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noddwyd said:
There are a number of problems with this idea. First the supposed goal of creating a second sun in our solar system in order to utilize Titan probably won't work first and obviously because Saturn is too small, or so we think. The most that could happen would be for it to become a failed star or dark star, which does give some heat but nowhere approaching a full star's power. Leaving conspiracy out of this, we still shouldn't be haphazardly throwing fissionable materials into a gas giant when we, as far as I'm concerned, don't know what the hell we're doing or what consequences it could have.

The effects seen on Jupiter seem minor because its so large, but Saturn is considerably smaller and this is, if I'm reading this right a much larger payload which could, let's stress could, have a cummulative or even synergystic effect potentially causing drastic changes to both Saturn and Titan, or even further reaching than that.
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Hasn't the guy who started this thread even read 2010 by Arthur C. Clarke???? In that sequel to 2001, Jupiter is turned into the second star in the solar system. But ... even though, Jupiter is more massive than Saturn, millions of monoliths were needed to build up enough mass for it to go nuclear ... as it were. Sooo ... I don't think one wee space probe is enough somehow to make Saturn go to critical mass ... well not in my universe anyway.

And as for the effects of the Cassini probe hitting Saturn? Well its doubtful that anyone knows whats going to happen. But that won't stop the scientists from throwing it into Saturns atmosphere just to see what happens ... remember scientists used to explode nuclear bombs in the atmosphere and in space just to see what happened??

Nothing of major consequence happened though as far as we can tell ... although my third arm is being a bit itchy today :P
 
In Arthur Clarke's 2010: Odyssey Two Clarke called Jupiter, after it ignited, Lucifer.

(Just another case of deja vu all over again.)
 
Holy shit, man. And I thought that I was paranoid...

Now I see I that I don't even know the meaning of paranoia.

You do realize that you sound like a deranged cult member, don't you?

Stop reading whatever it is that you have been reading. It is hurting your brain. You are very close to totally losing your mind, man.
 
Gary McKinnon is full of it. When you listen to his interviews where he goes into detail, it turns out he's basically just a script-kiddie, using some commercial programs to log in to government servers 'wardialling' style. He freely admits the lack of sophistication of his methods. I have an extremely difficult time believing that you are going to find "smoking gun" evidence of the claims he is making using them. He talks about conversations with NASA IT security folks who he freely admits were monitoring his activities, but apparently has never heard of a *honeypot*, which is a shame because that's exactly how he appears to have been caught. (Assuming he wasn't lying to begin with, or unable to interpret what he saw- his descriptions are pretty nebulous.)

I mean think about it, we put a whole fleet of "offworld officers" or whoever it was into space, or other dimensions, or wherever... but we used some crappy off-the-shelf, *unencrypted* Microsoft product to protect the underlying database where we presumably coordinate all this?

And of course "I saw secret UFO evidence, please don't deport me, your honor" sounds a lot better than "I saw pretty much the same sort of mundane confidential information I saw when I hacked into our own servers here at home, your honor."

This is coming from someone who is perfectly willing to believe the sort of stuff he is claiming, but from Gary, no. Sad to say, but I've known a few Garys in my time (none of them as unlucky, fortunately), unemployed yet relatively intelligent hacker potheads sitting at home in front of the internet 24 hours a day, each with a story about the day they found something really unbelievable. And while they're cool sorts and I don't want to judge them harshly, I always take their claims with a bit of salt, which frankly I think is important in this field.

Of course I believe he should be given a fair trial and every benefit of the doubt, and I take strong issue with the way his case has been prosecuted and the legal and political issues that go along with it. If I were a lawyer I'd be very happy to do all I could defending Gary, but that's an issue totally aside from anything to do with UFO's or coverups in my mind.
 
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