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[Angel of Ioren]

Ezechiel, Pixel will reply with:

"NASA? LMAO!!!!! They're bought by the NWO."


Then he'll provide you with a link to Watt's Up or some other link sponsered by the Heartland Institute.

 

[pixelsmith]

look at a view of tsunami damage, or volcano damage, or wildfire damage, or earthquake damage, or hurricane damage, or astroid damage, etc etc... we could only dream of doing the kind of damage that mother nature herself inflicts on herself on a regular basis. Mother Natures "footprint" far exceeds ours yet you do not seem to care about that because you have been brainwashed/controlled/manipulated into thinking humans are evil and could even destroy the earth.. ROFL.
yes we have a "footprint", so does a herd of elephants or swarm of locusts, big deal. yes we should be mindful of negative impacts on our environment, yes we should explore alternate fuel sources, but we will NEVER "manage" our ecosystem.

 

[pixelsmith]

Ezechiel, Pixel will reply with:

"NASA? LMAO!!!!! They're bought by the NWO."


Then he'll provide you with a link to Watt's Up or some other link sponsered by the Heartland Institute.

Don't listen to Angelo, his idea of climate science is listening to a canadian blogger and a railroad engineer who think CO2 is bad for us.

 

[pixelsmith]

Because we have "conquered nature" I predict God will eat the Sun this Sunday. I am going to try and appease God starting now by sacrificing little baby lambs in hopes that God will puke back up our glowing ball of light and warmth as fast as He eats it.

 

[Goggs Mackay]

Child abuse pure and simple, delusional yes. Harmless delusion ? no way

There is NOTHING funny about this, its outrageous.

Children are biologically predisposed to try and "fit in" to the social structure they inhabit, what you see above is the exploitation of that mechanism.

Mike, I agree. No child would spontaneously act like that without instruction. I think no child should be told which, if any, religion is 'true'. It should be like sex, pornography and alcohol - something left for adults to decide.
There is only one word for it and it was tried with me without success: indoctrination.

 

[Goggs Mackay]

Simple question: who thinks those girls in the above video are 'speaking in tongues' and who thinks they are doing what they think is expected of them?

I think it is fine to believe in God, to have faith and to act in a way that helps rather than hinders others. It is fine to want other people to share in those things I just mentioned.

None of that though, has anything to do with any holy book authored by men and it certainly has nothing to do with encouraging kids to think they are speaking in tongues.

Am I the only one who sees the red flag with the correlation between kids who attend churches where people speak in tongues and kids who do not? Is it not strange that kids seem only to speak in tongues when it is expected of them? Mmmmm....

 

[mike]

Mike, I agree. No child would spontaneously act like that without instruction. I think no child should be told which, if any, religion is 'true'. It should be like sex, pornography and alcohol - something left for adults to decide.
There is only one word for it and it was tried with me without success: indoctrination.

Exactly, its like taking a kid into a pub and making them drink vodka with beer chasers.
Both (religion and alcohol) are pure poison to a young mind and body

2000-APR: USA: Book published about computer possession: Reverend Jim Peasboro of Savannah GA has written a book "The Devil in the Machine: Is your computer possessed by a demon?" Some of the points raised in the book by the author are:
"While the Computer Age has ushered in many advances, it has also opened yet another door through which Lucifer and his minions can enter and corrupt men's souls."
Demons can possess anything with a brain, including a chicken, a human being, or a computer.
"Any PC built after 1985 has the storage capacity to house an evil spirit."
"...most of the youths involved in school shootings like the tragedy at Columbine were computer buffs...I have no doubt that computer demons exerted an influence on them."
an estimated "...one in 10 computers in America now houses some type of evil spirit."
"Technicians can replace the hard drive and reinstall the software, getting rid of the wicked spirit permanently."
Rev. Peasboro said: "I learned that many members of my congregation became in touch with a dark force whenever they used their computers. Decent, happily married family men were drawn irresistibly to pornographic websites and forced to witness unspeakable abominations. Housewives who had never expressed an impure thought were entering Internet chat rooms and found themselves spewing foul, debasing language they would never use normally...One woman wept as she confessed to me, 'I feel when I'm on the computer as if someone else or something else just takes over.'"
The author had the opportunity to inspect an infected computer. He found that an artificial-intelligence program started up automatically. He said that: "The program began talking directly to me, openly mocked me. It typed out, 'Preacher, you are a weakling and your God is a damn liar.' Then the device went haywire and started printing out what looked like gobbledygook...I later had an expert in dead languages examine the text. It turned out to be a stream of obscenities written in a 2,800-year-old Mesopotamian dialect!"

