JFK Assassination Conspiracy Photo

[Ron Collins]

So I know next to nothing about the whole JFK assassination conspiracy thing. Oddly enough, I live in the DFW area and have never been to the vaunted 6th floor museum. But, if you live in Dallas long enough and you will get about 1000 different theories thrown at ya just in polite conversation.

I recently downloaded Richard Belzers book "UFO's, JFK, and Elvis: Conspiracies you don't have to be crazy to believe." from Audible.com. At about 9 minutes or so into the thing says something I have never heard before. He says that there is a photo by a Canadian journalist names Norman (Similus??) that depicts an open 6th floor window with a rifle barrel sticking out and 2 figures clearly visible.

So my interest is piqued and I want to see the image. BUT, I cat find it. I went to about 4 or 5 sites and I cant even find this guys name anywhere. Does anyone know about this and if so have a link to the photo?

 

[Xylo]

First I've heard of such a photo. I've heard some crazy conspiracies however.

 

[Kandinsky]

From your post, I've had a little look too. Can't find anything immediately and kinda assume that a book that describes an image without supplying the image is questionable.

A significant question asks why anyone with a camera at a Presidential motorcade would be pointing it at a sixth floor window of some building? Fair enough the Texas School Book Depository Building has become historic by its association to the JFK assassination. In '63 it was just another building.

 

[Ron Collins]

From your post, I've had a little look too. Can't find anything immediately and kinda assume that a book that describes an image without supplying the image is questionable.

A significant question asks why anyone with a camera at a Presidential motorcade would be pointing it at a sixth floor window of some building? Fair enough the Texas School Book Depository Building has become historic by its association to the JFK assassination. In '63 it was just another building.

Actually it is an audio book from Audible.com. Me don't read so good so's I's likes to listen... Just kiddin' I listen to audio books while mowing the yard, golfing, bike riding, etc. Anyway, the book may very well have the photo in it, I just don't know. I don't know the circumstances surrounding the photograph but I was able to verify the existence of the other things he talks about. I just wanted to see this photo.

 

[Decker]

So I know next to nothing about the whole JFK assassination conspiracy thing. Oddly enough, I live in the DFW area and have never been to the vaunted 6th floor museum. But, if you live in Dallas long enough and you will get about 1000 different theories thrown at ya just in polite conversation.

I recently downloaded Richard Belzers book "UFO's, JFK, and Elvis: Conspiracies you don't have to be crazy to believe." from Audible.com. At about 9 minutes or so into the thing says something I have never heard before. He says that there is a photo by a Canadian journalist names Norman (Similus??) that depicts an open 6th floor window with a rifle barrel sticking out and 2 figures clearly visible.

So my interest is piqued and I want to see the image. BUT, I cat find it. I went to about 4 or 5 sites and I cant even find this guys name anywhere. Does anyone know about this and if so have a link to the photo?

First off Ron, we are speaking about Richard Belzer. Recently I spoke to him in regards to having him come on Dark Matters Radio and he was going to, however the next thing I know when I call his admn. flunkie, Belzer is back in France where he lives 6 months out of the year. But ... when I thought he was going to be on I went to the library and got his book. I read it over the weekend and most of it was a mish-mash of Jim Marrs and other conspiracy stuff. No photo in question in the book and it was the first I had ever heard of it. I was pretty savy on most JFK stuff because of back in the day with the "Driver shoots JFK stuff" with Cooper, Lars Hansson et al. Back in the day I had spoken with Grodin, Lifton, Hansson, and everybody who had a "dog in the fight" about JFK. Just my suggestion but I would not loose any sleep over it.

Decker
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[Kieran]

So I know next to nothing about the whole JFK assassination conspiracy thing. Oddly enough, I live in the DFW area and have never been to the vaunted 6th floor museum. But, if you live in Dallas long enough and you will get about 1000 different theories thrown at ya just in polite conversation.

I recently downloaded Richard Belzers book "UFO's, JFK, and Elvis: Conspiracies you don't have to be crazy to believe." from Audible.com. At about 9 minutes or so into the thing says something I have never heard before. He says that there is a photo by a Canadian journalist names Norman (Similus??) that depicts an open 6th floor window with a rifle barrel sticking out and 2 figures clearly visible.

So my interest is piqued and I want to see the image. BUT, I cat find it. I went to about 4 or 5 sites and I cant even find this guys name anywhere. Does anyone know about this and if so have a link to the photo?

If it existed it would have been in the public Dominion a long time ago Ron. Another story that will lead nowhere.

 

[Han]

Hi I found this if it helps http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/09th_Issue/similas.html

 

[paraschtick]

Back in the day I had spoken with Grodin, Lifton, Hansson, and everybody who had a "dog in the fight" about JFK. Just my suggestion but I would not loose any sleep over it.

