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January 4, 2015 — Dr. Benjamin Zeller

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Therefore it became very important in my mind to dissociate serious ufology groups from the notion of "UFO cults" ( whether they be religious or drug culture based ). At the same time we cannot ignore the facets of UFO pop culture that became part of the Heaven's Gate story. My method of dissociating serious ufology from cults like Heaven's gate is by cataloging Heaven's Gate as a part of the history of ufology under Religion > Mythology & New Age. There we can discuss the notion of "UFO cults" objectively.

Are not all cults 'religious' in nature, especially in their borrowing, adopting and co-mingling of various precepts and ideologies? what strikes me as peculiar about this cult though is that from the beginning they are on about UFO culture, and it is UFO culture that is the overlay on some Christian beliefs but the vocab and ideas are all informed by what they know of UFO culture. And what they know was stolen from sci-fi television and all their half-baked ideas about Ufology that they used to create a cult with. I think that there is a moral responsibility in Ufology as a scientific pursuit, or even a sociological one, to distance itself from the charlatans, snake oil sellers and cult of personalities. Is there a difference between Bo & Peep and Steven Greer - there is somewhat. Perhaps they have different personal goals but the methodologies are similar, different approaches but the same lies.

I agree with you that there should be a serious distancing between those who make stuff up out of thin air, or manipulate pieces of truth in order to build personal empires and those who are seriously engaged in the phenomenon to discover a scientific truth. Unfortunately I see a lot of people using Ufology to formulate and forge histories that never happened, to make mountains out of molehills and to bypass the actual facts of the phenomenon in order to emphasize a more sensational version of reality.
 
I found this to be a highly engaging and thoroughly enjoyable episode, made more so because I am a Paracast + member and don't have to be interrupted by the commercial breaks. I got a hearty chuckle from Chris' comments at the front of the show about the frequent high level of discourse in the forums and how it can be slightly intimidating, as I was just thinking the exact same thing last week while perusing the forums. Some members are extremely impressive in what they post. It has definitely dissuaded me from wading in with an opinion on a number of posts in the past, simply because I didn't feel that I possessed the appropriate level of knowledge and understanding, let alone the amount of time necessary, to adequately participate in some of these discussions. I'm happy to be a bystander soaking up knowledge from the many eloquent and intelligent members. The forums are really an excellent place to engage the paranormal issues raised in the programs at an even higher level, as well as issues the ancillary issues that come up during lively discussions.
 
Seeing your perspective, I can see how why a distinction is very important to you. As a gay man, perhaps a metaphor would be when there is a gay pride parade in a city like San Francisco. The parade is predominantly contingents of lawyers, doctors, police, etc who are gay. The intent is to show the world that we are everywhere and in very responsible caring careers. Yet, what does the TV show? If there is one man in drag, all the TV stations will ignore the thousands of gay people in the parade in street clothes and instead show the world the drag queen. This is the image of the gay pride parade that is presented to the general public. Meanwhile, very serious gay people are working diligently behind the scenes to attain equal marriage and other rights. But again, this is never shown.

I sense that this also happens with UFOs and this bothers you a lot since you want to establish the field of ufology as a valid scientific field of investigation. I agree with your intent and goal to do so. It is very admirable.

Now as to my perspective on this so-called "Field". I honestly have studied it for decades and must admit to you that I have reached a point of exasperation and frustration. The field is so full of nonsense and belief systems. The emergence (ufology's version of the Tea Party?) of the Exopolitics Movement and its immense popularity nailed the proverbial nails into the ufology coffin for me. While there may be groups like yours doing serious research, I do think that ufology has become just an entertainment vehicle for the public.

Now, I beg you, please do not write back and insist that you do not include any of this entertainment stuff in YOUR definition of "ufology".

Conferences dedicated to ufology are full of frauds, delusionals, hucksters of every type, and a huge lobby/store where "ufo" books, dolls, DVDs, CDs, key chains, lunch boxes, paintings, pictures, night lights, etc. are hawked for sale. Interspersed in such conferences are more respectable characters like Richard Dolan (although he seems to be smooching a bit too much with the Exopolitics gang for my taste). "UFO Researcher" is a term used by Steven Greer, Richard Boylan, Stan Romanek, Richard Hoagland, Jonathan Reed, Paola Harris, and others of dubious honesty.

You can try to personally change the definition of "UFO researcher" to only refer to serious investigations but you cannot. You honestly just do not have the political and social power to do so.

