In praise of U.S citizens

[flipper]

I think terms like "the super rich" or "the one percenters" are used by unscrupulous politicians to promote social envy which they use to get votes.

If your interested in who they are and what they own:
These 161 directors are part of Rothkopf’s superclass. Given their control over $23.91 trillion, Western governments and international policy bodies serve the interests of this financial core of the TCC. Wars are initiated to protect their interests, and to promote the free flow of global capital for investment anywhere that returns are possible. Identifying the people with such power and influence is an important part of any democratic movement seeking to protect our commons so that all humans might share and prosper.37
Exposing the Financial Core of the Transnational Capitalist Class | Global Research

 

[pduchesne]

If your interested in who they are and what they own:
These 161 directors are part of Rothkopf’s superclass. Given their control over $23.91 trillion, Western governments and international policy bodies serve the interests of this financial core of the TCC. Wars are initiated to protect their interests, and to promote the free flow of global capital for investment anywhere that returns are possible. Identifying the people with such power and influence is an important part of any democratic movement seeking to protect our commons so that all humans might share and prosper.37
Exposing the Financial Core of the Transnational Capitalist Class | Global Research

Okay, now I think you and I are starting to get on the same page. If you are talking about the "too big to fail" tycoons who conspire with politicians to harvest our votes and wealth, then I'll storm the castle with you. Figuratively of course. But we aren't talking about the 1%ers here. These guys are more like the .01%ers. Our president just won an election partly by stoking rage against people who live in big houses and drive nice cars, while he partied with the people you're talking about.
And I'll still take our farked up system over Marxism.

 

[manxman]

pretty interesting that link flipper.

 

[Charlie Prime]

I define "the super-rich" or "Elites" as any person who controls more than 1 Billion U.S. dollars worth of assets.

I looked up the data last year. That set contains approximately 3,000 people, or 0.0002% of the world's population.

 

[Charlie Prime]

And I'll still take our farked up system over Marxism.

That's the brilliance of it. Our system IS a form of Marxism, but people think it's not.

The bankers of Wall Street and City of London recognized in the late 19th century that Socialism was exactly the control system they had been looking for. This is why banksters funded the popular socialist movements of Lenin, Wilson, and Hitler, and continue to do so today.

 

[flipper]

I define "the super-rich" or "Elites" as any person who controls more than 1 Billion U.S. dollars worth of assets.

I looked up the data last year. That set contains approximately 3,000 people, or 0.0002% of the world's population.

Being a billionaire should be considered a crime against humanity!

 

[flipper]

[qthink t="flipper, post: 184561, member: 6529"]

Sorry to butt in, but flipper, you have me very confused. How can you say that the libertarianish sentiments and video posted by Charlie are your hope too, but then post links to Marxist videos? I'm not trying to be confrontational, as I genuinely appreciate your consistently civil tone. I just want to understand your thought process.

I will attempt to answer your comments and questions in order.
There is a book called Demanding the Impossible by Peter Marshall. Demanding the Impossible: A History of Anarchism: Peter Marshall: 9781604860641: Books - Amazon.ca It explains the different kinds of anarchism. There is a wide range of thought on this subject from communist anarchists to individualist anarchists. Charlie and I agree, I think, that people should not be made to do things that they do not want to do, and that the current system is not fair (i.e.) that the sociopaths run the corporations, that the corporations make the laws, and the government acts as their enforcer. Therefore, I think the differences between Charlie and I is that I do not think anyone should be able to acquire too much wealth which gives them too much power. The people who actually make the stuff should own it. Secondly, I would put an emphasis on that people need to look after one another. Really there is enough wealth that even if someone has made themselves destitute because of there own folly that they still could have food, shelter, and medical care.
I am wondering if you are confusing Marxist analysis ( a way of analyzing the economic system) with Marxist dogma ( a way society must be run.) If you read the thread the blob it might explain some more of Charlie's and my thinking The Blob | The Paracast Community Forums
Finally I do not think that Charlie watched the video. The video and the website explain how people are taking control of their workplace and their cities, which I think Charlie would agree with them doing. Charlie has an idea of what human society should look like but no suggestions of how to get there. U.S citizens should be proud of what they are actually doing in spite of great opposition. I would also include preppies, homesteaders, and survivalist as part of the U.S people's struggle for justice, fairness and control by the people. They (you) should be proud.

 

[Charlie Prime]

Being a billionaire should be considered a crime against humanity!

There is nothing inherently wrong with being wealthy. The problem is when people use force, fraud, and coercion to become rich or maintain wealth.

A free society can be achieved by a long, slow campaign of education, the same way chattel slavery was mostly abolished in the 19th century.

Tell a businessman in a pub in Sao Paulo, Brazil in 1542 that someday Brazil would not import slaves because the practice is immoral, and he would say that is a pipe dream and you are insane.