According to Michael Collins Piper who some believe has written the definitive version of the JFK assassination ... and who some people claims is anti-semitic, un-american, anti-white, pro-white, a zionist shill etc etc etc ... he's been called everything in his time, Robert Grodin knows zip about photography, photo-manipulation etc etc etc ... whatever you want to call it. And as I tend to believe what he says since he's more consistent on things than most people I ever come across in the conspiracy field, I wouldn't believe whatever comes out of Grodin's mouth ... so thats just my 10 cents as it were.

[and ... here's just something I remembered Mike Piper relating on his radio programme recently ... which has nothing to do with the JFK assassination but is quite funny. Adolph Hitler's favourite entertainer was???? None other than Clayton 'Peg Leg' Bates. Peg Leg was a black guy who lost his leg at the age of 12, and taught himself how to tap dance with a wooden leg ... and later on made a number of appearances on the Ed Sullivan show. So ... there you go ... just another one of those funny things that you just can make up .]

 

[CapnG]

I actually have heard (well read) about this supposed photo but I've never seen it. Odds are it's probably just another element of conspiracy lore, the legendary (and quite literal) "smoking gun".

 

[dyingsun]

And the 'grassy knoll', couldn't resist ..

 

[Xylo]

Hi I found this if it helps http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/09th_Issue/similas.html

Definitely worth the read! Thanks for posting this.

 

[vonmazur]

Guys: This is like the experience I had....I was in High School when JFK was shot. I came in and my Mother had the tube on, and was hysterical, CBS NY affiliate to be exact; The showed a raw feed of some police or sheriff coming down the fire escape or some sort of stair way with an Argentine Modelo 1891 Rifle, it had a scope on it, and the stock had been sporterized. They waved this gun later in the police station, and then said it was the wrong one, and came up with the Carcano.

My question is; did anyone else see this or know about it?

When I was stationed at Ft Hood Texas, in 1968, I was assigned to support for LBJ at his ranch. There was a discussion about JFK with LBJ's Doctor, a Navy Admiral about the assassination.... I won't go into details, but the summary is; JFK had a neuroblastoma from steriod use, and was doomed anyhow. Fetzler got mighty worked up when I mentioned this on a radio show here in Alabama.

If anyone really gives a hoot, I can give more details, but since there is so much baloney and disimformation about this, it is not worth it in my opinion....Lyndon's Doc may have been giving an official cover story for all I know..

Dale

 

[Tom From Hong Kong]

There is a very interesting 90 minute presentation by Daniel Sheehan that you can pull of off Vuze or one of those other file sharing program entitled "Daniel Sheehan: Conspiracy Theories and the UFO Phenomenon." (sorry, I don't know how to attach it to this post). While I recognize Sheehan has his perspectives on things, in the presentation he offers a reasoned view on the JFK assassination with a great deal of specificity, claimed to be backed up by some amount of public evidence, which he cites. In short, assassination teams originally assembled to target Castro and other Cuban leaders at the behest of then Vice President Nixon, were re-directed towards Kennedy and his brother once the Kennedys closed down the covert operations against Castro. The CIA and FBI were NOT involved according to Sheehan, although the Mafia was employed as a means of getting the job down outside of official channels (the quid pro quo is that the mafia gets its casinos, heroin and hooker trade back once Castro goes). Oswald was indeed a patsy (he couldn't shoot to save his own life), and his assassination was directed so the cover up could be maintained. Shanheen does do a good job of tying together various facts from the case to other strange facts (e.g., the check from the Mexican bank found in E. Howard Hunt's jacket when busted at the Watergate). Whether you believe him or not, I would recommend watching -- it certainly gets you thinking and does indeed accurately represent how the government executes "off-the-books" programs (ala' Iran Contra).

 

[ArchieBedford]

There is a very interesting 90 minute presentation by Daniel Sheehan that you can pull of off Vuze or one of those other file sharing program entitled "Daniel Sheehan: Conspiracy Theories and the UFO Phenomenon." (sorry, I don't know how to attach it to this post). While I recognize Sheehan has his perspectives on things, in the presentation he offers a reasoned view on the JFK assassination with a great deal of specificity, claimed to be backed up by some amount of public evidence, which he cites. In short, assassination teams originally assembled to target Castro and other Cuban leaders at the behest of then Vice President Nixon, were re-directed towards Kennedy and his brother once the Kennedys closed down the covert operations against Castro. The CIA and FBI were NOT involved according to Sheehan, although the Mafia was employed as a means of getting the job down outside of official channels (the quid pro quo is that the mafia gets its casinos, heroin and hooker trade back once Castro goes). Oswald was indeed a patsy (he couldn't shoot to save his own life), and his assassination was directed so the cover up could be maintained. Shanheen does do a good job of tying together various facts from the case to other strange facts (e.g., the check from the Mexican bank found in E. Howard Hunt's jacket when busted at the Watergate). Whether you believe him or not, I would recommend watching -- it certainly gets you thinking and does indeed accurately represent how the government executes "off-the-books" programs (ala' Iran Contra).

