Occult angle of the UFO Phenomena.

[111uminate]

So, we've seen a fair number of mundane threads posted in this section over the last few days covering the more baser aspects of the UFO question (Nuts and Bolts), so I thought I would throw this out there to see what response it garnered. By and large this particular angle of the question is equally unknown as it is documented, so much can be freely said about it, however I feel it is still a necessary and interesting component of the overall mystery. From my perspective it is an oft missed, and inadequately discussed facet of the history regarding the subject, occasionally touched upon by Greg Bishop and Nick Redfern over at http://www.ufomystic.com/.

For those unaware, and unaccustomed to names such as Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons, I point you to the direction of http://www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm. You won't find much unbiased, objective research into the subject on the net unfortunately, but that article lays it out as history knows it for the most part. A few questions I pose regarding that angle of the question are:

• To what degree can occult practices, such as ceremonial magick have an effect upon the phenomena?
• Could it be readily accepted that through human will alone, and the meticulous order of altered states of consciousness one is able to interact with the phenomena?
• Amidst the highly secret rituals and procedures of various mystery schools, such as the O.T.O. and the Golden Dawn, is the contact of praeter-human intelligences a goal?

There is one personal experience I can recollect recounted through another that would seemingly point to the possibility, but it never held up to the criteria of verification that I would have liked. Being a student of Crowleyana and various teachings of mystery schools, I question where it all fits in with the UFO mystery. One can read the works of Kenneth Grant, the current head of the O.T.O., and disciple of Crowley's, and there would be no mistake in his desire to contact "entities" outside of our reality. My question for the topic is simple. To what degree do you think any of them have succeeded? If at all?
http://www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm

 

[Experiencer7]

I'm sure they find our rituals amusing. The high strangeness, synchronicity, dreams and temporal anomalies are impressive. They have an established history of making fools or madmen of everyone who interacts with them. Cultures and cults have evoked and invoked these unfit, petty gods by many names. We need to go on the offensive., and drive them from our skies. Every instance where they have displayed a vulnerability., should be explored and exploited. No species has the right to subject another to an extended campaign of intellectual subjugation.

 

[aNorthernSoul]

I am not totally decided, but I do think there is something to these stories of contact brought about by mysticism. I too have had a couple experiences in a non drug altered state... and well before the time of my life where I played with those at all, where one could suggest I had a similar experience. At the same time, if contact was made, it's hard to really judge how much validity you could give to whatever it was you contacted.... I am really interested in this aspect of it, but sadly have no answers.

 

[111uminate]

I'm sure they find our rituals amusing. The high strangeness, synchronicity, dreams and temporal anomalies are impressive. They have an established history of making fools or madmen of everyone who interacts with them. Cultures and cults have evoked and invoked these unfit, petty gods by many names. We need to go on the offensive., and drive them from our skies. Every instance where they have displayed a vulnerability., should be explored and exploited. No species has the right to subject another to an extended campaign of intellectual subjugation.

Perhaps it's time for a banishing ritual on a global scale? Haha. That alone is an interesting facet of occult practice, along with devices of protection. Banishing rites, elemental tablets, crosses and pentacles. These devices of mental protection hint at the occult experience being somewhat self-contained, generated and contained within the mind of the individual, in my opinion at least. If you consider what ceremonial magick is largely agreed upon to be, the act of "fooling the mind" to achieve desired states of consciousness, or bring about change of some other form, the belief placed in such protective measures also belongs in that description. So then what are they? Catalysts to induce powerful mental protection over oneself, not undifferent from the balancing pole of a tightrope walker.

Where these intelligences may simply have free reign over what their minds can achieve, we humans need to fool ourselves, and carry out elaborate rites that are paramount in their meaning and symbolism in order to climb higher up the mental frequency ladder. Perhaps that's where the occult connection can be made? If so, I wonder to what extent, if at all these devices of protection may prove effective with them, assuming enough belief were invested. If there is a genuine occult interaction to be made, would they be bound by these same rules? Maybe all those people who were abducted just needed a pentacle to carry around! Ah, I kid.

