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Marzulli is on the right track..IMHO
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David Biedny
Paranormal Adept
bobheck
Disco still sucks.
Hey Dave, that's a lame link.
I don't claim the world to be 12,ooo years old .
I believe the idea of the Evil that is ruining/running this Earth is real.
That the Nazi Holocaust was a sad blood ritual makes sense too.
I don't know why those freaks followed Hitler anymore than the present day freaks that have followed Bush into Iraq.
I'm glad it isn't my son or daughter being killed over there.
The world is a fuckin' mess & has been for thousands of years. WHY?
I don't claim the world to be 12,ooo years old .
I believe the idea of the Evil that is ruining/running this Earth is real.
That the Nazi Holocaust was a sad blood ritual makes sense too.
I don't know why those freaks followed Hitler anymore than the present day freaks that have followed Bush into Iraq.
I'm glad it isn't my son or daughter being killed over there.
The world is a fuckin' mess & has been for thousands of years. WHY?
bobheck
Disco still sucks.
WHY?
Because of the zealousness inherent in of most of the world's religions that's why. Think the Christians are different? Read about the different Inquisitions and the Crusades (in detail). Pretty much the same thought process and methods of the current day Muslim fundamentalists. Our way or die, pig.
And don't start throwing Bible passages my way. I have read the Bible. I know what it says.
The current (Protestant) Christian religion is only a few hundred years old. Jesus would not recognize it. After all, the New Testament clearly states that women should never teach men, women should always wear hats in church, and that nonbelievers should not work with believers (sound familiar?). Is today's church following any of that?
For most of Christian history, they were blood thirsty -- hanging people, garroting and beheading people, and burning women at the stake for being witches.
Sorry for the rant. But you asked why.
If you disagree (and I have not researched this) I request you give me one example of a war that did not have a religious element as one of the major causes of the war. I am betting there won't be many.
AnnetteMarie
Skilled Investigator
Napoleonic wars, Boer War, Vietnam, Korean, Spanish Civil War, War between the States, War of 1812, WWI and WWII...
money. power. land. ego. oops, forgot independence.
AnnetteMarie
Skilled Investigator
add Iraq war, that was basically oil dressed up in sheik's clothing...
again, my opinion.
again, my opinion.
I don't come here to fight & bicker.
I'm a little quick to swing back though.
I'm trying to make sense out of the UFO & Alien stuff.
I'm trying to understand my Higher Power & fellow man/woman.
I dream of peace on earth & an end to hunger & war & lies & manipulation.
I don't believe I'm alone in my dreams..
I'm a little quick to swing back though.
I'm trying to make sense out of the UFO & Alien stuff.
I'm trying to understand my Higher Power & fellow man/woman.
I dream of peace on earth & an end to hunger & war & lies & manipulation.
I don't believe I'm alone in my dreams..
bobheck
Disco still sucks.
Well, some of those I agree. WW2 and Jews though? Not the only reason, but a significant element of the war.
Nevertheless, good examples, Annette. Maybe I should have researched a little more about that statement. However, many a war have been fought because of religious differences.
David Biedny
Paranormal Adept
Bill Hicks? Lame?
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AnnetteMarie
Skilled Investigator
Rowdy 27
Marzulli was interviewed a while back. he basically would not give an inch, and did try very hard to manipulate an answer he wanted in order to prove a point.
people who speak from solid knowledge get a lot further if they let the facts speak for themselves.
also, they make for a really solid interview when they discuss, rather than pontificate.
there was a very active thread on Marzulli for awhile.
whatever logic there is to his thinking, he did not present it very well, and presented it as fact, rather than theory.
Marzulli was interviewed a while back. he basically would not give an inch, and did try very hard to manipulate an answer he wanted in order to prove a point.
people who speak from solid knowledge get a lot further if they let the facts speak for themselves.
also, they make for a really solid interview when they discuss, rather than pontificate.
there was a very active thread on Marzulli for awhile.
whatever logic there is to his thinking, he did not present it very well, and presented it as fact, rather than theory.
AnnetteMarie
Skilled Investigator
I agree that religion has been used as a whip to froth the emotions in order to feed the war machine with fresh cannon fodder. However, WWII had nothing to do with the Jewish religion, and everything to do with a despotic insane lunatic using whatever means he could to gain, and keep, control over a population that was already beaten down like a sick puppy, humiliated, and shamed. They looked at him like the second coming of Christ, so, maybe, there was some religion to it.
WWI sowed the seeds of WWII. At least that is what we were taught in school.
