New mummy hoax: look who is involved!

[Constance]

Quoted from the conclusion of the text @Han linked:

". . . OKM, one of the world leaders in the manufacture of geo-radars, well confirms to David Crespy the results of the electromagnetic resonances performed at Machu Picchu in April 2012 by the Inkari team. The findings are real. The company is so convinced that it will even use these discoveries on its website to promote the Rover C New Edition and the CaveFinder…

December 2013, the Chamber of Commerce and Development of Peru (DIRCETUR) awarded the Inkari Institute “El Inka Dorado Award” in recognition for the best scientific research project for the “Machu Picchu Project 2013“.

January 7, 2014. Mr. Gérard Borras, Director of the IFEA, replied to the letter of Thierry Jamin, dated November 27, 2013. Without repeating Thierry’s technique of observations, the Director’s response appears more polite and diplomatic. The case of Machu Picchu has become a political case. Peru is free to work with whomever it wants…

On January 10, 2014, Thierry Jamin presented an official letter to the Ministry of Culture in which his team abandoned the approaches in Appeal on decision of November 05, 2012. The letter is registered at the Ministry on January, 29, 2014, under reference N° 023078-2013.

On April 14, 2014, the Ministry of Culture, through its Resolución Directoral N° 177 – 2014 – DGPA – VMPCIC / MC, validated the abandonment of actions for annulment of the Resolución Directoral of November 5, 2012.

On July 14, 2014, the Inkari Institute – Cusco resubmitted again and officially a research project, led by Peruvian archaeologist Hilbert Bustincio Sumire, whose objective is the opening of underground cavities discovered in April 2012 and the study of archaeological material contained in the possible burial chambers. The project is registered under reference N° 029622 – 2014.

The project has expanded. The international organization Restorers Without Borders is ready to participate in excavations. And the American anthropologist Haagen Klaus Dietrich, from the George Mason University (Virginia, USA), joined the group as a specialist in the study of organic funerary material.

During the months of July and August 2014, the “Machu Picchu Project” of the Inkari team – Cusco went again in the different departments of the Ministry of Culture. In recent weeks, a technical Commission is again created in Cusco. So it is to the Regional Directorate of Culture of Cusco to issue or not the authorization and permit research to Thierry Jamin’s team. Obviously, the project must also be subject of a technical opinion by officials of the National Historical Sanctuary of Machu Picchu.

On September 04, 2014, the Regional Direction of Culture of Cusco addressed a letter to the Inkari Institute, under reference N° 1306 – 2014 – UACGD – DDC – CUS / MC. The letter was accompanied by a Resolución Directoral N° 634 – DDC – CUS / MC, dated September 02, 2014 by which the application for authorization of the Inkari Institute – Cusco, for opening underground cavities discovered in April 2012 was again rejected.

This time, the reason mentioned is this: the Inkari project is declared inadmissible because of the existence of a “project competitor” directed by archaeologist José Miguel Bastante Abuhadba and of course supported by the National Historical Sanctuary of Machu Picchu. Entitled “Programa de Investigaciones Arqueológicas e Interdisciplinarias en el Santuario Histórico de Machupicchu – PIAISHM“, it would have been approved for a period of three years and provides the conduct of research with excavations in fifteen sectors of Machu Picchu. One can easily imagine that among the sectors identified, there is – coincidentally! – the famous “Temple of the Three Doors“…

Conclusion…Temporary!
On September 29, 2014, Thierry Jamin delivered to the Regional Directorate of Culture – Cusco a request for obtaining legalized copies of the “technical reports“, memorandums of the famous project “competitor” and of the Resolución Directoral authorizing its execution. Some rumors, emanating directly from the Regional Directorate of Culture – Cusco argue, in fact, at the time of the evaluation of the Inkari Project, the one of archaeologist José Miguel bastante Abuhadba was not approved yet. contrary to the claims made in the “Resolución” of September 02, 2014. The Inkari Project, presented on July 14, would then have the anteriority. Officials from the Decentralized Directorate of the Ministry of Culture had seven working days to notify the Inkari Institute – Cusco the documents requested.

