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Nail from Christ's cross found.

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Well it's reasonable to assume that God, doesn't exist in the form, we often believe he does

I think it is reasonable to say that any god concept that humanity has ever entertained is false. Why do I think this? One reason is that it is impossible for human beings to know of anything outside of our time/space resource restrictions. The origin of the universe (if there is one) and its end are outside of the tiny bubble of time/space that our species has ever and will ever occupy. People who claim to "know" who created the universe, who claim to have a "relationship" whatever that was, are just whistling in the dark. This is my opinion of course, formed from having spent the majority of my life as a "believer" and then abandoning my faith after I could no longer justify it.

Where is heaven? Heaven, paradise, the abode of the god(s), is part of the human imagination. What science tells us is that we live in a quantum soup from which our central nervous systems construct a 3 dimensional model that allows us to navigate through and survive in the true multi-dimensional reality (which I refer to as "quantum soup" for lack of better term) that surrounds us. I have come to think that this larger domain that is detectable to us only through instrumentation, contains the origin of all that which is referred to as paranormal (that isn't some function of human psychology) and that while our senses and brain/mind only present to us a limited 3-dimensional model of what is happening around us, we actually live within the multi-dimensional quantum reality along with many other things that are out of design specification to detect. The heavens or spirit world of religious/superstitious myth has a corollary in this larger domain. What we think of as "the real world" is actually a 3-D virtual reality model constructed by our individual brain/mind systems which contains information gleaned from the "true" reality of the quantum soup but is in actually composed of "brain/mind" stuff. It is in a word an illusion and is not the real world it represents. (Damn this is strong coffee.)

While some may argue that my admission of a larger invisible domain outside of human perception allows for god, gods, and the plethora of spiritual beings and monsters so many people place their faith in, I would say "no." It only indicates that our stories and myths about that domain are undeniably false since we know our space/time restrictions prevent us from "knowing" enough about it to form reliable models of it. If some higher order being could actually intrude into human reality and talk to us why would we believe anything it said? If it claimed to be the creator and worked a few magic tricks for us should we believe it? I think not. If a shining being appeared before you and overwhelmed your central nervous system with waves of peace and joy and proclaims itself god or your guardian angel or something why should you believe it? This goes double for human beings who claim to be a god or some spiritual channel for gods or aliens.

The con-game of religious relics is as old as dirt. People fall for it in droves every day. If it isn't a nail from the cross it is G-bus in a taco, or a goddess in a water stain. It is all part of the story humanity tells itself in an attempt to find some comfort in a hostile and indifferent universe. We've made up things so we won't have to think about the perils of hairy little animals hurtling trough space on a mud-ball at the mercy of solar-flares, gamma-ray bursts, and space debris that could end our existence without a moments notice. Or so it seems to me. But what do I know? Don't listen to me.
 
If a shining being appeared before you and overwhelmed your central nervous system with waves of peace and joy and proclaims itself god or your guardian angel or something why should you believe it? This goes double for human beings who claim to be a god or some spiritual channel for gods or aliens.

For that matter what are the odds it wouldn't fry our tiny 3D brains to engage in such contact? The solution of course would be some sort of dampner or filter through which the higher beings could "tone down" their messages to a level we could tolerate but that would just reinforce the reality that whoever they are and whatever they say, it's not really them and not the whole message, it's just the amount of information we can handle presented in a form we can understand by a puppet, making the whole thing practically worthless.

As I have often said, the idea of God talking directly to man is about as likely as an elephant talking to an ant: It ain't gonna happen.
 
Well if you want some one to pin this mess on I give you one British-born Flavius Constantinus (originally Custennyn or Custennin 272 – 337 CE) other wise known as Constantine.
 
I think it is reasonable to say that any god concept that humanity has ever entertained is false. Why do I think this? One reason is that it is impossible for human beings to know of anything outside of our time/space resource restrictions. The origin of the universe (if there is one) and its end are outside of the tiny bubble of time/space that our species has ever and will ever occupy. People who claim to "know" who created the universe, who claim to have a "relationship" whatever that was, are just whistling in the dark. This is my opinion of course, formed from having spent the majority of my life as a "believer" and then abandoning my faith after I could no longer justify it.

Interesting post well written and very logical. However what you write is just a hypothesis. I have no overalll problems with what you wrote. I tend to agree with your analyse it rings true. We are in agreement what we do know about "God" is probably false. I do believe in a higher being or conciousness and part of the UFO mystery perhaps is "God" showing us he exists in a form we could understand while still maintaining that mystery of not knowing what we looking at. But there is no way anyone could understand that other reality, if it exists, while living and occupying here world, perhaps death is the only way, we can experience that other realm in any meaningful way?
 
talking sh!t about the Lord will get you in trouble...

Malachi 2:3 (King James Version)

Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
 
talking sh!t about the Lord will get you in trouble...

Malachi 2:3 (King James Version)

Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.

I'm in deep deep sh!t then :(
 
you guys want to go hang out on the wall and drink with the boys?:


Isaiah 36:12 (King James Version)

But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

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after the dung appetizers above you might want to have the main course:


2 Kings 6:29 (King James Version)

So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.

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Don't forget the bread with the meal!


Ezekiel 4:15 (King James Version)

Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

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Don't drink to much after the meal... incest is best, I guess:

Genesis 19:30-38 (King James Version)

And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

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Of course all of this was taken out of context... Thus ends the scripture reading for today. Please leave 20% of your income in the plate as it comes around.
 
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