Jan 18th - Leo Sprinkle

[David Biedny]

Leo is a very intelligent, inquisitive person who has many years under his belt in this wacky field. I personally appreciate his attitude, and ability to listen to my comments regarding people who he doesn't have enough information about. I found him to be the kind of individual I don't debating and sometimes disagreeing with, he seemed quite open and reasonable. I think he was a great guest, and I'd love to have him back on again.

It's funny, while many of you might find that I'm a hard ass about my thoughts regarding the paranormal, you might be surprised to find out that some of my personal beliefs about this stuff are even further out that some of our guests. Over time, more of my thoughts about these topics will come out, and like the tagline of the show proclaims, "you never know what to expect".

dB

 

[Frozen E.T. Burrito]

I find it likely that there would be "those" who could be kum ba yah'd with, and those who would want to destroy the kum bah yah... I personally would do my best to ally with the hippy folk sangers.

 

[mike]

dont mind me brains on "fire"....
seems the only way to put it out here, is to put it out there.......

if time travel is possible... and if we only have our brief existance to make our indelible marks of the fabric of the universe/reality. then how do we deal with the stains we invariably leave when we make poor judgements.......
the way i see it is if this is true , if we each write our own akoshic record, then the record can show 3 "trends"

devolution, stagnation and evolution...

if the past is the past and no longer exists... if the future is also a "non place" then only the present counts and it doesnt matter which option best descibes "you".

but if our records are imortal by means of the nature of time and its ability to be traversed as easily as space, then it does matter.

we have a tendancy to conduct ourselves in the "present" as if the past and the future were not "real" places......

with the correct "view" of time... everything changes

 

[mike]

I found him to be the kind of individual I don't debating and sometimes disagreeing with

did you lose your "mind" ?

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

you might be surprised to find out that some of my personal beliefs about this stuff are even further out that some of our guests.

You tease! Are you even going to tell us which guests? Give us some inkling of how far out they extend?

 

[qqqq]

He sounded like he had a firm belief that disclousure was going to happen within the next few years. I wonder what brought him to this conclusion.

 

[bobheck]

He sounded like he had a firm belief that disclousure was going to happen within the next few years. I wonder what brought him to this conclusion.

He was very quick to conclude that we originated on Mars based on some ethereal thread of research information without delving further into the matter. Making an announcement of such magnitude should come after a lifetime of research and backed up by volumes of data.

So, if he can reach such a staggering conclusion based on that scant evidence, there is no telling what brought him to the conclusion that disclosure is near. Apparently it does not take much for him to reach a conclusion.

With that said, I would LOVE for him to be right.

 

[Gareth]

I liked Leo. He sounds like a super nice guy with a very healthy attitude about stuff. Doesnt take stuff personally and has an open mind about stuff in general. Cool guy.

Also, like others have mentioned, the fact that hes essentially 'off the grid' as it were would contribute to his lack of insight into a few things (Meier, Exopolitics, Sparks etc).

 

[kova81]

Leo is a very intelligent, inquisitive person who has many years under his belt in this wacky field. I personally appreciate his attitude, and ability to listen to my comments regarding people who he doesn't have enough information about. I found him to be the kind of individual I don't debating and sometimes disagreeing with, he seemed quite open and reasonable. I think he was a great guest, and I'd love to have him back on again.

It's funny, while many of you might find that I'm a hard ass about my thoughts regarding the paranormal, you might be surprised to find out that some of my personal beliefs about this stuff are even further out that some of our guests. Over time, more of my thoughts about these topics will come out, and like the tagline of the show proclaims, "you never know what to expect".

dB

Im not sure if this was you or gene... but the only part I didn't get was your long winded speech on what sounded like an agnostic proclaimation. I think you stepped up to the edge but you didn't walk over...

Are you an agnostic?

for the record... I am...

 

[Brian Now]

The only thing I know about Sprinkle is what I heard in this episode. Perhaps he lost me at "galactic federation" and "cosmic society". I am left wondering what he could possibly have to offer? He is a gullible, uninformed New Ager. And that's fine, and I am sure he's a very nice man, but after over an hour of listening to David politely (and perhaps unintentionally) shoot him down I turned it off.

He is so far beneath Gene and David in intellect and knowledge that the distinction became too distracting.

 

[BrandonD]

Great show, liked the guy. Here's some thoughts on some of the subjects discussed.

Regarding the idea of disclosure, and that the government has nothing to disclose:

This idea has been brought up many times on the show. I agree that the government (as in the president/congress/etc) probably has very little information with regards to the ufo subject. So if they had disclosure, there would probably be little to disclose.

But I think at this point, for the informed individual it's pretty much beyond debate that there is at least one organization within the US government/military which has *much* more information about the ufo subject than the general public.

I think it's also pretty clear that this organization has travelled beyond the reach of governmental oversight.

