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I agree with all the statements about how horrid this was. It's called 'Black Friday' because it's the day that will pull retailers out of the red and into the black.
I wonder how many of the people were using the last of their credit limit on their cards to buy crap they don't need and then can't afford to pay back :question:
 
Several years ago, I went to pick up a lay-away at our local Wal-mart. I made the mistake of going when the store opened (at the time, it wasn't open 24 hours). I was pushed to the front of the "herd" and literally landed on the lay-away counter. I came away with a cracked rib and a very bad feeling about my fellow humans. I've never used lay-away again, and if I have to go to the store, I go very late at night or very early in the morning to avoid the crowd. My sympathies go out to the deceased's loved ones and friends.
 
I made the mistake of going to Best Buy to try and find the Mystery Science Theater 20 year anniversary box set (they were sold out of course). Then I tried to buy the new release from Otep which was also sold out. Now I'm really irritated. So I just decided to browse around the store. One disturbing thing I noticed was the 20 or so people I saw buying Rock band items. I mean there was a Sam Ash music store (that's Disneyland for me ) about 5 minutes away were you could buy a real instrument and Amp beginners kit for the same price. I still remember the sense of pride I felt when I learned my first song way back in the day. I haven't played Rockband or Guitar Hero but do you actually learn these songs or is it like Simon were you have to just remember flashing lights?

I also noticed that nobody looked very happy (myself included). I was very irritated that it took me 20 minutes to get out of the parking lot
 
Here's a herd of troglodytes battling it out for an x-box and 'guitar-hero.'

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One disturbing thing I noticed was the 20 or so people I saw buying Rock band items. I mean there was a Sam Ash music store (that's Disneyland for me ) about 5 minutes away were you could buy a real instrument and Amp beginners kit for the same price. I still remember the sense of pride I felt when I learned my first song way back in the day. I haven't played Rockband or Guitar Hero but do you actually learn these songs or is it like Simon were you have to just remember flashing lights?

They're a glorified version of Simon - press the buttons to match the mindless action on screen, no talent required. It just boggles the mind, kids have computers that can run an amazing array of creative tools, and all they want to do is use iTunes or chat applications. They can buy a great starter electric guitar for what the shitty GH or RB plastic controller costs, but a real guitar requires real effort and investment of time. The kids want instant gratification, anything beyind that turns them off. It's a generation of consumers, NOT producers. Sad, and more than a little frightening, if you ask me.

dB
 
I'm big into vid games, and music, but don't understand the fascination with Gutiar hero at all. Guess it's for posers. I liked the South Park episode that dealt with it.

Screw stores, I order my shit online mostly.

Cabagge patch kids flash back occurred to me when I read the headline btw.

If anyone wants to buy me Fallout 3 for xmas, I'm game:)
 
It just shows that as a species we are failing and as a society we are a nation of lowlife scumbags.

That is why we can kill millions of people around the world and not give a fuck.

That is why the US government can fly planes into buldings to kill their own and people don't give a damn.

That is why we can put floride in water that is a deadly toxin.

That is why we can have a financial system that is a total ponzi scheme and nobody goes to jail.

That is why we have a society that got willingly fooled by "Obama" and think positive "CHANGE" is coming.

We are an ignorant bunch of savages, cowards, and self-intilted creeps in general. I am not among them and to me I don't consider myself to be anything "special" but rather have morales and care about people. I think that is normal. To think people would KILL to hand over their fraud money to CHINA to me speaks volumes of what is going on. It is what it is. At least at the end of the day I still have my soul and I guess that is all I can be thankful for.
 
They're a glorified version of Simon - press the buttons to match the mindless action on screen, no talent required. It just boggles the mind, kids have computers that can run an amazing array of creative tools, and all they want to do is use iTunes or chat applications. They can buy a great starter electric guitar for what the shitty GH or RB plastic controller costs, but a real guitar requires real effort and investment of time. The kids want instant gratification, anything beyind that turns them off. It's a generation of consumers, NOT producers. Sad, and more than a little frightening, if you ask me.

dB


I feel something needs to be said here. Does every activity have to be creative, or require talent? Is there not a place for entertainment? If there was hard data to prove that Johnny Suburbs now plays less of his real guitar and more Rockband, then I wanna see it. Rockband and Guitar Hero are just fun games that have a musical element to them. No one is claiming that if you play the game you will learn skills on the real thing.