 

[manxman]

I will attempt to answer your comments and questions in order.
There is a book called Demanding the Impossible by Peter Marshall. Demanding the Impossible: A History of Anarchism: Peter Marshall: 9781604860641: Books - Amazon.ca It explains the different kinds of anarchism. There is a wide range of thought on this subject from communist anarchists to individualist anarchists. Charlie and I agree, I think, that people should not be made to do things that they do not want to do, and that the current system is not fair (i.e.) that the sociopaths run the corporations, that the corporations make the laws, and the government acts as their enforcer. Therefore, I think the differences between Charlie and I is that I do not think anyone should be able to acquire too much wealth which gives them too much power. The people who actually make the stuff should own it. Secondly, I would put an emphasis on that people need to look after one another. Really there is enough wealth that even if someone has made themselves destitute because of there own folly that they still could have food, shelter, and medical care.
I am wondering if you are confusing Marxist analysis ( a way of analyzing the economic system) with Marxist dogma ( a way society must be run.) If you read the thread the blob it might explain some more of Charlie's and my thinking The Blob | The Paracast Community Forums
Finally I do not think that Charlie watched the video. The video and the website explain how people are taking control of their workplace and their cities, which I think Charlie would agree with them doing. Charlie has an idea of what human society should look like but no suggestions of how to get there. U.S citizens should be proud of what they are actually doing in spite of great opposition. I would also include preppies, homesteaders, and survivalist as part of the U.S people's struggle for justice, fairness and control by the people. They (you) should be proud.

i agree flipper, but america is built on the backs of the rest of the world, its easy to be on the top of the mountain and make decrees.
see how america would get on WITHOUT its blood taint stolen natural rescources, trading for them, instead of killing for them, just sayin.

 

[flipper]

i agree flipper, but america is built on the backs of the rest of the world, its easy to be on the top of the mountain and make decrees.
see how america would get on WITHOUT its blood taint stolen natural rescources, trading for them, instead of killing for them, just sayin.

This is a most brilliant observation, because I have had the same thought. I think the ones that annoy me most are the activist. They want to get The United States to start working again, stop U.S. environmental degradation but no a word about anybody else's concern. The Keystone pipeline is an example. There is not one word from anybody that if the Albertans want to wreck their environment that they should get to refine their oil and turn it into what ever product they desire, instead of sending way down south.
Some U.S. citizens complain about illegal immigrants but it because they have taken away the peasant corn farmers ability to grow their own food. Therefore the only work is in the U.S. We will not talk about Mexico's oil. I believe the southern U.S. was stolen from Mexico anyway. Mexicans are just taking it back.

The immigration problem could easily be changed into an emigration problem by insisting that the resources be developed and turned into manufactured goods, in the country, by the people whose feet they are under, if they desire to change what they have now. Then you watch the people of the north head south.
Here are some other fixes that I have thought about. If we made the car companies pay for the roads like the train companies, or even have public railroads, we could have almost free transportation, solve the CO2 crises and reduce the massive amount of deaths and injuries.

Here is another suggestion to save money and have real democracy. Instead of elections we could have a lottery. It would mean that not just millionaires wanting to become billionaires could run the government but a good cross section of all walks of life would be sent to have their say in running the country. They could not do worse than what is happening now.

Anyway I started this thread because I think the U.S. citizens are doing a great job in fighting the corporations that are conspiring against them. It is most important they not realize what is going on because they are the heart of the empire.

 

[pduchesne]

... I think, that people should not be made to do things that they do not want to do, ...

What if they don't want to "pay their fair share"?

...I do not think anyone should be able to acquire too much wealth which gives them too much power...

How would this work? If someone had a billion dollars, and that was the limit, would he have to take his money out of the bank so he didn't earn interest? Would he have to turn his business over to the government for distribution to his employees?

...Really there is enough wealth that even if someone has made themselves destitute because of there own folly that they still could have food, shelter, and medical care.
...

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of people who would opt for this rather than work for a living. But I'm cynical by nature.

...I am wondering if you are confusing Marxist analysis ( a way of analyzing the economic system) with Marxist dogma ( a way society must be run.)...

What I think about Marxism is derived from having read the Communist Manifesto. My opinion is that Marx was a douche.

 

[flipper]

Last week I watched a five-part biography of Napoleon Bonaparte. What an azzhole. He killed three MILLION people (back when that was a large number of people) and became immensely wealthy. He accomplished that by playing on the envy of the lower classes, while at the same time looting them. Faces change, but the grift remains the same.

 

[Charlie Prime]

It was actually this one...

It was actually only four parts.

His wife was a bit of a slut it seems.

 

[Charlie Prime]

Sidenote. This is a really good episode of Booknotes. I will have my local library retrieve this guy's book because I've always been fascinated with how utterly evil LBJ was. This writer Robert Caro seems like what a real historian should be.

I used to spend a lot of time reading at the LBJ library. It's right next to Interstate-35 and worth a visit. I've been to the Johnson Ranch were his law firm kept him doped up by a psychiatrist the last year of his life so he wouldn't "talk" to anyone. The ranch is a spooky place. It has a bad "feel".