Jim Moseley July 15, 2012

[Sentry]

I just found my notes from reviewing on the Aztec case and looking over Jim Moseley's book as well as his notes for his unpublished 50s book. The top points:

1) In 1953, Newton and Scully attended the first flying saucer convention (even after being exposed by Cahn).

2) Mike Conrad, the filmmaker (that promoted his movie The Flying Saucer with phony claims that his film contained genuine saucer footage) knew Frank Scully.

3) Frank Scully was active or at least well informed about the saucer scene. He had planned a second saucer book about one of the contactees.

4) Silas Newton was aware of the other saucer stories being circulated and tried to use them to support his own claims. He also claimed to have accompanied GeBauer in an investigation of the scene of George Adamski's meeting with Orthon!

None of this proves that the Aztec case was true or false, but it demonstrates a high concentration of baloney among the story's original supporters. Good work, Jim!

 

[marduk]

Jim mentions during the show how landed craft seem to be carrying slightly different creatures each time they made an appearance on Earth.
Like why would presumably a main alien race have so many varieties of strange creatures and robot-type things?This has puzzled me also until I hit upon the idea simply of witness testimony.

A theory I've had kicking around the back of my brain for some time is perhaps they are post-biological and very advanced with nanotechnology... each event we experience may literally be with "avatars" and "ships" that are grown with the single purpose being the execution of whatever appearance they make. Hence the variations on themes, slightly more advanced technology, and theatrical nature of it all.

 

[Goggs Mackay]

A theory I've had kicking around the back of my brain for some time is perhaps they are post-biological and very advanced with nanotechnology... each event we experience may literally be with "avatars" and "ships" that are grown with the single purpose being the execution of whatever appearance they make. Hence the variations on themes, slightly more advanced technology, and theatrical nature of it all.

How strange! I have had the same thoughts. For instance, that for each and every 'mission' a craft is built to order and this accounts for the little variations etc.

 

[marduk]

What I was also thinking was maybe the "beings" that people see are really single use avatars that intelligence's download themselves into for the duration of the visit. Once used maybe they're scrapped.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

If u like early King Crimson. check out this band;

Saw Horselips at the Bottom Line caberet in NYC back in '77 or '78. Excellent show (what little I remember of it) I do remember being impressed and wondering why they weren't more popular.

 

[Goggs Mackay]

Chris, there is no rhyme or reason to which bands get popular - you cannot beat a good personal recommendation as above. So how did you end up seeing the Horselips in NYC back then?

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

Chris...So how did you end up seeing the Horselips in NYC back then?

I lived in NYC for 12 years-- in Manhattan from '77 to '87. My friend John Nallen and I were real hardcore music lovers and saw as many bands and performers as we could afford. He and I were especially interested in Irish music from the Clancy Bros, Clannad and the Chieftains to Thin Lizzy, Still L Fingers and the Boomtown Rats. I remember going to see Rory Gallagher, again, at the Bottom Line, and being completely and totally blown away--one of rocks finest (and most underrated) guitarists of all time.

By the '80s I was pretty friendly with many of the doormen, bouncers, barkeeps, waitresses and even some owners, so I was able to often get in for free and/or or not pay for drinks, plus hang out in the "VIP" rooms etc., so I went out a lot! One of the most memorable shows from that time period was U2s first US performance in '80 at the Ritz. I had heard the "I Will Follow" single and was impressed by the guitar player, so I went to check them out. By the end of the first song, I could see and hear that these guys were the real deal and you could tell they were going to be huge stars. They came back for so many encores they played "I Will Follow" three or four times (because they had run out of material.) I heard a couple of days later from a friend that he had invited the band to his mom's house out in Queens after the show for dinner, and the band and roadies hung out ate spaghetti and listened to his album collection. A backstage pass from that show is in the R&R Hall of Fame.

 

[Elendil]

Well, it still important to understand the abduction scenario and what it signifies. We plan to do a show on this subject soon, once we can get the guests all together at one time.

Sorry for derailing this, but I just gotta ask: who do you plan on inviting? Is there another abduction round table coming up on the show? I'd love to see that...

 

[Goggs Mackay]

I lived in NYC for 12 years-- in Manhattan from '77 to '87. My friend John Nallen and I were real hardcore music lovers and saw as many bands and performers as we could afford. He and I were especially interested in Irish music from the Clancy Bros, Clannad and the Chieftains to Thin Lizzy, Still L Fingers and the Boomtown Rats. I remember going to see Rory Gallagher, again, at the Bottom Line, and being completely and totally blown away--one of rocks finest (and most underrated) guitarists of all time.

By the '80s I was pretty friendly with many of the doormen, bouncers, barkeeps, waitresses and even some owners, so I was able to often get in for free and/or or not pay for drinks, plus hang out in the "VIP" rooms etc., so I went out a lot! One of the most memorable shows from that time period was U2s first US performance in '80 at the Ritz. I had heard the "I Will Follow" single and was impressed by the guitar player, so I went to check them out. By the end of the first song, I could see and hear that these guys were the real deal and you could tell they were going to be huge stars. They came back for so many encores they played "I Will Follow" three or four times (because they had run out of material.) I heard a couple of days later from a friend that he had invited the band to his mom's house out in Queens after the show for dinner, and the band and roadies hung out ate spaghetti and listened to his album collection. A backstage pass from that show is in the R&R Hall of Fame.

Chris - I could not agree more regarding Rory Gallagher. Clannad though? I didn't see that one coming even though I appreciate their type of music. Clannad's music has been used in countless movies and TV shows. Doesn't take a genius to see with your surname there might be more than one reason to pay attention to music from the Emerald Isle!
There has been a few doc's on TV here recently about Roy Orbison. Although I'd always known about Roy, it's only quite recently I've actually listened to this great artist.
Apparently he was based out of Midland/Odessa, Tx for some time and West Texas has a special meaning for me having lived and worked in Odessa. The Bush family (political one) lived in Midland.
People from that area are fond of saying that 'Midland is where you raise a family, Odessa is where you go to raise hell'. This is very apt and people familiar with these 'twinned' towns will know what it means!