IIRC one of the shooters in the columbine shootings was mentally ill, prior to the shooting rather than seek medical help his mother tried to have him exorcised.

What a discraceful cycle , first the kids are brainwashed into the sort of behaviour we see in the video's. Then later when some develop mental illness as a result of this abuse, they are exorcised as a cure...........
A self perpetuating cycle of retardation insanity

According to the News.telegraph:
Kisanga was a regular at a church called Combat Spirituel, based in Dalston, East London. Police found notes which suggested that she had been to a prayer meeting about the little girl's possession. A diary entry found at her home read: 'On retreat there was indeed a prophecy that [the girl] has got ndoki'."

Children affected by what is known as "ndoki" were usually treated as suffering from an "external" affliction that could be dealt with by a curative medicine, without violence. However, the beliefs of some fundamentalist Christian sects in "internal" possession and the need to exorcise evil forces had mixed with traditional beliefs to create incidents in which children were beaten to be cured. "The exorcisms are usually confrontational, much more aggressive," Mr Hoskins said.
One BBC article showed a drawing of the girl with 43 scars on her body where she was cut.
There are allegations that the three adults hoped that an exorcism would drive out the demons and end the danger that the girl represented to the adults. An exorcism required the use of extreme physical pain in order to force the demons to leave AB. The girl testified that the adults slapped, punched and kicked her repeatedly. One pushed a kitchen knife into her chest until it drew blood. She told police, "It's because my auntie says I have witchcraft. She dances and laughs when she hits me." AB was beaten with belt buckles and a high-heeled shoe. She was only fed tea and bread. The adults seemed particularly concerned that the girl would practice her evil powers at nighttime. So they woke her up twice and rubbed chili-peppers into her eyes. They forced her into a large plastic bag, allegedly to "throw her away for good" by drowning her in a nearby river. But they changed their mind at the last moment.
She was discovered on a cold November morning, covered in cuts and bruises, with swollen eyes, on the steps to her block of apartments. According to the person who found her, she seemed "freezing cold and terrified

She dances and laughs when she hits me

Just as we saw the adults dancing and laughing as they watched those kids "perform" in order to conform.

And one has to wonder what would happen if the child simply said "No, this is silly........"

The "glory" mood would change real quick methinks and become very very sinister.

Those poor kids have to play the game or risk being labeled evil and dealt with as such

The holy spirit didnt take these poor kids, their survival mechanism and a childs natural inbuilt need to "fit in" did

 

[Goggs Mackay]

Good examples Mike. Also, if we listen to Rev Fucknuts above talking about the evil getting to people through their computers built after 1985 because they have the storage capacity to blah blah blah.
So is there not just the exact same capacity for evil in a library? Or any publication/pamphlet etc?
The really worrying thing Mike, is that these Rev Probablyfiddleskids types are actually considered people that a community should be listening too!

I remember in the 80's when all these American churches were burning heavy metal albums! They actually said these bands were satanic. All they did was increase the sales, thereby spreading the devils work!
I've met all the members of Iron Maiden - a fave band of mine and I can tell you they are as satanic as toilet roll. They were utterly bemused by the accusations of the bible-bashers. They are family men who are actually revered world-wide for being really down to earth and to this day really caring about their fans. The kind of rock stars that never get above themselves and always have time for a chat and some autographs. It was through the demonisation of music I liked that i was first exposed to the more crazy element of religion. Thank God I never was swept up in that rubbish.

The idiocy knows no bounds.

 

[mike]

This will be my final post on religion, "yeah right" Well, maybe.
To the Mikes and the Bill Marhs and others of the world. Go to an Islamic nation. Hell, I'll even change that. Go to an Islamic website. Post your name and where you live. Then pull up vulgar pictures of Mohammed and others Islamic Icons. Tell them they are full of shit. Call Mohammed a Pedophile and list the number of atrosicites comminted in the name of Mohammed. I will then salute you and call you brave. I will also say a little prayer for you as they lay you (or what's left of you) to rest. I will then say you were a brave soldier in the battle for truth. Now? Not so much.

