Leslie Kean on the Paracast!

[Cosmic Ejaculator 1814]

Great show guys!

Leslie Kean is my favorite Paracast guest,except for Richard Dolan...

She's clearly identified the best approach for moving this topic into the mainstream culture,and never makes big sensational proclamations,without having the documents and witness testimony to back it up...

After a couple of less than stellar shows,this was a "knock-out" return to form!

 

[Zandroid]

I think Leslie Kean's idea of creating a new organization within the government to collect UFO data is great but I have only 1 observation.

I suggest you keep it fully available to the public as much as you can.
Transperancy

Literally quick access for the public to the research data and reports that come in to this office Leslie is proposing.

I hope MUFON is used as the bad example that locks everything away

 

[Rocketsauce]

I really enjoyed this episode as well and there were many great points that were made.

Personally, I think her goal of getting a new 'blue book' is a waste of time and naive. Gene is way more knowledgeable on the history of this topic in the government than most of us, but it seems like she is merely regurgitating past initiatives that got us no-where closure to the truth. Gene what do you think?

Where I do think she has great value is her methods. Getting high level foreign governments and generals and holding press conferences with Fife Symington and networking with real credible people and using the air safety angle to get mainstream attention and concern like the NYT is something new and I think potentially effective in getting credible attention to this issue.

But, I fully think there is a covert program that would make any new blue book initiatives a total waste of time/money. I'm also a lot more on the other side of the fence regarding the abduction stuff. I think that stuff is likely true at some level, although it might be very very misleading and not exactly what it appears at face value.

I think Leslie and her comrades would do better if they spent a few years further researching the history and patterns within past attempts to get the gov to research this stuff. I think it would be great if the paracast and Leslie's group could put together a conference.

I'm really bummed I have to wait until next week for the next episode, shit!!

 

[Gene Steinberg]

I'm skeptical about the prospects of a new UFO investigative agency in the U.S. Perhaps a multi-country initiative would be better.

 

[sk4p]

I'm skeptical about the prospects of a new UFO investigative agency in the U.S. Perhaps a multi-country initiative would be better.

Great call, Gene. Myself, I notice France and Brazil and these other countries starting to loosen the purse strings on their UFO databases and my internal Conspiracy Theorist wonders: Is it because the US government no longer cares so much about keeping this stuff quiet, or because the rest of the world cares much less what the US thinks nowadays?

--Shawn

 

[Ally]

That would be great to have Leslie and the paracast put on a conference. Time to go visit your super rich friend David for funds.

I liked this show too and like Leslie's approach but I don't think this will happen. I started to count how many times Greer gets bashed on every show. I think it was around four on this one. I am not complaining keep up then Greer bashing.

 

[Leslie Kean]

Re Gene's comment:
I'm skeptical about the prospects of a new UFO investigative agency in the U.S. Perhaps a multi-country initiative would be better.

I don't have time to engage in an extensive conversation, but I had to respond to this comment!

This is a multi-country initiative. 13 countires are represented, and this appeal is for a cooperative venture with the US, where the countries would work together, share data, have meetings, etc. This is built into our appeal, and it would be built into the charter of the agency. The other countries are already working on this - the only way they can join forces with the US is to have an agency here to work with.

Release of information to the public would also be a major goal for us in helping to set up such an agency.

Gene, please read the Declaration the US Government posted on the homepage of my website, www.freedomofinfo.org

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Re Gene's comment:
I'm skeptical about the prospects of a new UFO investigative agency in the U.S. Perhaps a multi-country initiative would be better.

I don't have time to engage in an extensive conversation, but I had to respond to this comment!

This is a multi-country initiative. 13 countires are represented, and this appeal is for a cooperative venture with the US, where the countries would work together, share data, have meetings, etc. This is built into our appeal, and it would be built into the charter of the agency. The other countries are already working on this - the only way they can join forces with the US is to have an agency here to work with.

Release of information to the public would also be a major goal for us in helping to set up such an agency.

Gene, please read the Declaration the US Government posted on the homepage of my website, www.freedomofinfo.org

Thanks for the clarification.

Good luck with your effort. Would that the U.S. would want to cooperate with any other country unless they initiate the venture, of course.

 

[Rocketsauce]

Thanks for the clarification.

Good luck with your effort. Would that the U.S. would want to cooperate with any other country unless they initiate the venture, of course.

I appreciate the enthusiasm and the multicultural aspect, but I strongly anticipate any US government involvement in a UFO program would be extremely censored and would not come out with any meaningful data and it would be a repeat of history and a wasted effort. Just to get some papers from Nasa there had to be a lawsuit and even then it doesn't appear Leslie received anything very meaningful. Would a another bluebook change this type of environment? Is even the United Nations itself a 'real' equal group effort or do certain agendas go to the forefront regardless of what others think? Perhaps keeping this outside of the US and having other 1st world countries spearheading this effort would be more effective (France/UK/Belgium).

