. What that actually was or continues to be is a big question. I think he has been jacked with by human agencies interested in his experiences. I think it is highly ill advised for anyone to make claims like his, true or not, as I think there is some evidence that it puts them on the radar of both individuals and organizations that anyone with any sense would want nothing to do with.

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My point being there is more than just Whitley's word involved in his case regardless of what Whitley's or anyone else's interpretation of those experiences might be.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

My chiding of Angel aside, that pretty much sums up my opinion as well. Since we have both read the books in question I can understand and respect your position. I think something certainly happened to Whitley though. What that actually was or continues to be is a big question. I think he has been jacked with by human agencies interested in his experiences. I think it is highly ill advised for anyone to make claims like his, true or not, as I think there is some evidence that it puts them on the radar of both individuals and organizations that anyone with any sense would want nothing to do with.

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My point being there is more than just Whitley's word involved in his case regardless of what Whitley's or anyone else's interpretation of those experiences might be.

Whitley asside, you do realize that although Stephen King peddles his wares as fiction, all of that stuff has actually happened, in an alternate universe of course. The evidence for this can be found if you read through The Dark Tower series. Stephen King is a reverse liar.

 

[trainedobserver]

Whitley asside, you do realize that although Stephen King peddles his wares as fiction, all of that stuff has actually happened, in an alternate universe of course. The evidence for this can be found if you read through The Dark Tower series. Stephen King is a reverse liar.

Oh G-bus, don't mess with my head like that.

 

[tyder001]

Bad day Angel?

Buh the bye don't mess with the Tower. All things serve the Beam!

Thankee Sai!
Hope you are well.
Long Days and Pleasant nights!

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Bad day? Not at all. I'm having a blast with this thread.

 

[tyder001]

O.k. glad you are having fun.

Above, the stars were unwinking, also constant. Suns and worlds by the million. Dizzying constellations, cold fire in every hue. As he watched, the sky washed from violet to ebony. A meteor etched a brief, spectacular arc below Old Mother and winked out. The fire threw strange shadows as the devil-grass burned its slow way down into new patterns - not ideograms but a straightforward crisscross vaguely frightening in its own no-nonsense surety.

 

[Kieran]

Have you tyder, read Communion, Report on Communion, and the subsequent books yourself? (stands and leans toward the screen)

There is two reasons why I believe part of the story Whitley tells, I have never read communion, but I have read short segments of the story online. I recently watched the movie six months back I believe, how truthful that is to the story in the book, I do not know?

One) My aunt and uncle saw a similar creature one night (the small stocky ugly hooded creature) and there is no way in hell, they'd would have known about that creature unless they'd seen it for themselves, talk of Aliens is not common place in Ireland, you have to be very careful, how you approach that subject here!

I also found it interesting in the movie the Grey was portrayed as not being real, it was just an outfit that the stocky creatures wore, least that was my Impression.

Does Whitley's "Grey Alien" not exist ? how true to the story is that anyone?

If Whitley Grey Alien is just a figment of his imagination, what does that tell us about Abductions are all those people delusional, liars?

two) Whitley experiences the ones I believe are genuine, occurred around a local cabin in upstate New York 1985, which is not too far from the Hudson valley area.

The Hudson valley sightings Started somewhere around 1982 I believe? and on up till 1989 or that, I will have to look that up for proper confirming. Philip Imbrogno interviewed a number of people who claimed contact with non human intelligences back then, so it is very possible and the time-line does help him, that Whitley was one of those souls, that unfortunately was picked on by these non humans for observation.

 

[tyder001]

I think Whitley has a fasinating story to tell. If I remember correctly he has written that he now beleives he has had these "encounters" all of his life. I first heard about him back in the day when I devoured horror novels (my teen and young adult years) like candy. I read Wolfen (later made into a movie) and was very suprised when he first came "out" with his "visitor" accounts.

 

[Kieran]

I think Whitley has a fasinating story to tell. If I remember correctly he has written that he now beleives he has had these "encounters" all of his life. I first heard about him back in the day when I devoured horror novels (my teen and young adult years) like candy. I read Wolfen (later made into a movie) and was very suprised when he first came "out" with his "visitor" accounts.

I can only confirm the creature part, the experience was very real for them. I have never seen Aliens, so I can't say they exist for real!

But I can tell you, my Aunt and Uncle never even associated that experience with Aliens, they'd both just thought it was something evil ,that was somehow connected with the house they once occupied, Ghosts seem to have presence there also, I was only around 4 or 5 at that time, I'm 33 now.

Anything else he has claimed is not anything I can trust or believe (it just stories to me) the creature description does at least have some meaning to me personally, if you get me?

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Whitley is an intelligent guy, even if he has some crazy theories, I don't know why he does believe in everything, I think for the most part he just wants to please and keep people interested in him. If you watch some videos he done way back when communion came out, he was bright and quick witted really an enjoy to watch, maybe he has gone slightly mad with what he has experienced who would blame him!

