James Carrion, Ghost Rockets, Roswell & the Hole in Ufology's Bucket

[Open-Minded-Earthling]

Ah, I see. The MIC has an agenda that trumps the agendas of all other individuals and organizations living in this country and on this planet, whose humbler agenda is to find out and comprehend the actual conditions of their existence and the existence of their children. You would have made "a well-adjusted Nazi".

No, you definitely do not see. You are blind to your animus. Wow, a well-adjusted Nazi?

How pathetically low you are stooping now to characterize what I do not necessarily condone, approve of, or believe-in. IF you wanted to be accurate, then you should say, by a well intentioned method of thinking, that the MIC is a Nazi-like organization. But, instead, you just want to go on "the attack" to falsify what I think about this in terms of whether or not I approve what these MIC special interests do, to be judgmental, to pass a sentence, to now characterize my opinion as being like "a well-adjusted Nazi". Sadly, you are a complete an utter failure to think clearly and rationally about this by that kind of snide remark and personal attack.

I don't control 'what' or 'why' or 'how' the MIC special interests may engage in disinformation and propaganda, nor do I have "to agree" with their methods just because this may be some special interests goals and motivations. So, how is it even possible that you will even dare to say: "You would have made a well-adjusted Nazi".

That's almost bat shit crazy...

 

[Constance]

Maybe, then, OME, you should reread the post I responded to and show me where (and why) I should have read it differently:

To address your point at the top of this post specifically too: I've already posted these reasons before... Why would the MIC or military want to cooperate with any of the civilian UFO reporting services? It's not helpful for their agendas to reveal anything about classified flying aircraft to any civilian group, period, ever. So, why do you think you're entitled to this information? Seriously? These are the most protected secrets within the military that force them to use deception and disinformation... Why? I already posted this... These craft fly in our skies, so it's advantageous to let people think these are ET UFO's and not human made.

 

[Open-Minded-Earthling]

You seem to recognize the importance of written sources, texts, in ufo research but not where new theories are being proposed concerning the interpretation of ufos and other phenomena (along with the recommendation that we jettison the body of texts constituting existing ufo research). What justifies this inconsistency?

Where did I ever specifically suggest, as you say I said, that I ever gave: "the recommendation that we jettison the body of texts constituting existing ufo research". Please quote me.

 

[Constance]

Where did I ever specifically suggest, as you say I said, that I ever gave: "the recommendation that we jettison the body of texts constituting existing ufo research". Please quote me.

Gee I don't have time to go looking for the place where you gave that impression. If you didn't, apologies.

 

[Open-Minded-Earthling]

Professor at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute named Leik Myrabo. I honestly can't figure out which of the questions you need a yes or no to. There's many.

I found two free audio interviews he did if you're interested. I'll be happy to post the links. It's easy to do for you too. Just ask. I'm happy to help-out.

He is retired since 2011. I've seen some of his experiments repeated on the Discovery Channel about 10-15+ years ago.

I'm not at all impressed or convinced that his research has anything to do with what Ray filmed other than maybe it gave him some initial ideas to think about, but we have to take Ray's account as being accurate and true too.

Heck, no one can see the 1985 film without special permission from Ray, so he can and does control who can see it too. It might be natural phenomena or an experiment or ???

Heidi, here is the only yes or no question I asked you about two times in previous posts:

Was he [Leik Myrabo] the same student [in Lambright's book] that also attended the University of Texas and saw Ray's film too? Yes or No ???

I assume you mean "yes" by providing his name, but he did 'not' attend the U of T from what I could find online. I thought Ray's story was that it was a student from the U of T ??? Ray lived in the Austin area during that time he shot the film. There's some pretty weird history online about this about Ray and his brother, and his UFO group back then. This does not indicate Myrabo attended U of T...

Background

L. N. Myrabo received the B.S. degree in Aerospace Engineering from Iowa State University in 1968, and the Ph.D. degree in Engineering Physics from the University of California at San Diego in 1976. After receiving his Ph.D. degree, he spent a total of seven years at Physical Sciences, Inc., W.J. Schafer Associates, and the BDM Corporation, respectively, as a scientist/consultant in directed energy, space prime power, and advanced propulsion research.

 

[Open-Minded-Earthling]

Btw, how does Ray's Stanford's film in 1985 have much to do with giving this guy a heads-up idea??? Seriously, think about the dates here:


L. N. Myrabo received the B.S. degree in Aerospace Engineering from Iowa State University in 1968, and the Ph.D. degree in Engineering Physics from the University of California at San Diego in 1976. After receiving his Ph.D. degree, he spent a total of seven years at Physical Sciences, Inc., W.J. Schafer Associates, and the BDM Corporation, respectively, as a scientist/consultant in directed energy, space prime power, and advanced propulsion research.
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Ray's film was in 1985, so how in the heck is he helping Myrabo out with that film? Just look closely at what this person ALREADY knew and accomplished too by 1983. How does that match-up with Ray's story??? Is Ray telling the truth? Is Ray just jumping onto someone's back of previous accomplishments [by 1983] to hijack Myrabo's accomplished background for Ray's story and 1985 film? Maybe Myrabo gave Ray the ideas for Ray's stories about his film too???

