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The second in this series seems to be even worse. There is a great disconnect that I can't figure out (other than the fact that the show was purposely made to get eyeballs watching the flickering commercials, .. uh show)

The disconnect goes like this: This is weird, how the hell??, .... it must have been alien influences!

We can't use our ignorance to justify reaching to the stars to make the story complete. Elongated heads are just that, elongated. Why?? I don't know, I didn't live thousands of years ago, .... and neither did Bill Birnes or that knucklehead Giorgio A. Tsoukalos. Oh, ... they have something to sell?? They have a reason to believe?? It just is apparent that this conclusion is unfounded.

I was interested in the Dogon part. They do seem to have knowledge that they shouldn't have, ... unless someone told them. But who?? Well I bet you can guess who if you ask Bill Birnes or Greer. But is that the most reasonable conclusion?? These people's stories are based on oral traditions, not written. If I had seen something written that spelled out the Sirius binary system, then that would certainly be more convincing. Oral traditions are much more susceptible to pick up modern changes and coordinate them into their stories immediately. Therefore, until I hear something more convincing I would have to reason that they acquired this knowledge from Westerners that visited them in the past decades. Does this make my guess true?? No. But it sure as hell has a lot more confidence in it than saying star people told them, IMO.

The problem with mythology is that we often have little context. This may seem counter intuitive but if a culture says they came from the stars doesn't mean it actually did. Or maybe it does, .... we ALL came from the stars originally!! But what I mean is this: Ancient people were linked to the stars because that was their nightime world. Half of their existence involved the night sky. For some people now, a total percentage of zero sums up their connection to the nightime sky. The ancients were different. It seems logical to me that they would see the nightsky as something greater than themselves, ... perhaps even their former home. I may be stretching here a bit because I don't really know, but the mysterious star-clad night would be a huge motivator for stories and maybe originators of their mythology.

I'm quite interested in learning about ancient cultures but we can only learn so much before taking guesses. It just seems that this show takes the guessing into more "want-to-believe" realms. I think some very interesting topics were brought up in this show but it's disappointing that more alternatives weren't further discussed. And I'm talking about the alternatives that don't involve the Annunaki or "I wanna be like a Grey".
 
The second in this series seems to be even worse. There is a great disconnect that I can't figure out (other than the fact that the show was purposely made to get eyeballs watching the flickering commercials, .. uh show)

The disconnect goes like this: This is weird, how the hell??, .... it must have been alien influences!

We can't use our ignorance to justify reaching to the stars to make the story complete. Elongated heads are just that, elongated. Why?? I don't know, I didn't live thousands of years ago, .... and neither did Bill Birnes or that knucklehead Giorgio A. Tsoukalos. Oh, ... they have something to sell?? They have a reason to believe?? It just is apparent that this conclusion is unfounded.

I was interested in the Dogon part. They do seem to have knowledge that they shouldn't have, ... unless someone told them. But who?? Well I bet you can guess who if you ask Bill Birnes or Greer. But is that the most reasonable conclusion?? These people's stories are based on oral traditions, not written. If I had seen something written that spelled out the Sirius binary system, then that would certainly be more convincing. Oral traditions are much more susceptible to pick up modern changes and coordinate them into their stories immediately. Therefore, until I hear something more convincing I would have to reason that they acquired this knowledge from Westerners that visited them in the past decades. Does this make my guess true?? No. But it sure as hell has a lot more confidence in it than saying star people told them, IMO.

The problem with mythology is that we often have little context. This may seem counter intuitive but if a culture says they came from the stars doesn't mean it actually did. Or maybe it does, .... we ALL came from the stars originally!! But what I mean is this: Ancient people were linked to the stars because that was their nightime world. Half of their existence involved the night sky. For some people now, a total percentage of zero sums up their connection to the nightime sky. The ancients were different. It seems logical to me that they would see the nightsky as something greater than themselves, ... perhaps even their former home. I may be stretching here a bit because I don't really know, but the mysterious star-clad night would be a huge motivator for stories and maybe originators of their mythology.

I'm quite interested in learning about ancient cultures but we can only learn so much before taking guesses. It just seems that this show takes the guessing into more "want-to-believe" realms. I think some very interesting topics were brought up in this show but it's disappointing that more alternatives weren't further discussed. And I'm talking about the alternatives that don't involve the Annunaki or "I wanna be like a Grey".

A come on, the first show was very good. The second show was disappointing. The second show was dominated by people who push the Aliens from another planet thing, while forgetting Aliens could be coming from other realities or places we can't even fathom if we tried. Giorgio he speculates but he also gives you answers to his own speculation i love it:D a proper salesman at work.
 
I have seen this show, and look forward to the rest of the series. What I like about the premise is that this series offers some evidence about an alternative history. What I don't like is that the majority of the researchers reach conclusions with a minimum of evidence.

