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[Kieran]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't insinuated that anything occurred other than the official story.

I don't know where the plane that flew over the Pent went, but don't you think that ought to be investigated?

I don't know enough about aeronautics to say what may or may not have been possible regarding the flight path, but I sure would like to see a panel of pilots and aeronautic engineers discussing this objectively, wouldn't you?

I won't even bother discussing the minuscule amount of wreckage found, but if you think the photos of people holding scraps of debris is a sufficient amount of remains for a 757, then maybe you ought to image search commercial airline crashes.

If you are satisfied with the official story - great. I, for one, see evidence that significantly compromises the facts of the official story. I think there are an awful lot of questions that need to be answered and a whole lot of speculation that ought to be curbed.

Well you siad, something else happened so you can't be buying the official story than.

One witness, siad, they saw a plane fly over the pentagon. Who is the witness? Then we can go from there. We can check the background of that person and validate the persons claim.

Your third point, i agree with.

Wreckage, is something than can not be dismissed away.We have also have signs of Aircraft wreckage within the walls of the pentagon. Look at the links, i previously provided and you see what i mean.Most of the Airplane entered the Pentagon walls.The link provides adequate information for what happened to the plane.

I dont buy the official story. I think there might be something to story than meets the eye. I think they might have led it happen. The other claims made, lack evidence that is all i am trying to say.

 

[jimbo83478]

I am most certainly not buying the official story.

One witness, siad, they saw a plane fly over the pentagon. Who is the witness? Then we can go from there. We can check the background of that person and validate the persons claim.

The witness reported his observations in the end of that video. I don't remember his name.

 

[Kieran]

I am most certainly not buying the official story.



The witness reported his observations in the end of that video. I don't remember his name.

I see a picture on one hour.. 16 minutes... Is that a genuine photograph? Now if that is geniune. Then that is interesting indeed.I can only see two engines on that Airplane.If anyone with knowledge can verify that photograph.I be very interested.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

When I saw the WTC collapse that day, my initial reaction was very clear,...demolition. \

I must admit that when I saw the WTC collapse it reminded me of a controlled demolition.

 

[Gojira2006]

I must admit that when I saw the WTC collapse it reminded me of a controlled demolition.

Tower # 7's collapse really bothers me, as well . . .

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Tower # 7's collapse really bothers me, as well . . .

I agree.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

It seems strange that all of the collapses were identical in style. They all fell (or collapsed if you will), demolition like, to the ground.

 

[Gojira2006]

It seems strange that all of the collapses were identical in style. They all fell (or collapsed if you will), demolition like, to the ground.

:question: Especially for the two main towers, which were designed specifically to withstand collisions from airplanes, & it's even more strange when we consider that the fires had almost burned themselves out on many of the floors . . . :question:

 

[The Pair of Cats]

:question: Especially for the two main towers, which were designed specifically to withstand collisions from airplanes, & it's even more strange when we consider that the fires had almost burned themselves out on many of the floors . . . :question:

Agreed. A most terrible tragedy and appalling loss of innocent life.

 

[Kieran]

The Pentagon official story, has many problems.Many of their own makeing.

We have engine parts which are visible in this pictures They must come from a type of plane.

Surely somebody can look at it, identify it, and give some details. Is it from a 757.

Than we might end some of the debate. This Site shows wreckagehttp://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/conclusions/debris.html
It looks pretty good to me this site.

The official video of the pentagon attacks. This adds fuel to the conspiracy. If they have Better video. It should be released. If they dont, then you must question why not? There is a number of cameras within that area. Yet only one video.Why?


Twin towers, This website gives a good insight to why the towers came down. Read it, it seems plausible. It a better explanation than saying bombs were used. When we have no evidence.http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/eagar-0112.html

 

[pixelsmith]

The Pentagon official story, has many problems.Many of their own makeing.

We have engine parts which are visible in this pictures They must come from a type of plane.

Surely somebody can look at it, identify it, and give some details. Is it from a 757.

Than we might end some of the debate. This Site shows wreckagehttp://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/conclusions/debris.html
It looks pretty good to me this site.

The official video of the pentagon attacks. This adds fuel to the conspiracy. If they have Better video. It should be released. If they dont, then you must question why not? There is a number of cameras within that area. Yet only one video.Why?


Twin towers, This website gives a good insight to why the towers came down. Read it, it seems plausible. It a better explanation than saying bombs were used. When we have no evidence.http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/eagar-0112.html

no it is not a better explanation. you better go thru the blueprints before you think that. you can find them here: AE911Truth

 

[Darkly Brooding]

I dont buy the official story. I think there might be something to story than meets the eye. I think they might have led it happen.