The overall theme of a lot of the government/military testimony going back 60 years is the focus on an incredibly secret extremely efficient cover-up, to the extent that Jimmy Carter was unable to publicly get to the bottom of this issue and people have had their lives threatened including our own Jeff Rittzman. Why would an upstart agency not be victim to this trend?

If a new blue book was really effective in blowing this open, I almost think it would be because it was 'allowed' to be effective. Maybe Nick Pope and company have been given the green light on this stuff by certain parties? I sure hope so!

Outside of receving the green light, the only main benefit I see is that a new blue book could change the tone of the mainstream (which is important!) and remind people that indeed this is a legit phenomena. Then perhaps academics could actually look into this without being blacklisted, which would actually be pretty important and they could use the latest technology to openly study it.

However, we already have thousands and thousands of case studies so would merely having the government 'officially study' something make it real? Does the US government dictate mainstream reality? Is that all it takes to change the tone? Are we better off taking the reams of data that already exists instead of collecting redundant new data?

So overall just based on this interview and the last one Leslie did, I think the great methods of her organization would be much more effective pursuing a different long term goal. But that is just my opinion based on studying and reading about UFO for a few years.

 

[Brian Now]

Good show!
I particularly liked how Kean highlighted the fact that the just because a govt agency is required to turn over info doesn't mean they will.

About this govt team to investigate this stuff though... seems to me France and the others released their files to a big yawn. I haven't heard of any "smoking guns" or explosive reports. Why, then, would the US government, or any other, want to set up a new office (even a modest one) for this? If the European documents didn't give any new understanding on the nature of UFOs then why try again over here?

Personally I love her idea, and I am just playing devil's advocate a little. But as much as I would like this new agency to open I really don't expect it will.

 

[BrandonD]

Hi, big fan of Leslie Keane ever since seeing the first Out of the Blue documentary, glad you guys had her on. I agree with most of what was discussed, but with one bone of contention:

I don't think the prime function of the military is to provide security to the citizens of the country. To be more precise, I would say the prime function of the military is to protect the financial interests of the ruling class and enforce its policies. There is probably a degree of overlap between the security of the country's citizens and the protection of the financial interests of the ruling class, but beyond that I really don't think the security of the citizens is a strong motivation behind the existence of our gargantuan military monster.

I bring this up because if the security of the citizens is *not* the prime function of the military, then I don't think this can be used as a legitimate excuse for the secrecy. Call me cynical, but I just can't agree with this idea of the government being primarily motivated by this maternal "parenting" motivation to keep us feeling secure and safe.

But then again, perhaps in the computer models David discussed, ufo "disclosure" threatens the position of the ruling class. That would make ALOT more sense to me as a motivation.

 

[Schuyler]

Given the revelations of Dolan and Good, among others, I believe (but am not 100% sure) there has been a cover-up. I'm taking that as a given. I am also taking as a given my belief that there will be no "Disclosure" in our lifetime coming from the government, at least not voluntarily. Of course, if the ufo-nauts force the issue, that's another story, but they haven't so far, so I consider that unlikely. I suspect the status quo is in their best interests as well.

So I have difficulty believing that a part of the government, even if it's in a tentacle of the government octopus that is not 'in the know,' could do much with a new Project Blue Book-like entity that Keane seems to be advocating. Although we are fond of dissing the government and claiming they don't know what they are doing, 'they' seem to have done this pretty well. The media climate and resulting public demeanor is such that it is unlikely such an initiative can get underway, even if you get to talk to a senator or general once in awhile. It's not that I think this is a 'wrong' thing to do, but I think the energy being put into this approach will wind up unrequited.

Anyway, I always enjoy hearing Keane speak, and I thank you for the show.

 

[CapnG]

A really, really good episode. I do think Leslie is wasting her time though with this Blue Book 2- the next generation idea.

The comments that struck me most in this episode were those pertaining to the reports released in other countries. It seems to me that Leslie is trying to frame them in an American perspective and that simply won't work.

In South America people are more... well, belief-oriented I suppose is the way to say it. They're accepting of things we'd consider ridiculous, so it follows they'd not raise an eyebrow to a government report decalring UFOs as real.

In Britain on the other hand the prevailing attitude is that UFOs are nonsense and that the MOD reports confrim that these are not in fact alien spacecraft but perhaps reflective of something much more mundane (partially due no doubt to the coupling of the terms "UFO" and "alien spacecraft" within the greater populace's psyche).

The French represent yet a third perspective with a sort of "who cares?" laise faire attitude. If it's not a threat, it's not a problem in their eyes (paricularily when there are so many other terrestrial problems of note in Europe and globally).

So to say "See, these other countries have accepted it as reality" isn't entirely accurate. Or at least not reality in the day-to-day sense I think Leslie is driving at.

Only when there is an event on the "Times Square" scale David mentioned will the concrete reality of the subject finally hit home.
And if that happens then my oh my... wipe off your fans because here comes the shit...