It was only on October 27, 2014 that Thierry Jamin and his group finally received a copy of the “technical reports“ requested. This is a real surprise!

A first report, N° 148 – 2014 – JMBA – RPIAISHM – PANM – DDC – CUS / MC, dated August 7, 2014 says “non-viable” for the Machu Picchu Project of the Inkari Institute – Cusco due to the existence of a project “competitor“, presented by the same officials of the Historical Sanctuary of Machu Picchu. Destined for Fernando Astete Victoria, this report was written by archaeologist José Miguel Bastante Abuhadba (COARPE N° 040281), who is precisely co-director of the famous project!

One would have the right to ask who is the bias and the duty of fairness of the local officials from the Ministry of Culture. How can we be judges and jury to assess the project presented by the Inkari Institute in an objective and professional manner?

In another “Technical Report” N° 350 – 2014 – PANM – DDC – CUS / MC dated August 11, 2014, archaeologist Piedad Champi Monterroso stated that “al respecto esta jefatura hace suyo el informe N° 148 – JMBA – RPIASHM – PANM – DDC – CUS / MC presentado por el lic. José Miguel Bastante Abuhadba, donde sustenta de manera tecnica y ojetiva los trabajos de investigación arqueológica e interdisciplinaria, previstas para ser ejecutadas en él ámbito del Santuario Histórico de Machupicchu, periodo 2014 – 2017” (“about this leadership endorsed report N° 148 – JMBA – RPIASHM – PANM – DDC – CUS / MC presented by lic. José Miguel Bastante Abuhadba and support on a objective and technical manner the archaeological work and interdisciplinary research, scheduled to be executed in the field of Machupicchu, 2014-2017 period“).

Naturally, the one and the other “forget” to mention that the famous “archaeological and interdisciplinary research” project was presented…by themselves! A new tribute to the professionalism of these archaeologists…

Based on these two “Technical Reports“, archaeologist Sabino Quispe Serrano, attaché to the Dirección de Coordinación de Calificación de Intervenciopnes Arqueológicas, drafted the Report N° 451 – 2014 – CCIA – AFPA – SDDPCDPC – DDC – CUS / MC dated August 13, 2014, in which he declared “Improcedente” (unfair) the archaeological research project presented by Thierry Jamin and the Inkari Institute – Cusco.

Et Voilà, dear Internet users and friends, how we bury a project!

Of course, Thierry Jamin and the Inkari Institute – Cusco could again appeal the decision of the Decentralized Directorate of the Ministry of Culture of Cusco by denying them the authorization and permit (license) to search based on criterias totally biased and contrary to the most basic professional ethics.

It seems clear that this incredible discovery made at Machu Picchu in April 2012 by the Inkari Institute has become a political issue. The current official in Peru will never allow Thierry Jamin and his companions to perform the opening of the burial chambers located underneath the famous “Temple of the Three Doors“.

We hope that, through these very factual explanations, Internet users around the world, Peruvians politicians and professionals of archaeological research will have an objective view of what really happened in this incredible “Machu Picchu Affair”.

The more than questionable behavior and total lack of professional ethics from the officials of the Regional Directorate of Culture – Cusco at the time, and the National Historical Sanctuary of Machu Picchu is not a credit for the Peruvian archaeological research.

We do hope that History will eventually restore the truth and do justice to Thierry Jamin, David Crespy, Hilbert Sumire and all the Inkari Team. Time will tell…"


We can recognize even in that brief recounting the struggles dividing the field of archaeology over many decades now -- struggles between those invested in a dominant paradigm and researchers challenging that paradigm, and also struggles for personal advantage in obtaining 'official' access to promising archaeological sites that might yield deeper knowledge about this planet's and our species' past. Some academics in other disciplines also behave selfishly and viciously in their personal competitions with their rivals for recognition, publications, reputation, grants, and personal aegis in their disciplines. But the pattern is most pronounced in archaeology, and great damage is done when the issues at stake are sensationalized and reduced in popular media reporting.

