It did not walk, it glided

[mike]

Mike, I recall you mentioned in another post- you have a typical looking grey alien "dummy" set up in your home, in an area where one could view it from outside the house. If true, and visible when the old man approached your wife- could that be the more obvious reason for his odd statements/behavior? (again, assuming the prop was already set up)

No it wasnt in the window at that point, we had never met him prior to that (i never met him at all) The RAAF gave me his name.
I put the dummy in the window in the hopes of encouraging him to approach me. but he never did. (It did on the other hand attract the local kids, and once an entire mini bus of jehovas witness, who milled around in the driveway for about a half an hour)

To expand a little on this aspect he told my wife a lot of things about the underground base

He described its location and the specific valley you need to use to get there. He said if you go down a particular path you will hear loud verbal warnings to "get out" and "go back" and that if you persist they will take you and "put a wire in your head"
He said always take a dog with you, when the dog stops and refuses to go any further, thats a sign your in the right place.
He also said he'd seen a craft crash into a particular rocky ridge, a claim confirmed by the RAAF who told me they investigated this and even took a geiger counter to the alleged crash site but that no evidence to support the claim was found.

I googled alien base in blue mountains.....

Seems to be a local meme

UFO Base Under The Blue Mountains


Well well well

Murphys Glen in the Blue Mountains National Park has lately been the scene of some unusual happenings. Recently Steven Burroughs of Woodford was camping in the glen when he observed mysterious lights flying overhead to descend among the trees of nearby forest

Murphys Glen is at the end of the road i live on, in Woodford.

This is more or less the same spot "old Frank" as he was known describes the base as being located

 

[pixelsmith]

Show me one single post of mine that is skeptical towards someone's personal experience itself. You can't do it. What I am sometimes skeptical about is the conclusions that some people draw from these experiences or claims that people refuse to provide evidence for. I've stated many times that I have no problem believing that strange things happen to people and I would never call somebody a liar on their own personal account of an incident for which I was not present.

i will take your word for it. thanks for the reply.

 

[starise]

Claims without evidence are pretty common round' these here parts.

 

[pixelsmith]

This was prior to the internets, I had never heard of "tall" greys that inconsistancy helped me keep my sanity. it couldnt have been real, greys were only 3 feet tall in the books....
This thing barely made it under the door frame, It wasnt glowing in the sense it lit up the room or anything like that, but it was also more visable than it should have been in a pitch dark house, a pale blue/grey

is it possible that is was a small grey hovering/gliding 3 feet off the ground that appeared to be a tall grey?

 

[Wade]

No it wasnt in the window at that point, we had never met him prior to that (i never met him at all) The RAAF gave me his name.
I put the dummy in the window in the hopes of encouraging him to approach me. but he never did. (It did on the other hand attract the local kids, and once an entire mini bus of jehovas witness, who milled around in the driveway for about a half an hour)

To expand a little on this aspect he told my wife a lot of things about the underground base

He described its location and the specific valley you need to use to get there. He said if you go down a particular path you will hear loud verbal warnings to "get out" and "go back" and that if you persist they will take you and "put a wire in your head"
He said always take a dog with you, when the dog stops and refuses to go any further, thats a sign your in the right place.
He also said he'd seen a craft crash into a particular rocky ridge, a claim confirmed by the RAAF who told me they investigated this and even took a geiger counter to the alleged crash site but that no evidence to support the claim was found.

I googled alien base in blue mountains.....

Seems to be a local meme

UFO Base Under The Blue Mountains


Well well well



Murphys Glen is at the end of the road i live on, in Woodford.

This is more or less the same spot "old Frank" as he was known describes the base as being located

Although you'll probably disagree mike, I find the aftermath of this account just as compelling as your apparent nighttime visitation

 

[Muadib]

Although you'll probably disagree mike, I find the aftermath of this account just as compelling as your apparent nighttime visitation

I'd agree with that 100%. I find the old man that seemed to know something had happened, even though there was no apparent way for him to know, to be the most interesting part of this experience.

 

[mike]

is it possible that is was a small grey hovering/gliding 3 feet off the ground that appeared to be a tall grey?

No its legs went all the way to the floor.

I remember thinking in the days faterwards, well it cant have been real greys are only 3 feet tall, this was at least 7 feet tall.
It wasnt until years later that i read about "tall greys" on the net

 

[Burnt State]

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Here goes and let the chips fall where they may.

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I had an experience that was typical, maybe of an abduction/contact maybe of sleep paralysis.

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It seemed 100 percent real, still does, but i cant prove it was one or the other.
What i can say is it scared the very humanity from my mind, left me a gibbering ape trapped in a place of unimaginable terror, to the point i (or so it seemed) passed out in fright.