In fact here are some stats that show that rather than evil products like Guitar Hero glorifying the lazy and untalented, they are actually getting more people onto real instruments and real musicians onto their real instruments more often:

According to Guitar Center's findings, 67 percent of rhythm gamers responded that they're likely to pick up an actual instrument within the next two years. On top of that,81 percent of players said that Rock Band or Guitar Hero had motivated them to ask their loved ones for a musical instrument as a gift this holiday season. Naturally pleased with this year's 26.9 percent jump in sales to first-timers, Guitar Center's executive vice president Norman Hajjar remarked, "This spike of interest in playing actual instruments stemming from a video game is an unprecedented phenomenon," adding, "Most video games sell fantasy, but Guitar Hero and Rock Band are selling a dream that can be realized. These games plant an achievable goal in the heart of the player and that, in turn, drives our business."
Dr. Larry Livingston -- music director at the Thornton School of Music at the University of Southern California -- sees rhythm games as an excellent primer for getting into music:
"These games are a painless and fantastically seductive entrée to playing music. They engage your mind, body and soul, creating a whole sense of the movement of music. Having tasted the experience, players may want to move from the simulated to the real. Therefore, it's no surprise that these games have whetted the appetite for the real deal."​
Gamers aren't the only ones benefiting from the influence of plastic guitars, however; Guitar Center's survey goes on to suggest that 72 percent of musicians who also play Guitar Hero or Rock Band spend more time with their real-world instruments as a result. Even former Guns & Roses axe-slinger Slash -- who appeared in Guitar Hero III -- seems to appreciate the positive effects of games on the music industry, saying, "At first I was apprehensive... But anything that exposes people to music new or old is a positive thing. Then I came to find out that a lot of the kids who are playing these video games aspire to pick up a real guitar which, I think, is a bonus."
Source:

Rock Band and Guitar Hero Turning Gamers into Musicians, Says Guitar Center Survey

Im not as into these games as some, but I did play through Guitar Hero 2 to completion, and I gotta say they can be a lot of fun. Now did this replace my time I use to practise the sax? No of course not. Its just a bit of fun.... and dont let the idea that it requires no talent to play these games fool ya', as they can get really fricken hard as the difficulty ramps up. And as with all good games you feel satisfaction as your skills improve and you can play harder songs.

YouTube - Ben - GH2 - PS2 - Jordan - FC - 499K - Expert

If you could show me hard date to prove otherwise then I dont see how these games could be anything more than entertainment. The typical reaction is to claim that they are a product of an instant gratification lazy generation but I really dont see that theres any basis in that.
 
Well said, Gareth.

If you could show me hard date to prove otherwise then I dont see how these games could be anything more than entertainment. The typical reaction is to claim that they are a product of an instant gratification lazy generation but I really dont see that theres any basis in that.

There's also the consideration of talent. Not everyone can play guitar. Not everyone who can play guitar plays it well. And even the people who can play well technically may lack the creative drive to become an actual musician (composing, etc). Guitar hero gives these people a watered-down taste of something they would otherwise never, EVER be able to do. People have limits.
 
I prefer games where I slit people's throats lol. If Guitar hero consisted of me playing the part of Ozzy and I could bite the head off Instink, that would be cool.
 
What is most damning about this article, is that there was a stampede of ravenous consumers who gave no thought to the safety or the lives of others. All they concerned themselves with, was getting cheap Chinese made shit to make their lives feel fulfilled.

Every person in that store at the front of the stampede should be arrested for negilgent homicide.

When I see shit like this, I'm thankful that my genetic predisposition is to avoid crowds, or HERDS of sheeple.

Every day our nation fails in some way, by creating consumers, instead of creating free thinking producers.

Have to agree with your point here Tommy. Just of topic a bit, The worlds seems for me at least to be changeing shape, i guess time will tell if the will be a good thing or a bad thing?

China and Russian intentions to how they can influence the world, worrys me, honestly it really does.

Ok we couldnt win the cold war by rifles and bullets, what is the best next thing, do it by economics.

China may have control of certain industrys or even public instuitions not within in there own nation, but yours and mine, yes guys this could be indeed possible, imagine we had a even more serious economic crisis then we have now in the future, think about it!!