Tom - interesting. I haven't immersed myself in all the JFK assassination conspiracies (so many of them) but have obviously been peripherally exposed to them for decades.

On the subject of Oswald not being able to shoot to save his own life, he did qualify as a "marksman" and a "sharpshooter" whilst serving in the Marines, so while he may not have been the best shot in America he was probably in the top 5% of the population in marksman ability. The evidence that he tried to shoot dead General Edwin Walker (but narrowly missed) in April 1963 is pretty conclusive, so he had a history of independent action as a lone gunman trying to murder public figures. He used the same 6.5mm Carcano rifle when attemping to shoot Walker in April as he used to shoot at Jack Kennedy in November: the bullets were the same, and he testified to his wife about the Walker assassination attempt the night he attempted it.

We also have to remember that every single president in the 20th century with the possible exception of Dwight Eisenhower was the subject of attempted assassination by at least one lone gunman, so Kennedy being shot at by a deranged psychopath acting alone was the norm for a President, not the exception. Oswald had the psychological history, the political views, the sharpshooter rifle, the marksman ability, the motive, and the opportunity (working at the Book Depository in Dallas on the route taken by the motorcade) to attempt assassination. Now he may have been used or co-opted by others, but the evidence for this is not conclusive and the claims vary according to the political/conspiratorial inclinations of the claimant.

One of the myriad of conspiracy theories surrounding the Kennedy assassination may be true. Since nothing is proved after 47 years, we'll probably never know. The evidence that Oswald acted alone, however, is at least credible and fits the pattern. This may not be a popular view with the committed deep-conspiracy crowd, but it's true nontheless.

 

[7forever]

The driver killed Kennedy

The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the zapruder film needed to be picked apart and analyzed by someone and that someone turned out to be me.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xesq49_jfk-assassination-films-orville-nix_news

Nix film close-up shows Greer's arm crossing over

I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but could not or didn't bother with the nix film.

THE FAKE GREY STREAK covered Greer's arm movement in the zfilm and the nix film proves that alteration beyond any doubt. Case Closed, finally.

The driver killed Kennedy and the Nix film provides conclusive proof to this inevitable truth.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

 

[Kieran]

The driver killed Kennedy

The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the zapruder film needed to be picked apart and analyzed by someone and that someone turned out to be me.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xesq49_jfk-assassination-films-orville-nix_news

Nix film close-up shows Greer's arm crossing over

I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but could not or didn't bother with the nix film.

THE FAKE GREY STREAK covered Greer's arm movement in the zfilm and the nix film proves that alteration beyond any doubt. Case Closed, finally.

The driver killed Kennedy and the Nix film provides conclusive proof to this inevitable truth.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

It certainly is interesting, if the clips are from the original Zapruder film? He kind of does look he has something in his hand when he looks over his right shoulder at Kennedy, or it just could be a trick of light or something showing up. The second driver is the reason "why" the anomaly is showing up I believe, i can't put my finger on it right now, but something is registering there, but it is interesting again, this particular object is only seen when the driver turns his head around to look at Kennedy.

The shape of the object you allege is a handgun, it looks like it is silver in color too. The length of the Handgun barrel looks odd to me, it looks like a laser gun more than a handgun lol, Also the alleged handgun does not look to me like it was fired, there is hardly no jolt I see no projectile bullet coming from this alleged weapon. Also another possibility not sure about this. Was the Driver not secret service and would he not be issued with a firearm for protection of himself and the VIP he was protecting. Maybe is was just an instinctive reaction to pull his weapon, to protect Kennedy when he heard the screams and the bullets? I still think it is an anomaly not a handgun I have only looked at the clips for a few minutes so maybe I am wrong?

EDIT. If you keep on looking at the third clip. You'll notice the front passenger beside the driver is in shadow, just around the time the anomaly appears, the passenger face is no longer in shadow his face brights up probably from the sun above. To me the anomaly is actually caused by the sun shining on the passengers hair and head just exactly at the time the driver turned around to look.. It obvious to me the more I look at it.

 

[7forever]

Grey streak fake out by CIA GOON SQUAD

It certainly is interesting, if the clips are from the original Zapruder film? He kind of does look he has something in his hand when he looks over his right shoulder at Kennedy, or it just could be a trick of light or something showing up. The second driver is the reason "why" the anomaly is showing up I believe, i can't put my finger on it right now, but something is registering there, but it is interesting again, this particular object is only seen when the driver turns his head around to look at Kennedy.