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"your husband he's seen the aliens"

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And we also have a water feature that runs the length of the house, which includes 3 polished black rocks set together on a part of the feature.
One day one was missing, it turned up in the upstairs closet. there is no logical explanation how it got there.

The recreation you were compelled to make scared the hell out of me the morning I opened up my email in bed, in the dark. It was an interesting experience. But I really needed to mull over your story before responding. That's quite the dramatic model and really well executed. Can I ask you some questions on this or would you rather a PM?

I'm curious to know about a few features of your story, such as: why did you put the model up in the house, for how long, and how did you feel about the model while it was up and when it was gone? How big/heavy is the polished stone you found in the closet?

The discussion about the old man and confirmations from the RAAF - how did that all shake down in the end? That part obviously moves the story out of the sleep paralysis camp and into somewhere else. Smells and being able to see while paralyzed also rule out the night terror syndrome. Why did the RAAF give you his name and have you talked with the guy about your wife's conversation wth him?

Why did you post about your wife's UFO experiences and do you feel they are connected to yours?

The parts about the fear fits with the night terror but yours sounds worse. How do you feel about the experience now? Have you gone down that path and heard the verbal warnings?

This is such an intriguing tale - I hope you don't mind all the questions.

 

[mike]

I'll do my best

I make models, i wanted a small grey so i built one. To take that picture i had to stand it on a table to fit my experience.

I built it prior to this experience, and it originally had a machined aluminium device in its hand that lit up with a blue light, its in need a of refurbishment and i plan to one day fix the electrics and give it a coat of latex rubber.
As an aside when adults come up the stairs and clap eyes on it where it stands today they react with shock and aversion, children on the otherhand seem to be delighted and run up to it with no fear.

The polished rock is a pebble about the size of a walnut, its original location is not accessable by any of the dogs.

I dont know why the RAAF gave me his name, but i got the sense it was to close the conversation, sort of like "yeah yeah we know about this, nothing to see here"

He has since passed away according to the lady who now lives in his house (shes a member of the same local bushfire brigade as i am). I never spoke to him

I havent tried to visit the area, i do walk my dogs down that road sometimes but never stray far from the road itself

I include my wifes experiences as background detail to the situation, if and i say if this is a real ET /abduction scenario it may be she is the focus not me.

I was profoundly effected by the experience (whatever it was)
According to the two doctors that clapped eyes on me when i turned up for work that day, i exhibited the signs of shock, I had no intention of telling anyone about what had happened, but as soon as i walked in the door people started asking "whats wrong ?"
There was no internet at the time , and i eventually contacted the local Mufon type ppl.
They wanted to give me hypnotic regression, but i refused.
At the time the rationale was better not to know, the element of doubt was an island of sanity for me, I did not want confirmation in any way shape or form.

I like to think i would be calmer in a repeat scenario, but as i lay awake in the small hours contemplating this very theme recently, the TV in the bedroom gave of a "tick" which it sometimes does i assume due to contraction of some component during atmospheric changes in the night and i damn near jumped out of my skin.

Ive been in life threateing situations, car crashes, a rock climbing accident where i thought i was going to die, a thug with a knife in a dark alley.

The fear associated with this event went well beyond any of these events.

It robbed me of all rational thought, left me a mindless beast, I literally passed out in fright.
My brain shut down rather than edure it, or so it seemed

when i woke the next morning it wasnt the slow return from dreamland i normally associate with waking. It was like a bolt of electricity went through me, i jolted wide awake and lept from bed like my ass was on fire, and stood there panting with my arms stretched out either side of me

 

[Stagger Lee]

I'm curious, why haven't you gone further down that path- the one the old man warned about? Do you not want to draw any attention to yourself, regarding what might be going on in or around that mountain?

 

[Wade]

I'll do my best

I make models, i wanted a small grey so i built one. To take that picture i had to stand it on a table to fit my experience.

I built it prior to this experience, and it originally had a machined aluminium device in its hand that lit up with a blue light, its in need a of refurbishment and i plan to one day fix the electrics and give it a coat of latex rubber.
As an aside when adults come up the stairs and clap eyes on it where it stands today they react with shock and aversion, children on the otherhand seem to be delighted and run up to it with no fear.

The polished rock is a pebble about the size of a walnut, its original location is not accessable by any of the dogs.

I dont know why the RAAF gave me his name, but i got the sense it was to close the conversation, sort of like "yeah yeah we know about this, nothing to see here"

He has since passed away according to the lady who now lives in his house (shes a member of the same local bushfire brigade as i am). I never spoke to him

I havent tried to visit the area, i do walk my dogs down that road sometimes but never stray far from the road itself

I include my wifes experiences as background detail to the situation, if and i say if this is a real ET /abduction scenario it may be she is the focus not me.

