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No 2012 Cataclysm but Bolon Yokte Is Coming....

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I just caught with eye something about prayer. That one doesn't work from moment system was given to humans, so don't blame it on God (God is on leave until He/ She officially returns in 2012 g.) address to one who is humans representative - you don't even don't know who is that, right? God and Guardians are focused to go to spots necessary, not needy. No enough angels for everybody, you'll need to take care of demons yourselves, guys. I explained it all above and if you bothered to read it, you will not need to make an effort to find all these articles to cut me, bitter one. Or just evil, I won't bother which one is it. Why should I care, after all? I'm sick and tired of fighting for ones who irrationally spit on not just me but everything around. Specially weak ones.

Yeah, there is always an excuse isnt there.
Study after study has shown prayer has no effect, and there is always an excuse as to why.

What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

  • Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.
This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers.
If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

  • Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.
In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:

  • For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.
In Matthew 21:21:

  • I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."
The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:

  • Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
If God says, "believe that you have received it, and it will be yours," and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.
In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:

    • "I tell you the truth,
anyone

    • who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for
anything

    • in my name, and
I will do it

  • ."
Look at how direct this statement is: "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." This is the "Son of God" speaking. Have we taken him "too literally?" No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement "out of context?" No - Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus' statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.
We see the same thing over and over again...
In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:

  • Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:

  • And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
In Mark 9:23:

  • All things are possible to him who believes.
In Luke 1:37:

  • For with God nothing will be impossible.
Nothing could be simpler or clearer than Jesus' promises about prayer in the Bible. Yet, when we pray to eliminate cancer, nothing happens.
And keep in mind that this is Jesus talking here. These are not the words of human beings. These are not the words of "inspired" human beings. These are supposedly the words of God himself, incarnated in a human body. Jesus is supposed to be a perfect sinless being. And yet, it is obvious that Jesus is lying. What Jesus says is clearly incorrect.

If we perform scientific, double-blind tests on prayer, and if the prayers involve something concrete and measurable (for example, healing people with cancer), we know that there is zero effect from prayer. Every single "answered prayer" is nothing more than a coincidence. Both scientific experiments and your everyday observations of the world show this to be the case every single time.

You can find many believers who will say, "The reason why scientific experiments fail to detect God is because God must remain hidden. He does not answer prayers if he knows that he will be detected."
In order to see the truth, you need to accept that this explanation is silly. If God must remain hidden, then he cannot answer any prayers. Any "answered prayer" would expose God.
The whole notion that "God" must remain "hidden" is a total cross-threading of religious doctrine. On the one hand, believers will say that "God wrote the Bible, God incarnated himself and died on the cross for us, and God answers millions of prayers on earth every day." Then in the next breath they will say, "God must remain hidden." God obviously cannot "remain hidden" and "incarnate himself." These two items are mutually exclusive. Therefore, the explanation that "God must remain hidden" is impossible. As soon as you accept how impossible it is, you can begin to see see that God is imaginary.
In order to see the truth, you need to accept the fact that the scientific evidence is accurate and irrefutable. We have scientifically proven that God does not answer any prayers on earth. Every single "answered prayer" is nothing more than a coincidence.

Many believers try to rationalize God's existence by saying something like this: "The existence of the universe proves God's existence. Something had to create the universe. Science has no explanation for the universe's creation. Therefore, God created it."
The way to understand that this is a rationalization is to look back in history. Ancient people, before they had science, explained many things that they did not understand with "gods." There have been sun gods, thunder gods, fertility gods, rain gods, etc.
The Bible works the same way. It tries to explain many things that its ancient authors did not understand by attributing them in God. For example, if you read Genesis 9:12-13 you will find this:

  • And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations: I set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and the earth..."
This is the Bible's explanation of rainbows. Of course we now know that rainbows are a prismatic effect of raindrops. In the same way, Genesis chapter 3 tries to explain why human childbirth is so painful and Genesis chapter 11 tries to explain why there are so many human languages. These are myths, nothing more.
In the same way, Genesis chapter 1 contains the Bible's creation myth. The creation of the universe and life is attributed to God. We already know that God had nothing to do with the creation of life but religious people still try to attribute the creation of the universe to God.
The fact is, God had nothing to do with the creation of the universe, in the same way that God has nothing to do with the sun rising or rainbows appearing. Science does not have a complete explanation for the universe's creation, yet. While it is true that science does not yet know everything there is to know about the universe, scientists will eventually figure it out. When they do, what they will find is that nature created the universe, not an imaginary being.
http://godisimaginary.com/i1.htm
 
The short version is the bible which you cite as proof of gods existance specifically promises

In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:

  • And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
Yet scientific study after study has shown this does not happen.