I often hear you guys talking about how the government may know nothing more than we do about ufos. But I think it's worth clarifying that SOMEwhere in the convoluted government/military juggernaut there is an organization that is much more well-informed than we are.

Now whether there is any practical value in trying to make this unreachable bird sing for us, that is another matter.

Regarding the possibility that it's in our best interest to be kept in the dark about the ufo subject:

I'm surprised that you guys have brought this idea up more than once. Are you just playing devil's advocate, or do you guys seriously think this is a reasonable stance to take?

In my opinion, there is absolutely no chance that the organization that is withholding ufo information is doing so because it's in our best interest. And I would think that anyone who has a reasonable understanding of the psychology of power would agree with me. They are holding this information because it benefits *them* to hold the information.

I don't know if there is any way to make this organization spill the beans. Then again, if investigating this subject was made a higher priority by those in our government, perhaps there would be a greater chance of eventually extracting information from this organization.

Regarding the host's opinions:

I'm skeptical of some of his ideas, such as the idea that we can base our Martian heritage upon circadian rhythms (I really think he's a victim of wishful thinking on that one).

However, I do agree with his position on open-mindedness. That phrase "so open-minded that your brains fall out" is irritating because 1) It's a catch phrase, and like most catch phrases it's often used to avoid thinking in depth about a subject, and 2) it's tinged with that same lack of humility that the hosts seem to despise.

In my opinion, people learn in proportion to the degree they're able to let go of what they already "know". If we've been unable to reach an understanding of the ufo phenomenon, I'd say it's because our minds are too fat from being stuffed with false information.

For example, just because some scientists have introduced the idea of "dark matter" to the world, doesn't mean that dark matter necessarily exists. It is, like MANY items in science, a place-holder to fill in the gaps of mathematical discrepancies.

Perhaps dark matter exists, and the universe will bow down to our expectations. But in my opinion, it is generally the other way around.

 

[BrandonD]

It's funny, while many of you might find that I'm a hard ass about my thoughts regarding the paranormal, you might be surprised to find out that some of my personal beliefs about this stuff are even further out that some of our guests. Over time, more of my thoughts about these topics will come out, and like the tagline of the show proclaims, "you never know what to expect".
dB

I would love to hear a show where you delve into some of these ideas. I sometimes feel like you guys are wading in the baby pool when you're certainly strong enough to take a lap or two out into the deep end.

 

[Schuyler]

When Sprinkle talks about his hypnosis sessions and the field of psychology, I have to give him all due respect because that is his field. But when he wanders beyond psychology he seem like a credulous person who will believe damn near anything. Oh, I agree with everyone else that he's a nice guy and doesn't come across as pretentious at all, but that Martian circadian rhythm stuff is totally off the wall. OF COURSE we don't know everything, but that's not license to jump to conclusions on no evidence, or to ignore the archaeological record we have managed to scrape together. I'm all for the ubiquitous 'open mind' everyone seems to think we all need, but there has to be SOME basis of forming conclusions or we'll not move forward at all, ever, and simply be at sea on everything.

Actually, the one thing that caught my attention was when David (I believe it was him) was talking about the apparent ability of the ET-guys to be able to transcend the physical and the 'next realm' in that they appear to be in both places. That is an intriguing pieve of information that cannot be ignored, albeit you must be at a certain space in your thinking to entertain it. I also thought Sprinkle's saying, 'We're not humans on a spiritual journey, but spirits on a human journey' was right on. Interesting show.

 

[Gareth]

When he talked about the day/night cycle and possible Mars heritage, as wacky as it was I took that as a window into the way his mind works. He is able to look at different possibilities and explanations for things with an open mind. I didnt get the impression that was in any way married to the idea.

 

[AnnetteMarie]

When he talked about the day/night cycle and possible Mars heritage, .... I didnt get the impression that was in any way married to the idea.

neither did I.

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

For example, just because some scientists have introduced the idea of "dark matter" to the world, doesn't mean that dark matter necessarily exists. It is, like MANY items in science, a place-holder to fill in the gaps of mathematical discrepancies.

Dark matter = magic air.

 

[Frozen E.T. Burrito]

Am listenin for about the 20th loop... I am always doin other things! I have really enjoyed catching the whole thing bit by bit, and am always catching just the right parts at just the right time for it to hit me just right... :shy:

Was just hearing David say that it may be "jarring to some listeners that he mentions the term "spiritual awareness" in anything but a somewhat repulsed tone" (paraphrased)... it was not jarring to me... and I would doubt that it was jarring to many... we can tell that you are Universal, David, it is very apparent so no need to fear lettin it out, brotha!

I am really enjoyin this Dr. Leo fellow. He is really sharp in some ways that count on a much deeper level than the worldly intellect. Some of you, I feel, put too MUCH value on the worldly intellect. It IS of great value, and it DOES sorta "take all kinds", but in the end it's the feelins and heart that matters more than anythang, and he is whoopin some of the cockier folks like they are handicaps!