 

[Constance]

I was doing some more reading, I've found an article that needs be sent through translate (some more scientific analysis by real scientists), but as I am going to see the eclipse tomorrow, that can wait at least a few more days.
I may have overstated that Gaia TV and Maussan were no longer involved. Jamin may have just parted ways with Maussan and his circus, but again, I'll delve into this more later this week to see if I can't obtain clarification.

I doubt that Jamin ever worked with Maussan. Anyway, I hope you can obtain greater clarity through a translation program (though if it's Google Translate the translation could be unclear).

 

[Walter Bosley]

There is no point in pursuing the Nazca Mummy any further. It holds no secrets, other than what exactly was done and by whom to perpetrate a hoax. Except for True Believers far out on a limb, this case is closed.

 

[Han]

Did you read the whole text you linked? I think you're misrepresenting Jamin and the Inkari group and other archaeologists, in South America and in France, who support the Inkari project at Machu Picchu.

Re Jamin 'not having any degree', I'm fairly certain that I read earlier this summer that he has one or more master's degrees from French universities. Not having a doctorate [if that's still the case] does not mean he is not capable of doing significant research.

Also, if you read in the text you've linked the quoted statements of several Peruvian bureaucrats slandering Jamin, you should not be surprised if he returned the slander.

You do seem, Han, to become extremely exercised over the entire subject of deep archaeological research into earth's prehistory and in favor of keeping ancient monuments, caves, and burial grounds closed to academic exploration and scholarship. Not everyone who seeks to discover the nature of life and culture in our prehistory is a 'grave-robber'.

ps, many of the quoted statements that are key to understanding what's gone on in archaeological circles in Peru in recent years are cut off mid-sentence; all the more reason why we need to read closely and seek further details.

I did read the whole text, and can see Jamin is an extremely controversial figure.

He who controls the past, controls the future.
That is why I get so wound up whenever I see people not doing things by the book.
If you want the AETH to be taken seriously then you have to play by the rules.

Because it is so controversial and potentially unsettling/upsetting, the evidence will have to be more convincing and irrefutable than would normally be the case.
Buying and selling illegal artifacts or even trying to use them as evidence is wrong regardless of any ET involvement.

You will not get the academics to take you seriously if you behave in that way.

Also on that page I did not see any retraction of 'slander' except for that of Jamin, so in essence he accepted that all that was said was true in 2013:

"To appease the controversies Thierry Jamin decided in July 2013 to drop the charges for slander he launched a few months earlier against David Ugarte Vega Centeno, Fernando Astete Victoria and Piedad Champi Monterroso."


It might appear that I think that all monuments should only be for 'academics' but I don't think that at all. I have visited many different ones myself and have always enjoyed them respectfully.
But some things are so precious they are best displayed behind glass for their own protection.
The preservation and display of artifacts is an art in itself, and can mean the difference between an object surviving into the future or not.

Also why would the Peruvian authorities have a problem with him? I am sure that AA tourists contribute a lot to the economy because of their desire to see elongated skulls etc.
Maybe I am being over cynical but I tend to think: there is no smoke without fire. I could be wrong he and he is totally legit, honest and telling the truth, and that it is the 'Authorities' who are persecuting him and suppressing evidence, but given that I understand the mummies were illegally taken, I doubt it, I am afraid.

 

[Red]

I was unable to find an English translation of this one, but one of the scientists involved here is the guy who debunked the earlier presented hand. And as far as google translations go, this is not completely horrible.
Google Translate

 

[Constance]

There is no point in pursuing the Nazca Mummy any further. It holds no secrets, other than what exactly was done and by whom to perpetrate a hoax. Except for True Believers far out on a limb, this case is closed.