Oh and while I'm saying this let me give props to Richard Dawkins. He has indeed spoken up about this. He caught some hypocritical flack from his own camp for it but I gotta give credit where credit is due.

Actually thats more or less whats happening here.
Now i'm not pointing the finger directly at you, there there are others who have clearly stated they dont believe in UFO's and the paranormal.

So what are they doing here ?

These people already have their answers in their little black book, they dont believe the topics being discussed here have any substance whatsoever.

Its all a load of codswallop as far as they are concerned, but to come here and keep insisting that, is no different to me signing up to a religious forum and trolling the members there in the same way.

For a religious person to constantly impose their "i know better and you are all wrong" sentiments over and over again in a forum set up to discuss the paranormal and UFO's is no different to me or others signing up to religious forums as you suggest and mocking them there.

If thats how you feel about UFO's etc then as TO has said, there are other forums that will cheer on such sentiments, but to keep ramming them down the necks of those here, is trolling pure and simple.

Were not going to their forums and insisting ad nauseum their beliefs are codswallop, but some of them are here doing just that to us............................

 

[pixelsmith]

I was born into a normal lutheran/norwegian family where most of the women taught sunday school or led bible studies. I left the cult during the "jesus christ superstar" craziness. My faith led me to REALLY read the bible from cover to cover. I bet a 100 bucks that 99.9% of those that have god in their hearts have NEVER read the bible from cover to cover. They say they have, but they have not. They may have quoted it a quadzillion times but NEVER read it cover to cover. I did and was shocked. After ALL those years of sunday school and on thru confirmation, I was never told to read the whole bible. We only read passages. SELECT passages. The god in the bible is not good at all.

 

[Goggs Mackay]

The same thing is true of some skeptics too. If every UFO can be explained, there is no such thing as the paranormal, why come here and listen to the show?

Of course I refer to the 'debunking skeptic' rather than the 'don't believe in any old codswallop' type skeptic.

 

[mike]

I was born into a normal lutheran/norwegian family where most of the women taught sunday school or led bible studies. I left the cult during the "jesus christ superstar" craziness. My faith led me to REALLY read the bible from cover to cover. I bet a 100 bucks that 99.9% of those that have god in their hearts have NEVER read the bible from cover to cover. They say they have, but they have not. They may have quoted it a quadzillion times but NEVER read it cover to cover. I did and was shocked. After ALL those years of sunday school and on thru confirmation, I was never told to read the whole bible. We only read passages. SELECT passages. The god in the bible is not good at all.

You are in good company

Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived. Isaac Asimov

A Christian reads the bible. An atheist understands it. Ben J. Eriksen

The bible is not my book nor Christianity my religion, I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma. Abraham Lincoln

Thus I came... to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true... Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience... an attitude which has never left me. Albert Einstein

…the Bible is such a book of lies and contradictions there is no knowing which part to believe or whether any. Thomas Paine

The inspiration of the bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it. Robert G. Ingersoll

It ain’t those parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand.
Mark Twain

 

[mike]

The same thing is true of some skeptics too. If every UFO can be explained, there is no such thing as the paranormal, why come here and listen to the show?

Of course I refer to the 'debunking skeptic' rather than the 'don't believe in any old codswallop' type skeptic.

I dont have a problem with skeptics per se, they debate the data and thats useful.

Its when someone states as fact we are all alone in the universe because they believe in an invisable sky man, and since his book says he created us in his image, and makes no mention of anyone else, thats proof we are all alone........

When religion becomes the "proof" UFO's are not real, when an imaginary deity becomes grounds to state as fact we are all alone in the universe.

Open minded debate and discussion is lost, intelligent rationed discussion is extinguised with ignorance and superstition.

Whats the point ? why bother to discuss the genre, or run a podcast on the subject.

Thats the modi operandi of these people, silence the questions and fill that silence with their answers.

Because at the core of this matter, questions about the universe might yeild answers that negate their superstitions. Just ask Galileo...........................

 

[Goggs Mackay]

And what about those who now assert that UFOs are demonic? The religious have covered their bases so that if UFOs are proved to exist, their existence will not contradict the religion. What can be more biblical than demons in their monstrous chariots!

 

[mike]

And what about those who now assert that UFOs are demonic? The religious have covered their bases so that if UFOs are proved to exist, their existence will not contradict the religion. What can be more biblical than demons in their monstrous chariots!