This fellow is wonderfully child like in his views on "this thing" (as if there is only ONE "this thing"). He, I suspect, is more of an abstract thinker and seer, and just uses the stories who best fit his personal metaphor as examples of what he is oriented towards. I think he is a spectacular dude, in some places that count a whole lot.

I also noticed that Gene is totally "Structure Man" to Favid's "Free Flow Till The Stop Light Glows". Very interesting dynamic, on top of several others between the two. Symbiotic even. It's really a trip that this show exists at all... I consider it to be a gift from The Universe... it is obvious that The Force is strong with it.

 

[bobheck]

First of all, I think we have to separate the fact that Mr. Sprinkle is a very nice man from the exploration of the things that he said. So yes, he is a nice, polite, charming man. But, I am not letting his politeness cloud my view of what he said -- that is what the Paracast is about isn't it? Testing people's statements, for one thing.

For those of you that say they did not think that he was married to the idea (whatever that means, it's his idea) that we came from Mars -- Here is a transcript of 59 seconds of the show starting at 47:45. I listened to it several times through headphones to make sure I got it right:

Leo - "I read German and French studies of people who would be taken underground and for several days without clocks, they would be monitored. And it turns out, according to these studies, that the people's diurnal cycle, or their daily rhythm, was 24 and a half hours, or 25 hours. Well, that struck me as strange. Why would that be? If we grew up on planet Earth, we humans would have a 24 hour cycle. Because that's what the claim is that we go around the sun, every 24 hours. Well then I asked one of my friends who is an astronomer, and I don't know if he's right, but he claims that the Martian cycle is 24 hours and 37 minutes. Yeee Haw! That says to me that we humans, or at least some of us, came through Mars. Because if we have a 24 and a half, or 25 hour a day cycle, then we didn't originate on planet Earth."

Some observations:

1. We do not "go around the sun" every 24 hours. The earth rotates every 23 hours and 56 minutes. We go around the sun in approximately 365 days.

2. He asked his friend, who is an astronomer, and he does not know if he is right, but his friend claims that the Martian cycle is 24 hours and 37 minutes. So he then makes a statement that he believes at least some of us come from Mars based on a claim from a friend, whose answer he does not (and apparently has not) verified by picking up a World Almanac, Encyclopedia, etc...

3. The fact that some people have a 24 and a half or 25 hour a day cycle means that we didn't originate on planet Earth. Leo's statement, not mine.


Turns out his friend is right, the rotational period of Mars is 24 hours and 37 minutes. But, how in hell's kitchen does this and this alone mean that we came from Mars? Holy crud. I really don't understand how this statement is passing muster with some of you. Several things can effect a diurnal cycle -- temperature, latitude, other environmental factors.

To make such a statement on that thread of evidence really cuts into my belief in this guy's reasoning ability. Sorry.

I'm not saying I don't like him and would not have him over for checkers. But as a credible paranormal researcher, not happening for me.

Am I all alone here? If so, OK -- so be it. If not, somebody throw me a bone, will ya? Or help me understand what I don't understand about this guest.

 

[Frozen E.T. Burrito]

I'm not saying I don't like him and would not have him over for checkers. But as a credible paranormal researcher, not happening for me.

Am I all alone here? If so, OK -- so be it. If not, somebody throw me a

I am guessin that in a few games of checkers that guy would school you on a few very interesting paranormal concepts... he is a concept man, not a factual detail man. That IS of great value... it takes folks like him to fill in missing parts that go ALONG with all them factual details that get dug up here and there... to form a more complete picture.

The paranormal is not a perfectly identifiable factual detail... it is also a vastly abstract, complicated and extremely mysterious "thing"... one cannot expect "perfectly factual identifiable details" to get you very far, very efficiently... is, like everything else, must be approached holistically, so to speak, in my view.

 

[bobheck]

I am guessin that in a few games of checkers that guy would school you on a few very interesting paranormal concepts... he is a concept man, not a factual detail man. That IS of great value... it takes folks like him to fill in missing parts that go ALONG with all them factual details that get dug up here and there... to form a more complete picture.

The paranormal is not a perfectly identifiable factual detail... it is also a vastly abstract, complicated and extremely mysterious "thing"... one cannot expect "perfectly factual identifiable details" to get you very far, very efficiently... is, like everything else, must be approached holistically, so to speak, in my view.

That's a pretty good discussion, my friend. But, if you are going to go down that road, then to me that means we have to accept all the ideas from Hoagland, Sereda, et al, without condition. I just don't accept that. Ideas, even crazy ones, for answers to the paranormal world's questions are great, but they have be based on something substantial, not just formed out of the ether. IMHO.