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George Hayduke

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Howdy,

Cassini is now orbiting Saturn. It also has the largest nuclear payload ever shot into space. So here's the plan, the elites, call them the Illuminati or whatever you want, are going to, at the end of the Cassini mission, on 07.07.08, ram Saturn with Cassini, turning the former, a gas giant, into a star. The ejecta from the explosion will rain down on Earth, stripping her of her ozone. The elites will take their brainwashed slaves and move underground for a couple of months, then return to the surface, conquor the survivors, then it's off to colonize Titan, an active Earth-like moon orbiting Saturn.

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Utter and total B U L L S H I T.

Anyone who thinks that ANY nuclear payload that we could send to another planet would be enough to start a fusion reaction, has a poor grasp of physics.

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Well, when you spell it out in all caps it's even more convincing. :)

Saturn is primarily hydrogen and helium. It is less dense than water. It rains helium outwards. It is luminous. To sum, it is in many ways similar to the sun.

Meanwhile most star systems are multiple-star systems, making ours unusual and making the creation of an additional star within this system a return to normality. And the vast majority of stars are dwarf stars, much smaller than our sun.

We also have a historic precedent where NASA rams a gas giant with a satellite, Galileo vs. Jupiter.

As for physics, Cassini is toting some 72 lbs of Pu-238. That will spark a 600 kiloton explosion, heating Saturn to 100 M kelvins; the sun burns at roughly a third of that temp.
 
George, if any planet in this system is going to become a second sun, it's Jupiter, Saturn simply lacks the mass. Now, Schumaker-Levy pounded Jupiter for a week back in the 90s with more force than every nuclear weapon on earth COMBINED and the last time I checked it was still a planet. Even if the scenario you outlined were true, I'd say the odds of that little nuclear pin-prick even affecting Saturn were beyond miniscule.
 
George Hayduke said:
As for physics, Cassini is toting some 72 lbs of Pu-238. That will spark a 600 kiloton explosion, heating Saturn to 100 M kelvins; the sun burns at roughly a third of that temp.
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That could trigger panic-buying of marshmallows - better stock up before the rush. How long does the stick have to be - don't wanna over-do them.
 
I think that with a planet that is essentially liquid and less dense than water, if you were to sink Cassini with it's nuclear payload here:

polestorm_cassini_big.jpg


The question becomes where this vortex ends. ;)

Note how the eye of this storm looks like the illuminated eye of horus atop the pyramid on the back of the dollar bill.
 
Not happening IMO. The physics say otherwise then this finding/opinion. Nukes have a much different effect. Nukes don't enough pop to cause that reaction. Plus it is an uncontrolled situation. I find that would effect the interaction greatly. It would be a local exposion having little effect on the whole planet. My government is corruput but the space men have nothing to do with that. There is a top teir fo society (in their view) but they are not going to those measures because that is not needed. I call bunk.
 
So Gary McKinnon, who reportedly hacked NASA's secure servers was lying to the world when he said that the parallel gubbermint has a space "fleet" "not docked on Earth" that is run by "non-terrestrial officers"?? :p
 
George Hayduke said:
So Gary McKinnon, who reportedly hacked NASA's secure servers was lying to the world when he said that the parallel gubbermint has a space "fleet" "not docked on Earth" that is run by "non-terrestrial officers"?? :p
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What's so hard to believe Gary is lying? It's easier to conclude over he telling the truth.

I've seen nothing backing up his claims. No photos or files showing what he supposedly hacked. Lying is definitely a possibility, especially since he is facing a rather harsh penalty and therefore has more of a motive to try to be in the people's good graces.

Has he taken any polygraph tests yet? I'd be interested in the results.
 
George Hayduke said:
So Gary McKinnon, who reportedly hacked NASA's secure servers was lying to the world when he said that the parallel gubbermint has a space "fleet" "not docked on Earth" that is run by "non-terrestrial officers"?? :p
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Six words spring to mind: Not guilty by reason of insanity.
 
So the feds are indicting him for crimes he didn't commit? You guys are aware that his claims, that NASA airbrushes things from its photographs, that we've reverse-engineered "alien" technology and are now using it, aren't really that uncommon.

Or maybe you guys think NASA has been entirely honest with y'all from day one, that we're alone, that it was a weather balloon in Roswell, that we have no "alien" gadgetry, and UFOlogy is populated almost entirely with random, lonely liars and attention-hounds? :rolleyes:

Seems like some of y'all are in denial.