I was profoundly effected by the experience (whatever it was)
According to the two doctors that clapped eyes on me when i turned up for work that day, i exhibited the signs of shock, I had no intention of telling anyone about what had happened, but as soon as i walked in the door people started asking "whats wrong ?"
There was no internet at the time , and i eventually contacted the local Mufon type ppl.
They wanted to give me hypnotic regression, but i refused.
At the time the rationale was better not to know, the element of doubt was an island of sanity for me, I did not want confirmation in any way shape or form.

I like to think i would be calmer in a repeat scenario, but as i lay awake in the small hours contemplating this very theme recently, the TV in the bedroom gave of a "tick" which it sometimes does i assume due to contraction of some component during atmospheric changes in the night and i damn near jumped out of my skin.

Ive been in life threateing situations, car crashes, a rock climbing accident where i thought i was going to die, a thug with a knife in a dark alley.

The fear associated with this event went well beyond any of these events.

It robbed me of all rational thought, left me a mindless beast, I literally passed out in fright.
My brain shut down rather than edure it, or so it seemed

when i woke the next morning it wasnt the slow return from dreamland i normally associate with waking. It was like a bolt of electricity went through me, i jolted wide awake and lept from bed like my ass was on fire, and stood there panting with my arms stretched out either side of me

And it’s that level of fear…sometimes irrationally…that gets mentioned in accounts like these that I find fascinating. I say irrationally because in some reports, assuming that they aren’t hoaxes, people report when coming into contact with other entities a sense of fear, sometimes debilitating, even though that in which they are in contact with shows no sign of aggression or ill intent ( just reporting the obvious I know). At the risk of sounding morbid or kinky, I would wonder that had mike’s intruder been a common burglar would his fear had been any less. There is no way to tell really but given that the intent of the burglar would…unlike many entity contact cases…been of ill intent, then certainly the fear level would expected to be amped up. Waking up to any kind of intruder, be it an alien, thief, a child or a pet when we are at our most vulnerable has to rate on the level of being buried alive as one of our deepest fears.

I mentioned in another thread, and sort of touched on it in this one in response to a posting by muadib about my many cases, chronic even, of hypnopompia ( now pretty much conquered) and while I am in no way trying to equate this with mike’s experience. I was always intrigued by the fact that when these attacks occurred I felt the fear of presence and then the paralysis and labored breathing would kick in. I would think that the fear of intrusion would come as a natural reaction of being subject to the feeling of helplessness associated with paralysis yet whenever these attacks were going to happen I knew/felt it coming before the other symptoms kicked in.
In a side note, when I was a kid and had bad dreams where I woke up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom and I got to a certain point and was paralyzed and then a group of monsters would come out of their hiding places and approach me and I would try to yell, but couldn’t of course, and just before they were on top of me I would break free and throw myself down the stairs (ouch) to the well-lit safety of the kitchen where mom and dad would inevitable coming running to find out what happened. I mention this because these dreams occurred when I was eight or so (and up) and had no idea about the old hag syndrome…in the folkloric sense…so it wasn’t a pavlovian reaction by any means. Having said that, I really can’t remember if I experienced any “real time” cases of hypnopompia at that time, even though I did have them at an early age. If I had yet to experience a sleep paraylisis attack in real life, and therefore not yet aware of the expected symptoms of one, I would find my dream experience reactions to be intriguing.

And then you have some people report the disorientation of the "oz" factor but I haven't heard any mention of fear in those cases but anxiety is usually present.

 

[mike]

I'm curious, why haven't you gone further down that path- the one the old man warned about? Do you not want to draw any attention to yourself, regarding what might be going on in or around that mountain?

Honest answer i dont really know, im just not in any way compelled to do it.
On another level i dont like to leave the main fire trail when walking the dogs, here or anywhere for that matter. There are deadly ticks and snakes galore in the bush.
And its tough terrain, all the local police stations have free GPS trackers and are vocal about bushwalkers needing to borrow one when they go bushwalking.

People get lost and injured all the time in the local national park.

As for the possibility of finding an alien base, i just cant imagine it would be as easy as that.

 

[Burnt State]

I'll do my best

I make models, i wanted a small grey so i built one. To take that picture i had to stand it on a table to fit my experience.

I built it prior to this experience, and it originally had a machined aluminium device in its hand that lit up with a blue light.....