It is very suspect, imo. What do you think?

 

[Burnt State]

Show Notes, Chris Lambright I, 25. | Podcast UFO

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

Chris is a huge believer in Ray Stanford's film/pics of UFO's....Chris is a big time believer....

Gimme a break! I don't believe "in" ANYTHING! Especially your opinion of my thinking. I appreciate (what appears to be to me) sound documentation and cutting-edge (world class?) analysis. Don't paint me with your "true-believer" languaging, thanks! I don't believe a word of it!

 

[Open-Minded-Earthling]

Great find Burnt, so here we have it "word for word" from Lambright himself:

[...] how Leik Myrabo happened to find out about Ray and go to visit him, but Myrabo is someone who, in his own career, had already had connections, or contacts, with, I believe, at one – of course, he had worked for BDM Corporation, I think, at one point. He had some connections in The Air Force through the breakthrough propulsion physics program, I think, at the time, so he already, I think, had some good – and he was a player, so to speak, with The Air Force, as well, and, when he happened to see what Ray had on film, he already had his idea for his light craft, which was a, kind of, a beamed energy propulsion small disc model they’d worked with [...]

So, just add this information to what I was questioning before [just read my previous post just above] about Standford's account vs what Lambright knew. Oh boy, so Ray just runs with this guy's ideas just as I suspected. It's used as a talking point for Ray's interests.

Look what Lambright admits to next:

Quoting: "I don’t fault Myrabo for being cautious, at all, although I know that I know he knows, and I’ve spoken with him, myself, and, once again, I’m not making any other claims. I am absolutely happy that he was able to go out and demonstrate that what was being demonstrated by these vehicles Ray filmed, in fact, has practical uses, but, perhaps, in his career, his position, I don’t know if there are other requirements, he seems to really want to lay low, been very, very cautious, and he told me, one time, that if he’s in an interview and anybody brings up the subject of UFOs he’s out of there [...]"

So, there you have it. It seems Ray is just using Myrabo for his own selfish purposes. Myrabo will have absolutely nothing to do with Ray and his film. Lol. I wonder why???

Btw, when that interview was done in 2012, Myrabo was already retired. He won't get involved, because he doesn't want anything to do with what UFO Ray is doing with his story about Myrabo.

 

[Heidi Lemmer]

I don't even know where to begin on your interpretation of Lambright's book, wow, just wow. I have a new appreciation for just how bad one person can stink up the room reinterpreting a book from google. Just for anyone else out there that's new to this subject, trust me, OME's review is really bad.

 

[Constance]

Ray's film was in 1985, so how in the heck is he helping Myrabo out with that film? Just look closely at what this person ALREADY knew and accomplished too by 1983. How does that match-up with Ray's story??? Is Ray telling the truth? Is Ray just jumping onto someone's back of previous accomplishments [by 1983] to hijack Myrabo's accomplished background for Ray's story and 1985 film? Maybe Myrabo gave Ray the ideas for Ray's stories about his film too???

It is very suspect, imo. What do you think?

I think you should bite the bullet and read Lambright's book.

 

[Constance]

I don't even know where to begin on your interpretation of Lambright's book, wow, just wow. I have a new appreciation for just how bad one person can stink up the room reinterpreting a book from google. Just for anyone else out there that's new to this subject, trust me, OME's review is really bad.

Heide, did OME claim to have read Lambright's book? Doesn't sound to me as if he has. And of course, if he had read the intricacy of L's investigation, he couldn't make these slanderous claims about Ray Stanford.

 

[Heidi Lemmer]

Heide, did OME claim to have read Lambright's book? Doesn't sound to me as if he has. And of course, if he had read the intricacy of L's investigation, he couldn't make these slanderous claims about Ray Stanford.

I've learned nothing from this back and forth with OME. That's when it's time to go back to reading and learning elsewhere. That's cool.

 

[Open-Minded-Earthling]

I don't even know where to begin on your interpretation of Lambright's book, wow, just wow. I have a new appreciation for just how bad one person can stink up the room reinterpreting a book from google. Just for anyone else out there that's new to this subject, trust me, OME's review is really bad.

I've actually seen archival film footage that match the objects and descriptions of what Ray filmed and said in his own words. I'll be quite surprised if these are not one and the same type of objects. It's been shown on Discovery Channel probably more than a hundred times over the years if not more...

These were man made [or natural phenomena of some kind] that Ray caught on film. I lean towards man made, but there were 7 (identical?) objects too... this could also possibly suggest some kind of natural phenomena.

Ray just needs to release his film, but Ray just dangles carrots for Heidi and Constance to believe in. Imo. Chris thinks he doesn't believe anything, so he seems rooted in the idea this is fact and not belief. Well, Ray, what are the facts? What have you filmed?