Exactly, Imagine if we discovered a goldilocks planet and went there, only to find the natives labelled us as evil spirits.......

How could we possibly make contact ?

Vistors from elsewhere, guests to our planet could land tomorrow...... and there would be an element of society that would want to burn them at the stake as per their outdated superstitions.

What a farce.........

Its another valid reason for Homo Superior to do its best to put this nonsense in its place, our shameful past..................

These types have mastered the art of forcing a square peg into a round hole, An ET reality would be no different.
Demons would be the answer

So brainwashed, their priests can piss on their legs, and They will smile and say its raining

Ignorance can indeed be bliss.

 

[Kim323]

Mike said, "Its (sic) when someone states as fact we are all alone in the universe because they (sic) believe in an invisable (sic) sky man.............."

But that's not true I say, and since this thread has brought up UFOs I will address them, and that's what I will limit myself to. I've discussed my views on UFOs and intelligent extraterrestrials on other threads in detail. They are two different things. There is evidence for the first, explainable. There is no evidence whatsoever for the second, in fact the purported evidence points to anthropomorphic and anthropocentric projection.

Mike said, "When religion becomes the "proof" UFO's are not real, when an imaginary deity becomes grounds to state as fact we are all alone in the universe."

I have never stated that at all as the reason for my views on UFOs and intelligent extraterrestrials.

1. UFOs are not real.

UFO is an acronym for what people see in the skies. And I've discussed Carl Jung's views on UFOs, radar evidence, lights, Leslie Kean's book, and many other aspects of the acronym. And yes, I believe UFOs are not real, they are epiphenomena of radar detectors, the misidentifications of many of the millions of lights in our modern skies due to this era of ever more advanced flight, misidentifications of astronomical features, of weather phenomena, etc.

I've written in detail about this.

2. Intelligent extraterrestrials may exist, but there is no evidence whatsoever that they do. I've stated before and elsewhere, and recommended books on the subject, that many top rate scientists believe that the probability is that we are alone in the universe. You'd need to find my other posts to see what I've said and recommended.

Furthermore, there is no evidence that extraterrestrials have visited our planet.

The evidence put forth for it is: contacts, alien abduction, alien visitation, landing of craft, conversations with aliens telepathic and verbal, hybridization fancies, Travis Walton and Betty and Barney Hill and others who say they've had personal encounters with aliens and/or their craft, and I could go on and on.

Not only is there no evidence that any of these are true, there is very good reason to think that people who say they've been contacted, seen aliens, been abducted, etc., are experiencing sleep paralysis, are hoaxing, and other reasons. I have covered this also elsewhere.

I just believe in evidence, and that we should stay earthbound with that evidence.

The case, again, for anthropocentric views of aliens, is very, very strong, as I stated above. Additionally, the craft themselves, as frequently described, have antennae, flashing lights, windows, etc., all the hallmarks of our automobiles, trains, aircraft, etc., thus showing our projection of ourselves even onto their craft. And the aliens themselves are humanoid when described.

This is why I think as I do. I believe in evidence, and I have provided evidence for any claims I have made. When I have expressed belief in certain aspects of religion it's been clear that I admit by the very nature of those specific aspects there is no empirical evidence, there cannot be. Or, in the case of other, demonstrably historical, here on the earth aspects of religion, I have provided compelling evidence from history and research that points toward their reality as regards their presence on the earth. That is clear from my statements and from identifying my status as a teacher of history, and I have stuck to history. Late in the discussion I expressed a certain overarching belief, in God, and directly stated there is no empirical evidence for that, and have left the subject. Even for that belief, theologians and philosophers, and even astrophysicists have put forth arguments for the existence of God, but except for mentioning names and books, I have stuck to history. And I said I had left this subject, but I wanted to clarify that my religious beliefs do not impact what I have said elsewhere about UFOs and intelligent extraterrestrials, as is alleged by the quotes above.

But my presence on the forum I think provides a counterbalance in terms of claims made regarding, for instance in this case, UFOs and intelligent extraterrestrials, and I wanted to reiterate why I believe as I do regarding those two things, as is evidenced clearly from former posts on those two things.