Yay!,...he's coming around folks!

Twin towers, This website gives a good insight to why the towers came down. Read it, it seems plausible. It a better explanation than saying bombs were used. When we have no evidence.http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM...agar-0112.html

And, a hit & a miss,...
That link is so full of speculation and pseudo-science it hurts my brain,...It sounds very close to the National Geographic and Popular Mechanics dis-information that was released to try and explain what NISC reported.

It's just so unbelievable to me that all three buildings fell at free fall velocity directly in their own footprints.

Ok, answer me this then,...Provide just one example of another steel structure building collapsing in the same manner, at any time in history...just one. There have been many that have burned for days and never exhibited this type of collapse. Perhaps if WTC 1&2 had burned for days, the entire collapse may have been more probable, but that would've cost Manhattan money. It's so astronomically impossible that at least one of those three buildings wouldn't have swaggered slightly, or partially collapsed, and damaged another nearby building...im-freaking-possible.

PS-did you know the owner Silverstein took out a brand new insurance policy on his new 'money-bleeding' investments to cover,....wait for it,...terrorist attacks,....just a month before this happened? His payout was $5.7 BILLION, compared to spending the $2billion it would have cost to upgrade his new assets, I'd say that was an incredible amount of forsight, and damn good business acumen.

But don't take my word on it. Richard Gage has become reknown for his work in this topic over the past couple years. As a former architect, he was himself first a skeptic.
You can find a great interview from (s)Noory's show here:


It's difficult to turn that initial corner of suspicion, as the subject matter demands respect for the fallen of that day, but I suggest, finding the truth in what actually happened is the greatest respect one could give the victims of 9/11.

 

[Gojira2006]

Ok, answer me this then,...Provide just one example of another steel structure building collapsing in the same manner, at any time in history...just one.

World Trade Center Tower # 1 fell just like World Trade Center Tower # 2, & World Trade Center Tower # 7 fell just like World Trade Center Tower # 1, & World Trade Center Tower # 2 fell just like World Trade Center Tower # 7, & . . .

 

[Kieran]

Yay!,...he's coming around folks!



And, a hit & a miss,...
That link is so full of speculation and pseudo-science it hurts my brain,...It sounds very close to the National Geographic and Popular Mechanics dis-information that was released to try and explain what NISC reported.

It's just so unbelievable to me that all three buildings fell at free fall velocity directly in their own footprints.

Ok, answer me this then,...Provide just one example of another steel structure building collapsing in the same manner, at any time in history...just one. There have been many that have burned for days and never exhibited this type of collapse. Perhaps if WTC 1&2 had burned for days, the entire collapse may have been more probable, but that would've cost Manhattan money. It's so astronomically impossible that at least one of those three buildings wouldn't have swaggered slightly, or partially collapsed, and damaged another nearby building...im-freaking-possible.

PS-did you know the owner Silverstein took out a brand new insurance policy on his new 'money-bleeding' investments to cover,....wait for it,...terrorist attacks,....just a month before this happened? His payout was $5.7 BILLION, compared to spending the $2billion it would have cost to upgrade his new assets, I'd say that was an incredible amount of forsight, and damn good business acumen.

But don't take my word on it. Richard Gage has become reknown for his work in this topic over the past couple years. As a former architect, he was himself first a skeptic.
You can find a great interview from (s)Noory's show here:


It's difficult to turn that initial corner of suspicion, as the subject matter demands respect for the fallen of that day, but I suggest, finding the truth in what actually happened is the greatest respect one could give the victims of 9/11.

We are always going to have opposite sides in the Argument.The twin towers came down from top to bottom. I have looked at the videos many times of the towers falling.

We have The first tower.

With a large amount of fire burning on the top floors.

When the second plane hit.

The second tower, more damage was caused to those floors than the first hit on the First tower.This fire moved up the floors towards the top on the second tower were previously little damage was caused by the impact of the second plane.

Demolitions, if bombs were placed into this top floors. Do you not think they would not have gone off straight away? or become useless with this amount of fire and damage in both twin towers?

The argument for a demolition near the end of the towers is not there. Until you have evidence for demolition job which can be verifyed by everyone as geniune. You be forever just a talking shop no offense.

I siad, they might have led it happen. I did not say. I believe everything you suggested.The pentagon official story has many problems. i agree. Yet, we can not dismiss the evidence of a plane crash. We have materials that seem to come from an engine in photographs. If someone can verify what plane it came from and if indeed, it is proven not to come from a commercial Airliner.