A few years ago an outsider named Daniel Brenton came into the ufology movement with The Clueless One and Jeff Ritzmann. One of the earlier Paracast shows has all 3 discussing a need for some sort of validation of UFO claims. They wanted a self-policing institution to be created in ufology that would analyze and establish an evaluation process. Daniel Brenton was viciously attacked by the usual cast of suspects in the UFO field. He was driven from ufology forever by those who felt that having such a "board of inquiry" was not egalitarian. Alfred Lehmberg, a writer for UFO MAGAZINE at the time, was particularly vicious to Daniel on a personal level. Daniel threw up his hands in despair and let ufology forever. Check out this Paracast episode if you have time.

I think that you have to accept that Ufology is a terrible disgrace from the vantage point of a serious investigator. I think you have to accept the chaos and carnival atmosphere of ufology. You can't define it out of existence. Just for fun (to perhaps make your blood boil) check out the link below.

Unarius, UFO Cult, Gets Profiled In 'Children Of The Stars' Documentary (VIDEO, PHOTOS)

This is the reality of ufology, and you cannot single handedly change that. You wish to transform ufology into a credible field of inquiry. My honest opinion is that you will FAIL at this. You cannot cast all the delusionals, hucksters and religious faithful "out of the temple" as Jesus did. Instead, you have to do your serious work, knowing that the field is about as glitzy and artificial as the Las Vegas strip at night.

If you wish to distance yourself from all this, I would advise you to stop using the word "UFO' or "Ufology". The word equates to aliens in the public mind and a science fiction host of images in the mind (including those little green men with antenna's that grace cartoons). Find a different term. Create your own. To me, ufology is HOPELESSLY corrupt. You cannot clean it up. Much easier to remove yourself from the umbrella of serious people and loons that fall under the term "ufology" and instead create your own untainted term for what you seek to do. Didn't Robert Haines use the term Aerial Unidentified Objects (AUO) instead of UFO?

Again, you make a lot of valid points, many of which I've responded to at length in other posts on different topics. But one of things I'm noticing is a focus on my approach, e.g. when you say things like, "YOUR definition of "ufology", as if simply because I have made a contribution, it's somehow invalid or diminished. At least that's the feeling I'm getting, which may or may not be accurate, but I'd like to address that point:

It is true that I have researched and created specific definitions for the words UFO and for ufology. However they are not radically different from most standard definitions, and there is sound logic behind them based on independent historical facts, and that gives them objectivity. Therefore there is no intellectual dishonesty going on. Additionally, someone needed to take a lead in getting the definitions of what we're all about straightened out because it has been a recurring issue with significant ramifications for the image and reputation of the field. By adopting these definitions ufologists can assure themselves that they have a solid foundation from which to proceed. You can review those definitions and the reasoning behind them, including why we shouldn't abandon them, on the USI website by selecting the links in my signature line or here: Ufology | UFO

On your comment, " I think you have to accept the chaos and carnival atmosphere of ufology. You can't define it out of existence.", I think you are absolutely right that attempting to "define it out of existence", wouldn't be workable, however properly cataloging within a larger more scholarly minded framework is. IMO the "carnival atmosphere" including entertainment and such are fascinating and having some historical knowledge about ufology makes those things even more interesting and enjoyable. The key is to keep them in context, and the way to do that is fairly simple: We catalog it this way: Ufology > Culture > Pop-Culture > Entertainment. Think of organizing it as you would a library on the subject. This is literally what I did with my collection of over 2000 titles, and it's the way I approached building the USI website. It works very well. It allows us to view all facets of ufology in their appropriate objective light.
 
Just a side note: for a long time, MUFON was envisioned as a scientific group of investigators that would bring credibility to the UFO field. Yet, what has happened? My local MUFON chapter (and I live in one of the largest cities in the USA) often features trance mediums of aliens, hypnotic regressionists, abductees of very questionable reputation, and spin weavers as honored guest speakers. In retrospect, this list of guest speakers resembled a carnival freak show, e.g., "Come see the bearded lady, the snake man, the wolfman, the mermaid!"
To address your side note, the reason I started USI was because of the attitude I got from MUFON back in the late 1980s, and today, I still think there are issues with MUFON, including the ones you alluded to above. To clarify my position on science and ufology, I don't think ufology should be promoted as a science. That doesn't mean it can't be approached in a scholarly fashion, or that science shouldn't be used within the field where and when it can be properly applied. It just means that the field as a whole includes a wide array of cultural and historical elements that span too broad a range for the scientific method to be applied to all facets of study. Therefore to insist that we label the whole shebang science only invites criticism and accusations of pseudoscience.

