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There has been one such case (a filmed entry into the atmosphere and then a turnaround exiting back into space) that got leaked some years ago (I think it was from one of the NORAD platforms).
Do you know how to get on his PL?I think that he and the other high-level researchers at NARCAP probably do know about it. If someone had asked him about it, it might have turned into a very interesting discussion. He said in his last post in the thread concerning his Paracast interview that all these people follow the ufo subject and discuss recent significant cases, often on private lists.
Evidence confiscated may only mean that those in possession of said evidence may not have the clearance for what that data represents. What that means - who knows, could be aliens, could be intelligent balls of light, or could be test craft? The only thing's for certain is that we are in fact seeing evidence of a control system at work, a very human one.
As ive stated before the post biological hypothesis ticks a number of boxes for me personally
Evidence confiscated may only mean that those in possession of said evidence may not have the clearance for what that data represents. What that means - who knows, could be aliens, could be intelligent balls of light, or could be test craft? The only thing's for certain is that we are in fact seeing evidence of a control system at work, a very human one.
I would go one rung up the ladder of paranoia and say that these confiscations and warnings may not originate with human agencies at all. Perhaps the "agents" who confiscate and dole out stern warnings are either an alien intelligence or humans unwittingly operating on their behalf. Very woo-woo I admit. But then so is any possible explanation for the government's role in this.
Of course were just having fun bantering “what ifs”. I seriously doubt the military would truly have any idea what these things may possibly represent. I would also doubt that these “things” whatever they may represent, are here to harm us. I would suggest that we would not be here right now typing away if an intention was of harm. The universe is a big place, let alone the unknown, and unobservable. All of this understandably becomes problematic with the narratives that have been handed down over, perhaps centuries. I guess that’s just the way I would look at it as of right now.
For whatever its worth, I’ve been following a few philosophers of science who propose that there may be areas of the unknown, unobservable universe that follow entirely different physical laws than ours. One philosopher in particular has placed forth a theory that he believes is testable. This theory suggests that woven into the fabric of our universe may reside a mechanism that is able to learn over time, in remembering the physical properties of newly developed materials which have never been introduced into our universe. He went on to speculate that if this theory were to be actually proven, there may then be ways of detecting civilizations that exist or have existed anywhere in which our particular physical laws apply.
I guess what I’m getting at here is that even though Hart-Fermi sounds most reasonable, and UAPs seem to defy our particular laws of physics, there may be another possible explanation for these sightings. And that is because these UAPs may emerge from an area of the unknown, unobservable universe where the physical laws may be different than ours. In saying all of this, NARCAP, or anyone else that we know of for that matter, has ever documented a UAP both entering, and then exiting our atmosphere. I also realize that this comes as no great comfort to the true UAP experiencer.
Give it a chance. It still is. When I use the word "problems" I don't mean you personally have "problems". I mean I see problems within the position put forward that if clarified and discussed rationally might lead to a clearer picture and some interesting discussion. But if this is going to go the way of Mr. NARCAP again, where everything I say gets taken personally, then that's another story.It was a nice friendly exchange while it lasted.
Well, that all just sounds more like a good plot line for a sci-fi movie, but I'm not sure so much of its reality. I could see corporate powers pulling deeper strings that control the military fantasies of the industrial light and sound complex that is technological advancement. But beyond that we're heading into breakaway civilization territory and maybe Bigelow is just one small example of that.I would go one rung up the ladder of paranoia and say that these confiscations and warnings may not originate with human agencies at all. Perhaps the "agents" who confiscate and dole out stern warnings are either an alien intelligence or humans unwittingly operating on their behalf. Very woo-woo I admit. But then so is any possible explanation for the government's role in this.
Randall, it’s pretty obvious when you start a post in the way in which you presented it, I have a fairly good idea of where it’s going. And it’s not as though I’m not interested in what you have to say, it’s just the way in which you’re probably going to say it. Besides, I have to leave the basement for a while in order to eke out my financial existence.Give it a chance. It still is. When I use the word "problems" I don't mean you personally have "problems". I mean I see problems within the position put forward that if clarified and discussed rationally might lead to a clearer picture and some interesting discussion. But if this is going to go the way of Mr. NARCAP again, where everything I say gets taken personally, then that's another story.
Maybe the way you think I say it has more to do with the personal filters applied on your end than what is actually being said. My only intent in starting with a disclaimer on the word UAP, is because you used it, and therefore it needs to be addressed, but because we've had problems with that recently, I want to head off another repeat session of that nonsense. Like @Gene Steinberg said on the Paracast ( to paraphrase ), "It seems that when on a forum, sometimes people are more bold or prone to saying things they wouldn't normally say in person."Randall, it’s pretty obvious when you start a post in the way in which you presented it, I have a fairly good idea of where it’s going. And it’s not as though I’m not interested in what you have to say, it’s just the way in which you’re probably going to say it. Besides, I have to leave the basement for a while in order to eke out my financial existence.
It is entirely possible that every single impression you have had so far is a misinterpretation and/or exaggeration focused more on my intent than on the content. In fact, you have no evidence to indicate otherwise. So why perpetuate a false impression rather than discussing the points you raised in your post? They are interesting enough without getting derailed on presumptions about personalities, and by addressing the content, we might just make some progress. Don't you think? Here's the link again to where we can continue with the discussion and leave this part of the conversation behind: Philosophy, Science, and the Unexplained | Page 47 | The Paracast Community ForumsIf an isolated case I would agree, but not so.