The shape of the object you allege is a handgun, it looks like it is silver in color too. The length of the Handgun barrel looks odd to me, it looks like a laser gun more than a handgun lol, Also the alleged handgun does not look to me like it was fired, there is hardly no jolt I see no projectile bullet coming from this alleged weapon. Also another possibility not sure about this. Was the Driver not secret service and would he not be issued with a firearm for protection of himself and the VIP he was protecting. Maybe is was just an instinctive reaction to pull his weapon, to protect Kennedy when he heard the screams and the bullets? I still think it is an anomaly not a handgun I have only looked at the clips for a few minutes so maybe I am wrong?

The amount of evidence for Greer as the fatal shooter is overwhelming. The most important for you to look at in the post above is seeing his left arm cross over in the nix film which does not happen in the zfilm. That fact all by itself proves film alteration and Greer as the shooter.

OVER, THEN ACROSS=FAKE.

ACROSS WHEN IT'S NEEDED.

Bill Greer was jfk's real assassin. Sad but true, irrefutable fact.

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JFK LANCER participates in cover-up to hide jfk's real assassin http://www.jfklancer.com/greer.html

They do not allow it to advance to 313 because it would recoil with the double image.

 

[7forever]

Grey streak fake out by CIA GOON SQUAD

The red blob of blood mist is 100% fake as a 3 dollar bill

The red blob is fake because it appears before the shot and after the bullet connects and you can see the mist disappear leaving the fake flap.

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Fake hand at 304 confirmed by nix gif

Everyone can see, even the Kennedy Kooks that Greer's left arm is swiftly jerking over his right shoulder in unison with the headshot.

NO HAND OR ARM AT 304-305. IT'S OBVIOUS AND CONCLUSIVE.

 

[7forever]

Grey streak fake out by CIA GOON SQUAD

Frame 319 is the gun bleached in white

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
Disinfo video by a fat toolbag, fortunately, everyone now can see that Greer places the gun in his left hand proving that Bob harris tried and failed to keep this deception going indefinitely. The altered gun is visible before, during and after the shot.
318 is the fake reflection and 319 is the gun bleached in white.

COMING UP FROM FLOOR, BACKWARDS.

They could NOT edit out the gun so they covered it with white and grey. The driver killing Kennedy was always THE TRUTH but was universally ignored and covered-up.

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Bob Harris, a disinfo failure at Kennedy research

I knew a long time ago, bobharris77 had realized during the making of this clip that the film had in fact been altered to hide the fact the driver shot Kennedy. He did make some adjustments to it because you can no longer advance it with your mouse from 158-200-202. At two minutes you could see the red smoke and then advance to 202 and see the red blotch appear, both of those happening in unison with the white extending backward.

At around 1:30 he's babbling on about how the driver's left hand is at his side while holding steady at frame 312. At the end of his verbal nonsense he advances to frame 313 where you can clearly see it extend in sync with the headshot. What he did was create this effect which distracts the viewer from seeing the fake white working in sync with the fake red blotch. He did this because the screen didn't change for 30 or more seconds before advancing it to 313. This amount of time would have revealed to at least some viewers the connection between the fake reflection and the headshot. Bob, knows the driver fired on Kennedy and this effect proves it beyond any doubt. Bob, is a wannabe conspiracy theorist which means the driver did it, is off limits. This should teach anybody out there...do not try to use the film to disprove an obvious fact because some sleuth may come along and use it against you. After this idiot found out I was using his stupid video to prove the film was altered he went back and enhanced the effect to better hide the fake white and fake mist causing and hiding the headshot from the front.

The above effect was created to hide the fake reflection and fake blood mist from working in sync to cause and hide the heashot coming from the driver. Watch the fake white extend in unison with the red mist between 312-313.

 

[Kieran]

Grey streak fake out by CIA GOON SQUAD

The red blob of blood mist is 100% fake as a 3 dollar bill

The red blob is fake because it appears before the shot and after the bullet connects and you can see the mist disappear leaving the fake flap.

---------- Post added at 04:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:12 PM ----------

Fake hand at 304 confirmed by nix gif

Everyone can see, even the Kennedy Kooks that Greer's left arm is swiftly jerking over his right shoulder in unison with the headshot.

NO HAND OR ARM AT 304-305. IT'S OBVIOUS AND CONCLUSIVE.

You can clearly see the sun shining on the front passenger hair was the cause of the anomaly. I personally am convinced of it. You can clearly see the drivers hair changes color at the back when he looks around, the driver black hair for a moment has the exact same color as the anomaly. Do you not see the evidence I see, it only took me five minutes to work it out like to my satisfaction at least.