It's more in keeping with the actual truth of the situation to acknowledge all the various facets and to catalog them accordingly in a scholarly-minded fashion. That way even the most contentious aspects of the field can be examined objectively. This "scholarly attitude" takes a little getting used to, but it works, and it works well. I invite you to give it a try and I'm confident that you'll find that there is still a great deal of merit, including well over half a century of historical weight, in keeping the original terminology in place, but refining it as I've suggested, and using it in a more disciplined manner.
 
Are not all cults 'religious' in nature, especially in their borrowing, adopting and co-mingling of various precepts and ideologies? what strikes me as peculiar about this cult though is that from the beginning they are on about UFO culture, and it is UFO culture that is the overlay on some Christian beliefs but the vocab and ideas are all informed by what they know of UFO culture. And what they know was stolen from sci-fi television and all their half-baked ideas about Ufology that they used to create a cult with. I think that there is a moral responsibility in Ufology as a scientific pursuit, or even a sociological one, to distance itself from the charlatans, snake oil sellers and cult of personalities. Is there a difference between Bo & Peep and Steven Greer - there is somewhat. Perhaps they have different personal goals but the methodologies are similar, different approaches but the same lies.

I agree with you that there should be a serious distancing between those who make stuff up out of thin air, or manipulate pieces of truth in order to build personal empires and those who are seriously engaged in the phenomenon to discover a scientific truth. Unfortunately I see a lot of people using Ufology to formulate and forge histories that never happened, to make mountains out of molehills and to bypass the actual facts of the phenomenon in order to emphasize a more sensational version of reality.

Great points, but in case you didn't read the quote from the New York Times article ( and I suggest you check out the entire article if you're interested ), for the first year, UFOs weren't even mentioned as part of the Heaven's Gate dogma. It was bolted on later and although it played third fiddle to the Christian eschatology and science fiction, the focus on the UFO aspect by the media is what has made the label "UFO cult" stick. So it wasn't really there from the very beginning, though it did appear fairly early.

I completely agree with you that there is a moral responsibility for serious ufology to distance itself from cults of any kind. In fact this has been the motivating force behind these posts from the beginning. I was similarly motivated by the thread where drug culture was being advocated. I was also attacked there at first, but IMO someone needed to draw a clear line between serious ufology and drug culture. IMO the only thing worse than a UFO religious cult would be a UFO drug cult, and then to have something bad happen to one of its practitioners.
 
Man, this was a really kick-azz episode of The Paracast.

Why? Because Dr. Zeller was all business, laying out his scholarship and years of study and experience for our benefit.

I enjoy spook stories as much as the next guy. Sometimes guests on The Paracast are merely pumping books which are only rehashings of the same old stories we've heard a hundred times. If they bring nothing new to the table, it's not entertaining. This episode was far better than that.

Dr. Zeller summarized the Heaven's Gate intersection of religion and science with accuracy and precision. You could tell he invested the hours of hard work in doing ORIGINAL research to learn what that group was about. No regurgitation of others' work here. He knew the history up and down. He knew their theology front to back. His academic background made him focus on facts, and excise information that was too speculative.

This is the Good Stuff. Thanks Gene and Chris for finding original researchers and presenting them to us in a concise format.
 
... He knew the history up and down ...
There was that moment where the name of the comet escaped him and Chris mentioned Kohoutek, which confused me because I thought the comet associated with Heaven's Gate was Hale-Bopp, so maybe I should review that segment again :confused:.
 
From what Zeller actually said about them, I would characterize Heaven's Gate as a New Age Christian Cult with idiosyncratic views about UFOs.
 
This may have been the best and most informative Paracast episode of all time. The story was truly chilling and the guest was well-versed and articulate. It reminds me of what talk radio used to be before it was taken over by bloviating egomaniacs.
 
I thought you raised some important issues. Mainly, for the broad subject of the paranormal radio / television / whatever broadcasters who invite guests onto their shows have a responsibility. The responsibility as I see it as sensible and responsible broadcasters, the duty to understand that in some cases folk will come onto the show who will have Psychological problems and by giving these folk publicity, the broadcasters enforce these problems. Enforce beliefs that are not necessarily healthy. I think this is where a degree of a scepticism from the host is necessary for trying to help keep the guest balanced and in check. I have heard some shows on other channels, whereby guests are allowed on and permitted to indulge what in some cases are pure acts of fantasy. Surely this just makes matters worse for the guest after the show? Admittedly there will be a fine line to tread on the subject of the paranormal but a responsible host is essential.
 
Anyone can create a cult from any subject there is no reason for ufology to escape this but because there is one or two faulty springs it does not make the whole machine faulty.
 
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