People were starving, money was worth less than toilet paper, a loaf of bread that cost a million marks at 9 a.m., cost 3 million at noon. little dick came along and spread a message of hope, and gradually shifted all the blame for the country's ills and poverty onto a group that basically harmed nobody. and maybe their religion had something to do with that, too, because up to then it was nothing unusual for them to allow themselves to be shoved from one country to another, take the path of least resistance, so to speak. Not saying an individual here or there wouldn't put up a fight, legally or otherwise, but on the whole, the Jews did get shafted in many different places, by many different societies.
When he was so successful in blaming that group, and nobody objected, well, hell, he moved onto another, then another, and so on.
Things are slightly different, now. not a whole heck of a lot, but a bit.
long-winded rant, and off the top of my head. It has been a long time since junior high, so feel free to correct me where I erred.
aNorthernSoul
Professional Breather
Again, I think basing your opinion on Marzuli based on the Paracast interview is foolish. It was a terrible interview. Marzuli didn't get a chance to get into anything really let alone his research because it turned into a challenge of wills between one guy's belief in something and one guy's anti-belief in it. Even now looking at how this thread has played out really shows something. It's quite odd how both sides of that argument are so indoctrinated... both the Christians and the anti-Christians. Personally, I like to take it all in and pull the tidbits of good from both without requiring some game of intellectual gotcha.
AnnetteMarie
Skilled Investigator
I have heard Marzulli before, and was disappointed with his interview this time around. He was much better when the first person I heard interview him gave him a long, long, long lead. that is not saying much for Marzulli.
He did not go into his research, and he could have. Several times he alluded to stuff but skirted right past it, no facts, research, etc., offered to back up his statements.
I don't think he was cut off from that opportunity. He spent much too much time badgering for an answer to a question he should not have asked; that time could have been spent outlining or detailing the research he has done.
maybe David does have a negative bias on this subject - he has a bias against a lot of stuff. but when somebody comes along and talks about what 'they' have found to be true because 'x' backed it up, then I have heard db back down and listen to details of what was done to prove their claims, observations, etc.
so, the fact that several of us see the interview from different perspectives only proves that our hosts are doing their jobs - provoking discussion and thought about what is presented. that is a good thing, non?
aNorthernSoul
Professional Breather
I think provoking discussion on the key points is a good thing for sure. I just don't see that as what is going on here. No real hard points were firmly made during the interview besides the idea of secular vs. religious. I also didn't see it so much as Marzuli trying to manipulate an answer, I seen it as trying to setup a point and being stuck on the setup do to an unwillingness to theorize. It was like a general, almost rhetorical question that wound up stumping the conversation. I seen this as a clash of bias which likely shouldn't occur in most interviews.
Now to clarify though, I'm not trying to trash the interviewing skills of the Paracast by any means. While I think there is obviously areas that could use improvement, that can be said for any interviewing platform. Obviously if I didn't find the Paracast interviews and the style of those interviews informative and enlightening, I wouldn't be listening. I just think in this particular case, it didn't provide any real information which is unfortunate because Marzuli usually does bring some insights to the discussion both from a philosophical point of view and with some hard data as well. I also don't fault the breakdown to one side of the discussion, it just didn't work out due to methods imployed by both sides.
David Biedny
Paranormal Adept
Here's the thing - and I gotta be quick, in-between interviews right this moment:
I'll obviously speak for myself here (Gene can chime in if he likes with his own take) - I've never considered myself an actual interviewer, and I've never claimed to be skilled or trained as such. The way I see it, folks come on here and have a discussion, a debate, a chat about a topic and their thoughts regarding said topic. We don't have a list of questions prepared, we don't ask the guest to submit a list of questions they want the host to ask them (standard procedure on shows like C2C, in case no one was aware of it). Most other shows let the guest pontificate and present their views, and don't really ask any probing questions. The Paracast is a different beast. Marzulli made statements that relied on faith and indoctrination, and backed his claims up with precious little fact or substantiation. In a classroom environment, he'd get a D+ for his presentation, for lacking any sense of structure, reasoning or logic.
OK, time to go, next "interview" coming up... :
dB
I'll obviously speak for myself here (Gene can chime in if he likes with his own take) - I've never considered myself an actual interviewer, and I've never claimed to be skilled or trained as such. The way I see it, folks come on here and have a discussion, a debate, a chat about a topic and their thoughts regarding said topic. We don't have a list of questions prepared, we don't ask the guest to submit a list of questions they want the host to ask them (standard procedure on shows like C2C, in case no one was aware of it). Most other shows let the guest pontificate and present their views, and don't really ask any probing questions. The Paracast is a different beast. Marzulli made statements that relied on faith and indoctrination, and backed his claims up with precious little fact or substantiation. In a classroom environment, he'd get a D+ for his presentation, for lacking any sense of structure, reasoning or logic.
OK, time to go, next "interview" coming up... :
dB