 

[cyberknight]

Perhaps it's time for a banishing ritual on a global scale? Haha. That alone is an interesting facet of occult practice, along with devices of protection. Banishing rites, elemental tablets, crosses and pentacles. These devices of mental protection hint at the occult experience being somewhat self-contained, generated and contained within the mind of the individual, in my opinion at least. If you consider what ceremonial magick is largely agreed upon to be, the act of "fooling the mind" to achieve desired states of consciousness, or bring about change of some other form, the belief placed in such protective measures also belongs in that description. So then what are they? Catalysts to induce powerful mental protection over oneself, not undifferent from the balancing pole of a tightrope walker.

Where these intelligences may simply have free reign over what their minds can achieve, we humans need to fool ourselves, and carry out elaborate rites that are paramount in their meaning and symbolism in order to climb higher up the mental frequency ladder. Perhaps that's where the occult connection can be made? If so, I wonder to what extent, if at all these devices of protection may prove effective with them, assuming enough belief were invested. If there is a genuine occult interaction to be made, would they be bound by these same rules? Maybe all those people who were abducted just needed a pentacle to carry around! Ah, I kid.

I think a mental frequency barrier that was created by whatever means is good but, maybe short term. Unless your desires were impressed upon some universal mind that was taking notes, keeping up your barrier and not letting it become damaged by - drinking, lack of sleep, reading these forums or even a simple argument can become a little time consuming, it may require a daily or weekly ritual tune up... somehow dancing naked around a bonfire wearing a tin foil hat just popped into my head...

Do they have rules - I believe so but, self imposed. I think they can break them at any time. Exploring the barriers idea may prove to be an interesting exercise.

 

[111uminate]

I think a mental frequency barrier that was created by whatever means is good but, maybe short term. Unless your desires were impressed upon some universal mind that was taking notes, keeping up your barrier and not letting it become damaged by - drinking, lack of sleep, reading these forums or even a simple argument can become a little time consuming, it may require a daily or weekly ritual tune up... somehow dancing naked around a bonfire wearing a tin foil hat just popped into my head...

Do they have rules - I believe so but, self imposed. I think they can break them at any time. Exploring the barriers idea may prove to be an interesting exercise.

Could be, but I try to think of it along the lines of what anecdotal evidence we do have of other intelligences interacting with human beings. The communication is purportedly telepathic, involving a "linking of the minds", of sorts. What permits such a connection? Would it be unreasonable to wager that something inherently "open", or unguarded in the average person allows it? Perhaps it is a lack of a "mental frequency barrier" as you mentioned. In other words, those rules may not be self imposed at all, but merely appear that way. The rules are bound by what we can achieve mentally, on a personal level. Blocking them out, I suppose would be a simpler way to say it. If the telepathic notion is to be true, then we can all agree that the human race is not accustomed to such communication, so we wouldn't have an adequate interface for it. Maybe that's why it's so easy for them to exert their will, and communicate mentally with us, as if invading our minds.

 

[cyberknight]

Could be, but I try to think of it along the lines of what anecdotal evidence we do have of other intelligences interacting with human beings. The communication is purportedly telepathic, involving a "linking of the minds", of sorts. What permits such a connection? Would it be unreasonable to wager that something inherently "open", or unguarded in the average person allows it? Perhaps it is a lack of a "mental frequency barrier" as you mentioned. In other words, those rules may not be self imposed at all, but merely appear that way. The rules are bound by what we can achieve mentally, on a personal level. Blocking them out, I suppose would be a simpler way to say it. If the telepathic notion is to be true, then we can all agree that the human race is not accustomed to such communication, so we wouldn't have an adequate interface for it. Maybe that's why it's so easy for them to exert their will, and communicate mentally with us, as if invading our minds.