But those are precisely the 'secrets' and questions that remain to be answered -- the questions concerning a) when the apparent anatomical alterations were made to once-living/now-mummified human and animal remains being investigated in Peru and elsewhere, and b) how these alterations were made.

It's possible that the anatomical anomalies revealed in the x-rays show results of attempts at cross-breeding of different species, possibly by genetic manipulation, at some point in the remote human past and carried out by ancient terrestrial homo sapiens. The ET question does not have to come into it at all.

Actual proof that the apparent anomalies visible in the photographs and x-rays represent contemporary attempts to produce hoaxed artifacts will/would require medical dissections and materials analyses by a variety of scientific specialists. Will that level of current scientific knowledge be applied to these Peruvian artifacts? And if so, by whom?

 

[Walter Bosley]

But those are precisely the 'secrets' and questions that remain to be answered -- the questions concerning a) when the apparent anatomical alterations were made to once-living/now-mummified human and animal remains being investigated in Peru and elsewhere, and b) how these alterations were made.

It's possible that the anatomical anomalies revealed in the x-rays show results of attempts at cross-breeding of different species, possibly by genetic manipulation, at some point in the remote human past and carried out by ancient terrestrial homo sapiens. The ET question does not have to come into it at all.

Actual proof that the apparent anomalies visible in the photographs and x-rays represent contemporary attempts to produce hoaxed artifacts will/would require medical dissections and materials analyses by a variety of scientific specialists. Will that level of current scientific knowledge be applied to these Peruvian artifacts? And if so, by whom?

No, they do not show attempts at cross-breeding. Please stop deluding yourself. The alterations were done to the very long dead mummy. There are no words to parse, there is no hair to split, this thing is not what you desperately wish it to be. Let it go. You have crossed the line into blind faith now. I don't know whether to take you seriously or assume you're being funny.

 

[Constance]

Walter, I don't "desperately wish" the Peru artifacts to be demonstrated to be either evidence suggesting ancient cross-breeding attempts by terrestrial humans or evidence suggesting alien visitation in the distant past and their attempts to genetically manipulate early humans and other biological species. We -- and that includes you -- can't be certain that no such biological experimentation ever took place in earth's distant past, can we? But if it did, it is certainly a subject that many contemporary humans would like to be explored.

You might try to calm down and make a case for whatever it is that you think possible or impossible in our planet's past without personally attacking others who express viewpoints differing from your own.

 

[Walter Bosley]

Walter, I don't "desperately wish" the Peru artifacts to be demonstrated to be either evidence suggesting ancient cross-breeding attempts by terrestrial humans or evidence suggesting alien visitation in the distant past and their attempts to genetically manipulate early humans and other biological species. We -- and that includes you -- can't be certain that no such biological experimentation ever took place in earth's distant past, can we? But if it did, it is certainly a subject that many contemporary humans would like to be explored.

You might try to calm down and make a case for whatever it is that you think possible or impossible in our planet's past without personally attacking others who express viewpoints differing from your own.

LMFAO, here we go..."Calm down" lol. My response WAS calm, so your spin fails.

 

[Walter Bosley]

Walter, I don't "desperately wish" the Peru artifacts to be demonstrated to be either evidence suggesting ancient cross-breeding attempts by terrestrial humans or evidence suggesting alien visitation in the distant past and their attempts to genetically manipulate early humans and other biological species. We -- and that includes you -- can't be certain that no such biological experimentation ever took place in earth's distant past, can we? But if it did, it is certainly a subject that many contemporary humans would like to be explored.

You might try to calm down and make a case for whatever it is that you think possible or impossible in our planet's past without personally attacking others who express viewpoints differing from your own.