There is a great deal of human history that has been eliminated for whatever reason; the Library of Alexandria, and the writings of the Maya. What those writings could have shared with us, we will never know.

I don't think either side has all the answers. Neither side even has all the information that would allow them to make conclusions. For them it's an either/or situation. Either the commonly accepted history or "ancient astronaut" theory.

I suspect that the truth lies somewhere between.
 
I take your point about stonehenge being a smaller structure, I'm sure it could have been much larger with the resources of the pyramid builders. Stonehenge is certainly pre-Celtic but it's builders descendants still remain in the area today according to DNA studies on the UK population, so you would assume that the use of Stonehenge would have continued as a sacred place in the same way that Churches are often sited on pagan sites. The DNA research suggests that it was Celtic Culture that invaded more than an invasion of ethnic Celts (whatever that means).
On the matter of stone carving I agree that Pumapunku ( actually only 1,000 years old) demonstrates an enormously sophisticated technology but It's still a leap to label it as the work of ET (as the program stated) even when it is hard to explain in other ways. I suppose equally valid theories could entail time travellers or extra-dimensional visitors or the descendants of Atlantis...We could do it today but with computer guided cutting machinery. Intriguing, isn't it.

The Celt Culture spread out all over the British isles, but there was no mass invasion by the Celt's as previously thought by historians. I theorised this many times before in previous posts on different threads.
Well i disagree with your dating of the stone carving, the Andean people occupied those lands around 500AD, but the structure at Tiahuanaco could be over 17,000 years old or more.

At Pumapunku, some of these stone block weigh over 440 tons and mainstream historians have claimed. The Andean people quarried these stones and moved them ten miles across rivers and land. That is such a joke; There is no known technology in the ancient world that could have lifted stones of such a massive weight and size. We can remain dumb to this fact or we can question it?

ET helping cultures with building work there is no evidence for that. But i be willing to bet a lot of human history is forgotten (perhaps being covered up for some reason) These structures should not exist if accepted history is true. It is as simple as that
 
I actually liked the second show more than the first. However, they have not convinced me of anything yet. But, to be honest I don't watch to be convinced. I watch cause it's interesting to speculate. Imagination and what if are a fun part of being human. I did think the long heads was explained quite well by tradition and the fact that many tribes praticed that all over the world. Looks painful and not very good for the ole brain but to each his own. I think the cave drawings are the most interesting "argument" since at that ancient time they "should" not have known anything at all about flying craft. I will watch the rest of the series and I hope it will be fun and provacative. There have been other discussions about the old paintings from Europe that "seem" to show craft. I don't want to open up another discussion when there is a good one that has already been opened up elsewhere on the boards. I guess you will always have the true believers who take everytihg as proof. Also, the true "believers" who are atheist who will take nothing short of a test tube as proof. :p But, I think most of us are somewhere between (I know I am)the two extremes.
 
ET helping cultures with building work there is no evidence for that. But i be willing to bet a lot of human history is forgotten (perhaps being covered up for some reason) These structures should not exist if accepted history is true. It is as simple as that

The last few days I have been considering this, and with it Mac Tonnies' crypto-terrestrial hypothesis. What follows is me thinking aloud, if you will.

What if these "crypto-terrestrials" are or were actually humans? Ones that found a way to time travel into the past, but for some reason were unable to travel back to their present.

The late Micheal Crichton touched upon this subject in a novel, though I forget the title. His time travelers only returned to the middle ages. Eventually all but one returned to their "present."

What if the very thing that brought humanity out of the wild was humanity itself? What if our ancient past was based upon our far reaching future? I don't think it's more of a stretch than the "ancient astronaut" "crypto-terrestrial" or the "alien" hypotheses.
 
The last few days I have been considering this, and with it Mac Tonnies' crypto-terrestrial hypothesis. What follows is me thinking aloud, if you will.

What if these "crypto-terrestrials" are or were actually humans? Ones that found a way to time travel into the past, but for some reason were unable to travel back to their present.

The late Micheal Crichton touched upon this subject in a novel, though I forget the title. His time travelers only returned to the middle ages. Eventually all but one returned to their "present."

What if the very thing that brought humanity out of the wild was humanity itself? What if our ancient past was based upon our far reaching future? I don't think it's more of a stretch than the "ancient astronaut" "crypto-terrestrial" or the "alien" hypotheses.

It's possible. I wouldn't rule it out especially since in lot of UFO cases an Alien looking being the "Grey" seemly is working with a human looking being, the "Nordic" Are they working in partnership? Is The Grey not a biological life form? It was build by Future Humans to carry out experiments on Humans. Whole lot of unanswered questions Xylo, But Time travelling makes lot of sense. All a future civilization would need to do is reach the speed of light and if it was possible go beyond it ( Speed of Dark if such a thing existed) Black Holes? worm holes?