 

[Constance]

OME, you liked the material Burnt linked but evidently didn't read it all:

" Myrabo’s work, ultimately, I think, shows that he knows we did not have the technology to do what Ray filmed back in 1985, and even after that, for years and years to come, we still have that – don’t have that technology, and some of the reports that I was able to find by even some gentlemen at NASA on these new, futuristic concepts that people were working with, at the time, showed that even just to do what Myrabo conceived of we don’t have the infrastructure to even accomplish something like that, and, one of the points that I think should be noted, though, is Myrabo’s concept, typically, only works with hypersonic velocities. What Ray filmed was not going hypersonic by any stretch of the imagination, at all, meaning that’s not just what’s keeping it up. You may be able to mitigate shockwaves using energy beam propelling or projecting energy out in front to, basically, expand the atmosphere away from your vehicle, so you’re, basically, flying through a bubble, if you want to call it that, a low–density corridor, but that’s not what, apparently, is keeping the object from falling out of the sky."

 

[Heidi Lemmer]

So, there you have it. It seems Ray is just using Myrabo for his own selfish purposes. Myrabo will have absolutely nothing to do with Ray and his film. Lol. I wonder why???

Thats just slanderous really. There is nothing to support that kind of claim. Stanford has got a clean reputation and frankly if he wanted to make money off of film he could have tried years ago. I mean seriously, what if someone claimed that about you and what you do for a living? Talk about over-baking the cookies!

 

[Open-Minded-Earthling]

And of course, if he had read the intricacy of L's investigation, he couldn't make these slanderous claims about Ray Stanford.

I can only go by what Ray himself has said 'on record'. This has nothing to do with Lambright's book. That's 2nd hand information from Ray. I go by what Ray said himself. I'll admit upfront now that my memory is subject to mistakes and can never be perfectly accurate, so I'll have to go back to hear Ray's account sometime. But I'm in no rush, since Ray won't be showing us his film while he is alive anyway. Maybe he will prove me wrong. That would really make me happy, indeed. I'd love to be wrong about this. Seriously. It would be hilarious too.

 

[Constance]

I can only go by what Ray himself has said 'on record'. This has nothing to do with Lambright's book. That's 2nd hand information from Ray. I go by what Ray said himself. I'll admit upfront now that my memory is subject to mistakes and can never be perfectly accurate, so I'll have to go back to hear Ray's account sometime. But I'm in no rush, since Ray won't be showing us his film while he is alive anyway. Maybe he will prove me wrong. That would really make me happy, indeed. I'd love to be wrong about this. Seriously. It would be hilarious too.

You just have fun doing whatever it is you do. I'm outta here.

 

[Open-Minded-Earthling]

OME, you liked the material Burnt linked but evidently didn't read it all: "Myrabo’s work, ultimately, I think, shows that he knows we did not have the technology to do what Ray filmed back in 1985, and even after that, for years and years to come, we still have that – don’t have that technology, and some of the reports that I was able to find by even some gentlemen at NASA on these new, futuristic concepts that people were working with, at the time, showed that even just to do what Myrabo conceived of we don’t have the infrastructure to even accomplish something like that, and, one of the points that I think should be noted, though, is Myrabo’s concept, typically, only works with hypersonic velocities. What Ray filmed was not going hypersonic by any stretch of the imagination, at all, meaning that’s not just what’s keeping it up. You may be able to mitigate shockwaves using energy beam propelling or projecting energy out in front to, basically, expand the atmosphere away from your vehicle, so you’re, basically, flying through a bubble, if you want to call it that, a low–density corridor, but that’s not what, apparently, is keeping the object from falling out of the sky."

Constance, just how gullible are you? Seriously. Just because Lambright says this MIGHT be what was being filmed does NOT prove in any way, shape, or form that this film is actually filming this kind of technology. No way!

Like I've said, these same type of objects are already filmed and documented in archival footage that have often been shown in promotional programming for the Discovery Channels. Believe it or not... it's true. Btw, that also does not prove this is what Ray filmed either, so until Ray can show us his film... well then... it's open to speculation. I've seen the actual film I'm talking about, so at least I'm not withholding from anyone. It's been on TV and has been seen by millions of people too.

It is obviously an experiment too that either NASA or the military conducted. So, it is for real. I'm not fabricating a story just to entertain myself 'here'. I'll never convince either of you about anything anyway, since you seem so sure about your ideas.

 

[Constance]

My last response to you:

Constance, just how gullible are you? Seriously. Just because Lambright says this MIGHT be what was being filmed does NOT prove in any way, shape, or form that this film is actually filming this kind of technology. No way!

Then why was Myrabo spellbound by the footage, continuing to call Stanford to discuss it as he carried what he saw in the footage into his own research, leaving academia to do this and going over to the Air Force labs and the MIC for the rest of his career? What was the scale of Myrabo's experiments compared with the size of the objects Ray Stanford filmed, seen by others besides Myrabo? Did they ever fly?

Like I've said, these same type of objects are already filmed and documented in archival footage that have often been shown in promotional programming for the Discovery Channels. Believe it or not... it's true. Btw, that also does not prove this is what Ray filmed either, so until Ray can show us his film... well then... it's open to speculation. I've seen the actual film I'm talking about, so at least I'm not withholding from anyone. It's been on TV.

We have only your word for that, OME. For someone who sits at his computer making demands on real researchers that they provide evidence, you provide none.

See ya.