Then i believe it worth looking at more closely. At this stage everything points to flight 77 haveing crashed into the pentagon.

 

[Gojira2006]

I siad, they might have led it happen. I did not say.

That's very similar to the debate that's still going on about Pearl Harbor - namely did FDR & the military have detailed, advanced knowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor, &/or did FDR purposely goad the Japanese into attacking the US base in an attempt to get the United States into the War . . . A good book detailing the theory is Gordon Prange's At Dawn We Slept: The Untold Story of Pearl Harbor . . . I read it awhile ago for a class I was taking on the World Wars, & it was certainly thought-provoking . . .

 

[Kieran]

That's very similar to the debate that's still going on about Pearl Harbor - namely did FDR & the military have detailed, advanced knowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor, &/or did FDR purposely goad the Japanese into attacking the US base in an attempt to get the United States into the War . . . A good book detailing the theory is Gordon Prange's At Dawn We Slept: The Untold Story of Pearl Harbor . . . I read it awhile ago for a class I was taking on the World Wars, & it was certainly thought-provoking . . .

Look at the first interview. Bush did after the twin towers were attacked. You get it on CNN. It pretty obvious to me, if indeed somebody like cheney? led it happen. He was not included in the details.
Pentagon attack, is the only event of the day.Maybe? they could have ended sooner?

This was a confuseing day and you have to think also that the goverment were not sure themselves of the enormity of the situation.

We have to remember. They probably indeed had plans that should attacks may take place. You have to look at it from all angles.

If they had details, full details, when this cells would attack and where.

Then that is a conspiracy. If they had this. Then everything could have been ended at the airports once they were about to board those planes.

Did the intelligences services who were tracking this people in the US led them Board the plane?. Or was surveillance not as tight as it should have been and it got lazy and they lost track?

I believe myself, they had plans drawn up of something that could happen. They did not have the terrorist plans. So what can you do. If you dont have knowledge to where and when.

 

[pixelsmith]

Look at the first interview. Bush did after the twin towers were attacked. You get it on CNN. It pretty obvious to me, if indeed somebody like cheney? led it happen. He was not included in the details.

is this the interview where he said he WATCHED THE FIRST PLANE HIT THE TOWER on the TV as he walked into the classroom to read to kids? the first plane to hit a tower was NOT televised live. he said he thought it must have been a terrible pilot. in a later interview he said the same thing. HOW was he able to view something that no one else saw until the next day? and WHY oh WHY would he sit there another 5 minutes after he was told "America is under attack Sir" and WHY didnt the Secret Service rush him out of there?

 

[Gojira2006]

and WHY oh WHY would he sit there another 5 minutes after he was told "America is under attack Sir" and WHY didnt the Secret Service rush him out of there?

Possible answers -

1). America wasn't really under attack . . .

Comment - Scary thought . . .

2). Bush wasn't really important or needed in crisis control . . .

Comment - Even scarier thought . . .

3). No one knew what they were doing - it was a veritable 3-Ring Circus . . .

Comment -

4). Add your own scenarios . . .

 

[Kieran]

is this the interview where he said he WATCHED THE FIRST PLANE HIT THE TOWER on the TV as he walked into the classroom to read to kids? the first plane to hit a tower was NOT televised live. he said he thought it must have been a terrible pilot. in a later interview he said the same thing. HOW was he able to view something that no one else saw until the next day? and WHY oh WHY would he sit there another 5 minutes after he was told "America is under attack Sir" and WHY didnt the Secret Service rush him out of there?

No the interview were he addressed the nation. He was still there in the classroom.The twin towers had not fallen yet and the pentagon attack had not taken place.

 

[Kieran]

Bush and everyone else saw a plane hit the second tower. Bush siad he saw the first plane. Interesting. Does it confirm a conspiracy.No. Bush mix's thinks up all the time. look at his presidency for god sake. When, has there been a president like him? have you heard some of his speeches? go back and listen and ask yourself those this man sound sane.

Bush was far away at the time. There was no idea at this time, how serious the situation was going to get. People on the news were confused themselves. They were not sure if it was a error by the pilots or an instrument problem or a intentional act. Look what Bush siad...he taught what a terrible pilot. Even at that stage, when the second plane hit different theories were being explored.

I do admit, it is interesting Pixel. But looking at Bush and his character. i would not be surprised if it was something. He got mixed up his head. The statement made by Bush. Is not logical. So i get your point of view Pixel.