Let me guess you don't believe in the Illuminati, the Jason Group never existed, Project Paperclip never happened and Hitler never had any UFOs, Area-51 where the military tests its UFOs doesn't exist, there's no underground military bases. Let's see. What else? Oh, yeah, and we're alone.

Because the flipside to these beliefs is pretty ugly. The Illuminati controls major world-shaping events, seeks depopulation, absconded Hitlers UFO reverse-engineering scientists to populate the Jason Project, has overseen the construction of underground bases, all for a plot to abandon Earth, which is going through "changes" that might not play into their hands. They've got bases on the moon and fleets of UFOs. They're planning to kill off the bulk of the population, move underground and then launch a program to abandon Earth, the prison planet, the planet of the slave-species that is about out of hydrocarbons and the noble metals which originally brought our alien ancestors here.

Believe what you want. I'm not comfortable with them ramming Saturn with Cassini for numerous reasons. Number one has nothing to do with the above conspiracy theories. I simply don't think we know enough about Saturn to be ramming it with what essentially amounts to a nuclear bomb. Period. And that has nothing to do with the Illuminati, the Masons, the Jason Group, Hitler's UFOs, moon bases, underground bases and whatnot.
 
George Hayduke said:
Or maybe you guys think NASA has been entirely honest with y'all from day one, that we're alone, that it was a weather balloon in Roswell, that we have no "alien" gadgetry, and UFOlogy is populated almost entirely with random, lonely liars and attention-hounds?
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If the alternative is to believe every whacked out story from every shifty-eyed, greasy snake oil salesman who comes along? Then yes.

But of course, that would be flippant and assumptive thinking. Some things are probably true others not, it's all very grey and muddy. To say it's all or nothing would be, frankly insane.

As for McKinnon, what's more believable? A) a crusader for justice trying to crack open the UFO coverup and bring the truth out OR B) a third rate hacker busting into the Pentagon to make a name for himself, getting caught and then trying to cover his ass by claiming he was looking for UFO stuff?

My money's on B.
 
I can't argue with your post. You're entitled to your opinion. It does seem to me like you've stereotyped McKinnon but that's your problem, not mine. ;) Whatever you've got to do to preserve your mindset.
 
George Hayduke said:
Whatever you've got to do to preserve your mindset.
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Right back atcha! Believe me when I say I would LOVE for scenario A to be true but given the way life usually goes and my complete and utter lack of faith in my fellow humans, I'm sticking with B.
 
Touche, Capn, you, not me, are the one calling people liars and stuff. Thus you are actively working to protect your mindset by dismissing certain people's stories for whatever reason you can come up with to rationalize it. Contrarily, you will find that while I don't necessarily embrace everybody's point of view, I'm not going around saying this person is lying, this is a hoax, this is a nutjob talking. That's dismissive. That marginalizes pertinent information. It's no way to do research. Conversely, it is a way to protect a mindset.
 
George Hayduke said:
Touche, Capn, you, not me, are the one ... saying this person is lying, this is a hoax, this is a nutjob talking.
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I am saying no such thing, I am stating which of the two outcomes seems to me the more likely scenario. I do not actually know either way which is fact. You are doing the exact same thing as I but you (for your own reasons) are seemingly leaning more towards scenario A.

You also seem rather hung up on this notion of "defending" one's mindset. Can you honestly say you're not doing the same?
 
There are a number of problems with this idea. First the supposed goal of creating a second sun in our solar system in order to utilize Titan probably won't work first and obviously because Saturn is too small, or so we think. The most that could happen would be for it to become a failed star or dark star, which does give some heat but nowhere approaching a full star's power.

The plus here is that in doing so the rest of the solar system doesn't get hit with a wave of superheated debris, and here is where my knowledge on the subject of star formation comes up short. I have searched but haven't found any info or better yet equations on star formation emissions which include high amounts of radiation and hot debris that is thrown away from the star as it "sheds its skin".

Obviously the radius of these emissions would be limited relative to the size of the star and also dependant a good deal on whether a fusion reaction is sustainable which arguably in the case of Saturn it is not.

Leaving conspiracy out of this, we still shouldn't be haphazardly throwing fissionable materials into a gas giant when we, as far as I'm concerned, don't know what the hell we're doing or what consequences it could have.

The effects seen on Jupiter seem minor because its so large, but Saturn is considerably smaller and this is, if I'm reading this right a much larger payload which could, let's stress could, have a cummulative or even synergystic effect potentially causing drastic changes to both Saturn and Titan, or even further reaching than that.
 
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