So in order to get around the logical and obvious conclusion, you offer the excuse, god is busy, not enough angels etc etc.

In psychiatry we call that "denial"

An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.

in psychiatry, a defense mechanism in which the existence of unpleasant internal or external realities is kept out of conscious awareness.
Psychiatry A primitive–ego defense–mechanism by which a person unconsciously negates the existence of a disease or other stress-producing reality in his environment, by disavowing thoughts, feelings, wishes, needs, or external reality factors that are consciously intolerable. See In denial

You are a classic case Ela, Insisting on the truth of a "reality" that has no logical or evidentiary basis, and when confronted with evidence that runs counter to your fantasy, employs the classic ego defense of denial.

You are so predictable that i can posulate your reaction to my bible quotes and the contradictory scientific experiments as "oh well the devil can quote scipture"

Classic response
 
I don't have time to read all from this above piled up today, just about scientific proof. You don't need to teach me scientific method nor what scientific means, Stoneheart. I'm psychologist.

Well you are not a psychologist I would ever wish to go to.

You know all about the scientific method? Well why don't you use it? and above all the fact that you clearly chose not to then demand that we believe the bat shit posted here with no proof what so ever is simply astounding.

Goodbye Ela I have far better things to do with my time, so good luck out there.
 
Well you are not a psychologist I would ever wish to go to.

You know all about the scientific method? Well why don't you use it? and above all the fact that you clearly chose not to then demand that we believe the bat shit posted here with no proof what so ever is simply astounding.

Goodbye Ela I have far better things to do with my time, so good luck out there.

Took the words out of my mouth, bat shit insane...............
 
Well I told same long time ago for my time, I value it much better. But since you are so ... harsh, I defend myself. Your intention is obviously to intimidate and to insult. I have right to be angry at cruelty, that's normal response. And I know my job. you work on yourself.

Right last message to clear a few things up.

I never intimidate or insult I simply call things as they are.

Here at the Paracast Forums the vast majority of us work to place the study of the paranormal on an academic footing.
As such we will take you to task for saying things such as "I have proof", if you make that statement then back it up. This is no different than any other academic area as far as I am concerned and since you state you are a Psychologist then you should know how an academic forum works.

Anyway this thread is dead as far as I am concerned so peace and good night.
 
You know, I have found that if we talk about ideas rather than the individuals talking about them, things are just nicer.

The very idea that something constrained within a subset can comprehend something existing outside of it (in this case a "god" entity of some sort) doesn't hold water. You can't describe the remaining twenty-one characters by using only the first five in the alphabet, neither can human beings living within a constrained time/space continuum have a ghost of a chance arriving at any viable theory of what exists outside that resource restricted subset. To have any knowledge of that superset something from there would have to communicate to the subset using only information available within the subset, making all alleged revelatory information about the superset pointless and arbitrary. This is my main heartburn with gods and goddesses and any alleged knowledge of them supposedly discovered or revealed to human beings.
 
You guys have very abstract level of your inner communication and I'm coming from different culture, different mind set and I need time to tune in. So of course some mistakes can happen. I did't understood you. I think with „they“ you relate to gods, not humans. And I for sure don't know what BP means. And you might find this strange, but there is Gods coming next yr. And I'm one of them. In text up is partialy described how name Bolon Yokte Ku'h is fitting my figure via True Da Vinci Code (how will you prove they come back anyway?). I'll give more below, I started to chat with Trainedobserver, you check that one if you want to. So that makes me right person on right page, right? If I can prove my identity, of course. I had plenty troubles here and therefore not able to react in better manner, I appologize. And what happens in world makes me very angry (to put it mildly). And let me one remark on your behaviour – you became quite pissed person, Junior (there are Teachers (three levels), Seniors, Juniors and Freshmen Guardians.). You wanted to spank me out of this conversation – did someone did same one to you? Show me who they are and I can spank them, I have quite powerful electromagnetic field that I'm about to describe in note to Trainedobserver. I think it is quite interesting stuff to read, you know.

Sorry Ela but you still don't get it. Its not about culture. BP is British Petroleum and in case you didn't hear, they had a huge oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico this past year that changed the lives of many. You a "god"? Interesting. Me a "junior"? "spank" someone out of a conversation? Sorry but you make no sense.
 
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