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Xylo; i was thinking about that sighting in Oregan recently that Angela aired on her Show. It was claimed Portals were seen and UFO's were seen coming out of it. If that story is true and i personally think that story has lot going for it. Then that portal had to be opened close by to us and not further away; Bob siad he could see another place through the portal. That to me is either the earth in the future or that place was in a different reality to us but close by. A dimensional space?
 
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Xylo; i was thinking about that sighting in Oregan recently that Angela aired on her Show. It was claimed Portals were seen and UFO's were seen coming out of it. If that story is true and i personally think that story has lot going for it. Then that portal had to be opened close by to us and not further away; Bob siad he could see another place through the portal. That to me is either the earth in the future or that place was in a different reality to us but close by. A dimensional space?

Thanks for mentioning that Kieran.

I've been digesting all 3 episodes that Ms. Joiner devoted to that phenomenon. Certain parts didn't make any sense to me at all; specifically when "Bob" described seeing a long blonde haired male through his field glasses, but when lowering them not seeing anyone in that area. When describing a light through the woods that disappeared as if it was "a garage door closing" certainly sounds like it *could* be a portal.

I do not believe that we know enough about the nature of time to even begin to comprehend the existence of "portals" or alternate dimensional realities, and their points of intersection to ours.
 
Thanks for mentioning that Kieran.

I've been digesting all 3 episodes that Ms. Joiner devoted to that phenomenon. Certain parts didn't make any sense to me at all; specifically when "Bob" described seeing a long blonde haired male through his field glasses, but when lowering them not seeing anyone in that area. When describing a light through the woods that disappeared as if it was "a garage door closing" certainly sounds like it *could* be a portal.

Well it depends on his range of vision. Field glasses would extent his sight wouldn't they? He might be wearing prescribed glasses every day if all we know? Listening to a few hours of interview is fine, but we are not going to hear every detail we need to hear, to enable us to judge the merits of the case rightly.

Point taken Xylo. Bob said it was a "Portal" but that is not prove of anything. That is just someone's opinion, fine, grand.
But let us discuss the information that Bob gave to us for a moment.

Bob said there was a bright light and he often many times saw ships ( UFO'S) come through this light. Say for Arguments sake he is right and this is accurate account.

Let put some Science and Physics behind this. Say these ships were coming through this light, this light according to Bob appeared within a forest located within the United States.
If your going to open a path way from somewhere else ( say an Alien species from another galaxy was doing this) they would use a Black hole out in space to do this. If our understanding of impossible Science is accurate.

I seriously doubt an Alien species from another World, far away, light years away could open a "Window Area" from there home world to come here and Especially have the ability to open a Portal in the Middle of a Forest?

If the distances are that great. I would have an opinion; An Alien species would use a window area or wormhole out in space somewhere not on the Planet. The paranormal makes little sense at the best of times Xylo. Maybe I'm wrong, but to me, if Bob is right, these other beings are either in the future or today occupying spaces that we can't see.

1. Future time travellers occupy this planet in the future and we must not forget time travelling has plenty of logical problems and we must not forget this. But essentially it's not impossible.
2. Dimensional travellers don't occupy the same space as us ( We live in three dimensional world) there world if it exists is near us but in places that are in the four dimension or five dimension and so on.
 
1. Future time travellers occupy this planet in the future and we must not forget time travelling has plenty of logical problems and we must not forget this. But essentially it's not impossible.
2. Dimensional travellers don't occupy the same space as us ( We live in three dimensional world) there world if it exists is near us but in places that are in the four dimension or five dimension and so on.

In response to #1:

It depends upon the nature of time. Is time linear? Is it spherical? Is time like a ripple in a pond spreading in all direction? What are the dynamic properties of time?

Humans have 100 and more ways to describe time, but I don't think we have any to describe how we affect time.

#2. Agree with you Kieran. But to clarify, humans have created our own 4th dimension, as it relates to us: Time. I think it was Kaku that said mathematics allows for up to 8 dimensions in the universe. Hard to get one's mind around.
 
In response to #1:

It depends upon the nature of time. Is time linear? Is it spherical? Is time like a ripple in a pond spreading in all direction? What are the dynamic properties of time?

Humans have 100 and more ways to describe time, but I don't think we have any to describe how we affect time.

#2. Agree with you Kieran. But to clarify, humans have created our own 4th dimension, as it relates to us: Time. I think it was Kaku that said mathematics allows for up to 8 dimensions in the universe. Hard to get one's mind around.

Well understanding time is really difficult. If time travel is going to exist in the future ( Let us say; Future humans have come back from the future) does that mean the future has already happened everything has occurred already we just aren't aware of it /100 years from now that time is rolling away existing, a 1000 years, a million years there all occurring but at a different time. Most of or ancient past is well established and documented. So the past has happened already happened we know this. The only thing that makes sense to me, is the future is happening on some level now. Even that, A it so confusing even to think about my head:D

Yes your right. The four Dimension is were time comes into play and time travel.
 
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