Sorry for the rant just had to express that view because we value our freedoms or so called freedoms, but what kind of real freedoms do this these two nations give to there population? I dont want there money in my country, i tell you that much. O yes dont leave out Middle eastern countries too.
 
i cant stand crowds or shops or kids at the best of times, so i loath xmas with a passion the Grinch would have been proud of.
i recently ventured into a toys R us store here to get a set of infra red night vision goggles that were insanely cheap.
i remarked to my wife i would prefer to do a micheal jackson and have the store opened after hours just for me, rather than have to dodge the pint sized pinballs of humanity that careened up and down the isles.

but thats a toy store for you .full of kids, what i dont get is ppl who drag 3 kids into the supermarket with them , the store owner is there to sell products i am there to buy them, its a shop not a daycare centre. i cant bring my 3 dogs along to clog up the isles, why do ppl bring these hobgoblins along. now dont get me wrong when i was very young, some of my best friends were children.

these days my view is they are born evil, and slowly (if your lucky) evolve into sentient creatures over time.

these two with the guns were prob star wars generation kids, and were fighting over the last ultimate lightsabre kit on the shelf
 
I hate Xmas too..it disgusts me! The commerciality of it, I mean! I did it for years for my kids' sake, but that was it!

Not only do I not believe that Jesus was born on Dec 25th, but I'm also not a Christian. (Nor of any organized religion/school of thought, now!)

Who doesn't love to give/receive gifts tho....:D

But yeah, my favorite holiday is Halloween!:)

Bixyboo
 
Christmas is fun for getting drunk all day! Especially here in Australia where its hot. For the past maybe 5 years one gift I have been getting was the latest Seinfeld box set that was released and I used to really enjoy watching a few episodes and a few of the bloopers and stuff in that.
 
Christmas is fun for getting drunk all day! Especially here in Australia where its hot. For the past maybe 5 years one gift I have been getting was the latest Seinfeld box set that was released and I used to really enjoy watching a few episodes and a few of the bloopers and stuff in that.

Right on brother. Thats the spice of life.

But for me its Mystery Science Theater 3000 instead Seinfeld.

I actually like the holidays. I enjoy giving people gifts as well as receiving them. However I refuse to spend the remainder of the next year paying off my Christmas splurge at 30% interest. A little bit of planning and saving goes a long way.

Its the actual process of getting the gift from a store that makes my head assplode.
 
Y'all aren't thinking clearly about this incident. Have you ever been to Walmart? Haven't you seen the damn nigh five square acres of splendid trinkets and toys and other goodies for sale at discount prices? Why, just yesterday I was at Walmart, in the sporting goods section. An employee, stocking the shelves, was standing right in front of the baseball equipment. I waited at least 3 seconds, patiently, even letting out the customary dry cough to show him I was waiting. Well, I brained him all over the goddamned floor with a Louisville Slugger for that, discounted of course at only 39.99! It was a 60 dollar baseball bat!

In the clothing section, some 6 year old brat took the last pokemon hat, which I had clearly seen first. He knew that it was mine, so I choked him to death right then and there.

You all need to wake up and join the twenty-second century. It's a dog eat dog world, as they say, and I see no problem at all with consumers triumphantly knocking down the door and stampeding all over a young man who barely had a chance to experience adulthood. He shouldn't have been standing there, after all, not when lead toys and melamine baby food fill the isles. And need I remind you that we're in an economic recession? Those people should be applauded for their eagerness to spend money in a slumping economy. That's what we should all be doing, buying stuff. In fact, this Christmas, local governments should issue weapons to concerned shoppers. Guns, swords, knives, explosives. Spears would also be helpful. When there is a high demand for cheap, imported goods and a dwindling supply, people should be allowed to solve their problems like civilized barbarians.

I feel so proud and unashamed to be a human right now. It is the Christmas season and high time to rejoice.
 
You all need to wake up and join the twenty-second century. It's a dog eat dog world, as they say, and I see no problem at all with consumers triumphantly knocking down the door and stampeding all over a young man who barely had a chance to experience adulthood. He shouldn't have been standing there, after all, not when lead filled toys and melamine baby food fill the isles. And need I remind you that we're in an economic recession? Those people should be applauded for their eagerness to spend money in a slumping economy. That's what we should all be doing, buying stuff. In fact, this Christmas, local governments should issue weapons to concerned shoppers. Guns, swords, knives, explosives. Spears would also be helpful. When there is a high demand for cheap, imported goods and a dwindling supply, people should be allowed to solve their problems like civilized barbarians.

I feel so proud and unashamed to be a human right now. It is the Christmas season and high time to rejoice.

Hail to the king baby, praise JEEBUS!!
 
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