It robbed me of all rational thought, left me a mindless beast, I literally passed out in fright.
My brain shut down rather than edure it, or so it seemed

when i woke the next morning it wasnt the slow return from dreamland i normally associate with waking. It was like a bolt of electricity went through me, i jolted wide awake and lept from bed like my ass was on fire, and stood there panting with my arms stretched out either side of me

Mike, thanks for the details. I'm quite fascinated by the abductee tale because if these are really happening then it greatly shifts the UFO event experience from being more than just objects in the sky, or on the ground. This would radically alter their interactions with this planet.

Originally I thought you said that you had made the model in response to the event, but here you are saying that you made it prior to the experience and mounted it on the table later to match the experience - is that right?

What I would like to understand, though I can see that this is a very personal experience, is that given how much fear it induced, and still holds for you, why even have the model around? Doesn't this always remind you is something you'd rather forget and leave deep in the past instead?

The part of the narrative I am most interested in is the old man. The RAAF makes him out to be a crackpot. What dd your wife think of him?

 

[mike]

Mike, thanks for the details. I'm quite fascinated by the abductee tale because if these are really happening then it greatly shifts the UFO event experience from being more than just objects in the sky, or on the ground. This would radically alter their interactions with this planet.

Originally I thought you said that you had made the model in response to the event, but here you are saying that you made it prior to the experience and mounted it on the table later to match the experience - is that right?

What I would like to understand, though I can see that this is a very personal experience, is that given how much fear it induced, and still holds for you, why even have the model around? Doesn't this always remind you is something you'd rather forget and leave deep in the past instead?

The part of the narrative I am most interested in is the old man. The RAAF makes him out to be a crackpot. What dd your wife think of him?

Yes the model was made prior, my house looks like a sci fi convention, i have models everywhere. So a model of an alien isnt out of place in a room with a full sized Star wars stormtrooper next to the bookcase.
Ive got full sized klingon batleths on the wall, and models from just about every show you can imagine Dr Who, voyage to the bottom of the sea, battlestar galactica, space1999, 2001 ASO, Battlemechs..... the list goes on and on.

Even my avatar here is a model i made. (that same one)

I made the grey as part of my overall sci fi collection, and yes had to mount it on a table to get it to match the visual of the experience as its much shorter than what i saw.

In the light of day it doesnt scare me, nor does the idea of turning round right now and seeing one standing in the hall. The fear i felt during the experience seems abnormal to me.
Perhaps it was because i was in bed, naked, in a dark house at the time, i dont know.

My wife thought he was odd, and subsequent enquirys with other neighbours elicted replys like "Old frank ?, hes harmless" with a rolled eyes sort of sentiment.

But given the subject matter thats to be expected. as i'm sure most ppl here can identify, If you talk like that ppl call you crazy . to quote Dr frankenstein from the movie.

Henry Frankenstein: Dangerous? Poor old Waldman. Have you never wanted to do anything that was dangerous? Where should we be if no one tried to find out what lies beyond? Have your never wanted to look beyond the clouds and the stars, or to know what causes the trees to bud? And what changes the darkness into light? But if you talk like that, people call you crazy. Well, if I could discover just one of these things, what eternity is, for example, I wouldn't care if they did think I was crazy.

 

[Burnt State]

Yes the model was made prior, my house looks like a sci fi convention, i have models everywhere. So a model of an alien isnt out of place in a room with a full sized Star wars stormtrooper next to the bookcase...

Sounds like an interesting house. We still have a giant four foot wide, menacing bat hanging from the ceiling from two Hallowe'ens ago, and our own personal artwork is, if anything, a bit bizarre, so I can appreciate your approach to home decor.

Even my avatar here is a model...

In the light of day it doesnt scare me, nor does the idea of turning round right now and seeing one standing in the hall. The fear i felt during the experience seems abnormal to me.
Perhaps it was because i was in bed, naked, in a dark house at the time, i dont know.

Anyone who has known terror, knows it to be an abnormal experience, the more terrifying, the more abnormal.

My wife thought he was odd, and subsequent enquirys with other neighbours elicted replys like "Old frank ?, hes harmless" with a rolled eyes sort of sentiment.

But given the subject matter thats to be expected. as i'm sure most ppl here can identify, If you talk like that ppl call you crazy

It's true, you have to be careful with what you say, especially regarding the notion of abduction by aliens, as what could be more 'crazy' than that? I think you have had a unique experience, but be it alien or night terror, that still seems up in the air. I know that the intensity experience stays with us permanently and that you've been smart by staying away from hypnosis or anything that might alter the memory you do have. Whatever it was, I wish you well, and hope it never happens again.

Regarding Franky quote: you know, when we dare to seek that which dwells in the nebulous world of myth, monster and the bizarre, there is a price to be paid, and not always an easy one.