 

[mike]

another great episode, i listened twice.

i think the planets in the best shape its ever been to handle an "event" such as a mothership over a capital city than its ever been at least in my memory, but ready ? not yet.
i honestly reckon an "event" would cause massive problems. and put a semi permanent dent in the very spirit of humanity.

im sure our military would want to be on a parity technologicaly and weapons wise, that would be the optimum playing feild on which to interact.
i mean that really is the crux of it, if its true and there are aliens all around us, we need to be able to deal with them is such a way as we are not at a disadvantage.
its up to us to develop the technology to tell us what we want to know.

i dont think anything less will "work for us"

they could decloak over every major city and start answering questions, but that wouldnt work for us, unless we had the technology to verify what we are being told, we will have doubts about the data, with all the insecurities that come with that. the only real "truth" is that you yourself can verify yourself

i think we are going to have to create our own parity here, that is bootstrap ourselves up to the same level

 

[Gareth]

another great episode, i listened twice.

i think the planets in the best shape its ever been to handle an "event" such as a mothership over a capital city than its ever been at least in my memory, but ready ? not yet.
i honestly reckon an "event" would cause massive problems. and put a semi permanent dent in the very spirit of humanity.

im sure our military would want to be on a parity technologicaly and weapons wise, that would be the optimum playing feild on which to interact.
i mean that really is the crux of it, if its true and there are aliens all around us, we need to be able to deal with them is such a way as we are not at a disadvantage.
its up to us to develop the technology to tell us what we want to know.

i dont think anything less will "work for us"

they could decloak over every major city and start answering questions, but that wouldnt work for us, unless we had the technology to verify what we are being told, we will have doubts about the data, with all the insecurities that come with that. the only real "truth" is that you yourself can verify yourself

i think we are going to have to create our own parity here, that is bootstrap ourselves up to the same level

Yeah but I want something to happen within my lifetime

 

[Gareth]

Just finished the second half of the episode I thought it was really great. Leslie is obviously really intelligent - you can tell in so many ways when a guess is intelligent by they way they approach topics and answer questions. It gives me hope that someone like Leslie is doing the work shes doing... so if you read this Leslie, keep it up!

Couple of things I wanted to say though...

At one point Leslie said that "obviously we know a lot more now than we did when Bluebook was happening". Umm, do we really? What exactly do we know now that we didnt back then? I think back then we didnt realise how wacky elusive the subject is and that we wouldnt know the answer even in another 6 decades.

And David this really isnt appropriate but Im gonna say it anyway.... what about getting your friend from LA who you mentioned on the Greer episode to either fund a conference or fund some Paracast excursions to South America? You said hes an avid listener of the Paracast and is fascinated with the paranormal? Why not?

Again, I realise thats none of my business there, but since you did bring him up yourself Im always reminded of him when the issue of money(lack of) is raised.

 

[Kieran]

I thought it was a good show, this is why the parcast is the best show on the web. The discussion about Egdar Mitchell was interesting , even do i agree with most of the comments on this man, i still believe this man has some knowlege to offer. Egdar mitchell sayed recently some of his sources were officials and military who were at Roswell but werent part of the town, who are this people..... he never siad who these people are. Leslie kean is a real asset to this field, Steven greer get out of this field you are notting but a burden on everybodys patience.Gene and dave debate like this is what is so good about this show, More people would listen to this show if it was easier to find, when you look for paranormal radio on the web your show does not come up easily in the search engine than compared to other shows that are way inferior to this show.

 

[Rocketsauce]

Hi, big fan of Leslie Keane ever since seeing the first Out of the Blue documentary, glad you guys had her on. I agree with most of what was discussed, but with one bone of contention:

I don't think the prime function of the military is to provide security to the citizens of the country. To be more precise, I would say the prime function of the military is to protect the financial interests of the ruling class and enforce its policies. There is probably a degree of overlap between the security of the country's citizens and the protection of the financial interests of the ruling class, but beyond that I really don't think the security of the citizens is a strong motivation behind the existence of our gargantuan military monster.

I bring this up because if the security of the citizens is *not* the prime function of the military, then I don't think this can be used as a legitimate excuse for the secrecy. Call me cynical, but I just can't agree with this idea of the government being primarily motivated by this maternal "parenting" motivation to keep us feeling secure and safe.

But then again, perhaps in the computer models David discussed, ufo "disclosure" threatens the position of the ruling class. That would make ALOT more sense to me as a motivation.

I wish I could argue with you, but this most recent war and the last 2 elections provide a very compelling case for your idea that the US military and even the government at some level, is used by the elite to protect their interests.

At the same time, I consider myself very lucky to have grown up in the United States.

 

[David Biedny]

GSB,

My investor friend is someone who invests in situations that are likely to yield large profits, hence his wealth. A conference on the paranormal is not likely to make him a dime, therefore, there's no way he'd invest in it. And I'm not likely to ask him for a handout, I don't behave that way with my friends.

dB

 

[Loose Leaf Tea]

Excellent guest. Excellent interview. Thank you so much, G&D.
Leslie Kean; a new hope for ufology!

I was wondering how The Paracast is perceived amongst the quality researchers into the paranormal. Are you beating off researchers requests for interviews or do you still have to chase guests to make an appearance?
Given the quality of the level of discourse, I'd be surprised and disappointed if it's the latter.