I love his comments about the Irish, I think he understand that the UFO phenomenon has got some history with the Irish race, actually Jeff Ritzman from Paratopia brought it up a few months back talking about that very same thing. He used to attend Abduction Conferences I forget the years he said, I actually forget the location as well. Anyway he said nearly everyone he spoke to at those conferences who claimed abduction had Irish decent or Germanic decent. Well Jeff and Whitley have said lot of people have that genetic marker when abducted.

For me personally (everyone has their own personal theory about the UFO phenomenon) The Celtic/Vedic legends including the myths of the Tuátha dé dannann are true, to me some of those legends read like actual history not something made up.

 

[tyder001]

Although I'm Southern and an American I do have Irish/German ancestry. Actually, many people from the southeast do have Irish ancestry. Also, have a little Cherokee mixed in. I would love to visit Ireland someday. My wife's family are also of Irish decent so I know we would love to see it.

 

[Kieran]

Although I'm Southern and an American I do have Irish/German ancestry. Actually, many people from the southeast do have Irish ancestry. Also, have a little Cherokee mixed in. I would love to visit Ireland someday. My wife's family are also of Irish decent so I know we would love to see it.

Well I can only trust what they say is true. Their life experiences seems to suggest there is a high abduction rate among people with that Genetic marker, that suggests something if you get me? There is reports of other people from different races getting abducted, but just higher percentages with Irish and Germanic people.

It's a lovely country if it's dry not raining. Ireland is very modern not like you seen in the movies, of course you'll still find parts that are very rural no leprechauns to be found unfortunately!

 

[Ron Collins]

For a very long time I have been a fan of the notion that the creatures abductees see are based largely on a an evolution of a perception of a real being. I know that was a little bit of word pizza so I will try to explain better. I think that there cold be an actual creature, whatever they are and wherever they come from aside, that looks loosely like creatures from all the mythological past but that image to us is amplified and supplemented by cultural consciousness and popular imagery. I think that whatever it is could possibly be humanoid in overall appearance yet odd enough to attract immediate attention. The human mind fills in gaps in perception with congruency learned from experience and direct previous knowledge. it may be possible that whatever technology employed to mask their presence is responsible for the inconsistency reported. We may be seeing the human mind at work trying to replace missing information with the most probable congruency and pulling from popular imagery to assist in filling in the blanks.

 

[trainedobserver]

I also found it interesting in the movie the Grey was portrayed as not being real, it was just an outfit that the stocky creatures wore, least that was my Impression.

I think the stocky blue guys and the grey guys are supposed to be understood as separate things. I think in the movie they are trying to show that the things Whitley sees and remembers aren't the "real faces" of the Visitors.

In Strieber's books the Visitors as he refers to them, come in different forms. He claims to have seen dozens of the grey models stacked in some sort of storage facility inactive, as though they were inanimate dolls. He says also he has or had a "special relationship" (yes let your imagination run wild) with a female Visitor who looks like the thing on the cover of Communion.

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The human mind fills in gaps in perception with congruency learned from experience and direct previous knowledge. it may be possible that whatever technology employed to mask their presence is responsible for the inconsistency reported. We may be seeing the human mind at work trying to replace missing information with the most probable congruency and pulling from popular imagery to assist in filling in the blanks.

I think you're right. One thing from Strieber's early description of his encounters were that the things looked so "alien" that he had a hard time "seeing them." Our brain/mind systems may not have the right codec to properly render them. Its just a speculation but I think that it is possible that the technology they employ or maybe its just their nature itself, has a direct influence on the very substance that constitutes our minds.

 

[Kieran]

I think the stocky blue guys and the grey guys are supposed to be understood as separate things. I think in the movie they are trying to show that the things Whitley sees and remembers aren't the "real faces" of the Visitors.

In Strieber's books the Visitors as he refers to them, come in different forms. He claims to have seen dozens of the grey models stacked in some sort of storage facility inactive, as though they were inanimate dolls. He says also he has or had a "special relationship" (yes let your imagination run wild) with a female Visitor who looks like the thing on the cover of Communion.

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I thought, that too that both were separate from one another, but one scene in the movie, I have to watch it again now, because of this, anyway, when Whitley removed the lower part of the Grey creature face, something else more frightening was hiding behind it a lizard or something like that, it is a weird film to watch, even for a person like me who is somewhat knowledgeable with the UFO phenomenon.

I never got that impression from the movie the Hooded creatures weren't real, this of course is the movies impression of what Whitley saw, I not sure what kind of input Whitley had here, but I have Family members who have experienced, visually four hooded beings creatures little men who knows what to be honest, that came into their room and do something to my aunt. It's bloody weird I know, but Train I can only tell you want they told me, and if you knew them, you would believe them, I bet you!

With anything he published after Communion, and yes he was trying to make sense of his alleged encounters even in Communion, but he wasn't well know in the UFO community before he published that book, any thoughts after could be considerable different to what actually took place, as he Whitley stated lot of his experiences ended shortly there after. Whitley could me adding stuff to his experiences, since the visitors had no more interest in him seemly since the 80's!