There is no evidence for UFOs that is not explainable. There is no evidence at all for intelligent extraterrestrials. Evidence is what this forum is about. I reentered this thread because UFOs and intelligent extraterrestrials came up. Kim

 

[tyder001]

I really wanted to just stay out of this silly snarkiness. It's caused me to act as if an internet forum is the font of all truth. But, I gotta ask something and if you find it then I will own up to it and attempt to explain myself.

1. Where have I ever said that I am a biblical literalist and that I believe in virgin births and that if you are not a "Christian" you will go to hell?
2. Where have I ever said that there is no way in hell (pardon the pun) that ufo's are from outer space? I do think I have said "I don't believe so but I've had my own sigthings so I honestly don't know."
3. Where have I ever said that all ufo sigthings are bunk?
4. I'm a debunker? Angel, if he drinks coffee might have just spilled his about now.

Finally, let me say this: I wrote a few lines recently about some of the reasons I'm not an atheist and how I would feel if I were one. It wasn't a complete list of why I'm not. I could also do one on why I'm not a religious fundi. But, anyway I didn't say "This is true of all people who are atheist" I just said "This is the way I look at it." Sweet Buddha and the "Man Jesus" you would have thought I had just farted in a movie theatre. I then had a few good conversations with Angel about it. Although, I still hold my view I was able to have a civil conversation about it with somebody who disagress with me without either of us getting nasty.

So, yes I do believe in a higher power and purpose to life. Yes I do think that consciousness precedes the material world. No, I don't beleive an old man in the sky is writing down my "sins" as I live in this world. Yes, I do believe we are all connected and that "I Am" is the most accrurate depiction of God/Being/Universe that I have ever heard. So, disagree and fuss and cuss all you want to. I understand that most people don't give a "rats ass" what I believe or think. However, I perceive that I have been misquoted or misunderstood at the least. So, I thought I would clear that up a little. Also, I am in agreement that this is not the place to spread religious dogma. But, on the other hand it is a place to explore thoughts and views on why we think the way we do.
The next "Alter Call" I make will be the first one. In other words I don't spread religion and try to convert people. I do think that the alien abduction experience is to personal to be simply a "experiment" conducted by off world people. But, I could be wrong. Let me say again. I don't know. I think, but I don't "Know."
Peace.
Steve

 

[tyder001]

By the way that last post is a little to "head up my own butt" so I do apologize in advance because I know this "Aint about me." It's just that I felt some folks had either misrepresented or misunderstood some things and that's why I went into such a long self indulgent post. Ignore it at your leisure.

 

[trainedobserver]

And what about those who now assert that UFOs are demonic? The religious have covered their bases so that if UFOs are proved to exist, their existence will not contradict the religion. What can be more biblical than demons in their monstrous chariots!

As a Christian, this is was the inevitable conclusion I was forced to make at one point. I became pretty upset by my lifelong interest in the subject and actually threw away all my UFO books and material. Some of them were rare and I'll never replace them. If you are going to literally believe the Bible then the only logical conclusion is that demons are real and the principalities and powers of the air are behind all paranormal activity including UFOs, abductions, and so forth.

That is if you buy into paranormal activity. However, the mind set is that the supernatural world is real and that it is populated by things that are out to deceive and entrap you. Believing in ghosts, spirits, strange objects in the sky, and so forth is par for the course if you are going to believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible. It's a world-view driven thing. My Christian friends who I talked to about such matters were in agreement with me. While some might not have believed in the reality of UFOs themselves, they saw the subject as a demonic deception and distraction. I'm well aware that all Christian's don't think alike and that all denominations don't adhere to the same schools of thought. I'm just relating my personal experience.

I think the beginnings of most if not all religions were someone's misinterpreted paranormal-like (for lack of a better word) experience. Whether that was brought on by mushrooms, bad wine, sunstroke, disease, or something else doesn't seem to matter. There seems to be a template contained within the human organism that we use to respond to these types of experiences where we attribute false significance and meaning to them. This is equally true for some UFO phenomena as well I think. I think we see that indirectly in the large response that obviously fake or misidentified objects in UFO videos on youTube get. I think we see that in the many UFO and alien cults that seem to litter the Internet as well.

 

[dyingsun]

Oh random demonic pseudo-deity...love your god and gods, it won't matter. All these deities are a 'thought-construct', at best, not to say that a 'thought-construct' with enough people believing in it, can't do or hurt ...things.