You can't use a belief in the Easter Bunny to argue for the existence of Santa Claus and expect people to not say something. We have given the science a chance. The Nazca Mummy is not what you wish it to be. It's fair game for ridiculing any further insistence that it is, even in the guise of 'Well, golly, somewhere out there is a real one' philosophy. The reason many of us ridicule this stuff is because it wastes time, distracts from further research into more promising matters. I do not give a pass to hoaxers just because it 'inspires discussion'.

And one does not need to be 'triggered' to point these things out, Sweety

 

[Constance]

He who seeks to offend is often an asshole.

 

[Walter Bosley]

He who seeks to offend is often an asshole.

Look who's triggered!

Get it right, Darlin'. It means if one is worried about offending, not 'seeking to offend'. Once again, you spin (and get it wrong). I suppose you think it is your prerogative. Have some chamomile tea. Relax.

 

[Constance]

How about I put you on 'ignore' to avoid further confrontation? Bye now.

 

[Bob Watson]

No matter what the evidence is clear the mummy is that of an altered human most likely dug up by grave robbers.

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[Walter Bosley]

How about I put you on 'ignore' to avoid further confrontation? Bye now.

No loss. And the confrontation belongs just as much to you as it does to me.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Mummy hoax complete bullshit and just snail oil scam.

 

[Han]

Dear Walter and Constance:

there is nothing worse than seeing people argue over what the other thinks, the other thinks, the other thinks.

Nobody likes to be told what they believe or think.

A lot of the animosity could be avoided by the way we phrase our posts on the forum.

I make no bones 'badoom tisch" about the fact that I think the whole Nazca Mummy thing is "CRIMINAL" in the literal sense of the word. Can we talk about that please?

I just watched this documentary about it:

It is in English and they 'examine' the 'artifacts' it also features mr jamin and mr maussan.

I would be very interested to hear what people thought about it before I spoil it, so I will leave some time for people to watch it before I make comment on it.

 

[Red]

Dear Walter and Constance:
there is nothing worse than seeing people argue over what the other thinks, the other thinks, the other thinks.
Nobody likes to be told what they believe or think.
A lot of the animosity could be avoided by the way we phrase our posts on the forum.
I make no bones 'badoom tisch" about the fact that I think the whole Nazca Mummy thing is "CRIMINAL" in the literal sense of the word. Can we talk about that please?
I just watched this documentary about it:
It is in English and they 'examine' the 'artifacts' it also features mr jamin and mr maussan.
I would be very interested to hear what people thought about it before I spoil it, so I will leave some time for people to watch it before I make comment on it.

@Han, I skimmed through the video. I'll try to give a more thorough viewing later. Earlier in this thread I posted the .pdf I found of the dating and DNA results through a French-language website. The DNA report itself is dated May of this year which raises another troubling question. It's seems likely that Gaia, et al, knew of the likely human origins of the mummies and proceeded anyway. I noted that the guy in the video you posted towards the end indicated that this information is still unavailable. Since this video was probably shot and edited within the last two months, I'm a bit concerned by the apparent holding back of what testing they do have. It looks to me that they are suppressing evidence that doesn't support their alien hypothesis.

 

[Bob Watson]

I noticed snorry and Dolan distanced themselves from this quickly. To their credit.

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[Walter Bosley]

Dear Walter and Constance:

there is nothing worse than seeing people argue over what the other thinks, the other thinks, the other thinks.

Nobody likes to be told what they believe or think.

A lot of the animosity could be avoided by the way we phrase our posts on the forum.

I make no bones 'badoom tisch" about the fact that I think the whole Nazca Mummy thing is "CRIMINAL" in the literal sense of the word. Can we talk about that please?

I just watched this documentary about it:

It is in English and they 'examine' the 'artifacts' it also features mr jamin and mr maussan.

I would be very interested to hear what people thought about it before I spoil it, so I will leave some time for people to watch it before I make comment on it.

Han, just...you know. Start telling all others how to be in the forum or don't tell anyone at all.