Good comment... your right, the anecdotal evidence does suggest that we have an unguarded communication 'doorway' almost like a programmer that leaves a backdoor to his program that is undetectable. I suggest that the visitors may as well but, since we are unfamiliar with using or blocking it, advantage them. I see what you mean by rules that it's my point of view of 'rules' and they may have none at all, just a standard operating procedure to conduct their business. Though they seem to have an advantage, I believe learning how the mind works, learning how barriers work should prove beneficial to a person and to the visitors.. troublesome.

 

[aNorthernSoul]

Thinking along those lines has always made me wonder about psizophrenia and what exactly is going on there...

 

[111uminate]

Good comment... your right, the anecdotal evidence does suggest that we have an unguarded communication 'doorway' almost like a programmer that leaves a backdoor to his program that is undetectable. I suggest that the visitors may as well but, since we are unfamiliar with using or blocking it, advantage them. I see what you mean by rules that it's my point of view of 'rules' and they may have none at all, just a standard operating procedure to conduct their business. Though they seem to have an advantage, I believe learning how the mind works, learning how barriers work should prove beneficial to a person and to the visitors.. troublesome.

Oh absolutely. If anything, I think what we can discern concretely is that the various phenomena regarding the subject calls into question what we think we understand about reality. It requires an amalgam of everything that we consider to be human; our science, our religion, mysticism, philosophy, and so on. It represents an archetype of origin heretofore unknown, literally alien to us, as some would interpret. If it turns out to be a mystery with a more "human" solution at it's end, I still think that the phenomena as it stands now is still an important facet of learning about ourselves. If not an archetype of sorts, it surely is a powerful lens for us to look at ourselves.

That line of thought is what invariably leads me to the occult angle of this mystery. As obscure and unexplored an avenue it may be, there are still peculiar bits of information out there that point to it, although through anecdote, such as the Amalantrah Working Crowley pioneered. I try to look at it logically, insofar as what "magical thinking" or practices may represent in human consciousness. If ritual processes heighten awareness and promote altered states of perception, perhaps it may prove to be a beacon of sorts for our supposed visitors? If they are sharply mentally attuned as we think they are, of course.

Thinking along those lines has always made me wonder about psizophrenia and what exactly is going on there...

Hmm, I'm not very familiar with the term. Could you elaborate on what it entails?

 

[cyberknight]

Oh absolutely. If anything, I think what we can discern concretely is that the various phenomena regarding the subject calls into question what we think we understand about reality. It requires an amalgam of everything that we consider to be human; our science, our religion, mysticism, philosophy, and so on. It represents an archetype of origin heretofore unknown, literally alien to us, as some would interpret. If it turns out to be a mystery with a more "human" solution at it's end, I still think that the phenomena as it stands now is still an important facet of learning about ourselves. If not an archetype of sorts, it surely is a powerful lens for us to look at ourselves.

That line of thought is what invariably leads me to the occult angle of this mystery. As obscure and unexplored an avenue it may be, there are still peculiar bits of information out there that point to it, although through anecdote, such as the Amalantrah Working Crowley pioneered. I try to look at it logically, insofar as what "magical thinking" or practices may represent in human consciousness. If ritual processes heighten awareness and promote altered states of perception, perhaps it may prove to be a beacon of sorts for our supposed visitors? If they are sharply mentally attuned as we think they are, of course.

I'm not up on my mystery school of thought but, Crowley's portrait of Lam is very intriguing. Does the 'state' of heighten awareness or that of altered frequency happen not only during ritual processes but, also when we sleep? I wonder.., if were to take your thought that one may become a 'beacon of sorts', broadcasting a state of openness to whomever was tuned in at the time would seem to lend itself to those ones with experiences that happen during the night, I think even that of being drowsy may cause a lite state to occur. So our 'supposed' visitors would be considered a type of vulture as it were..? I'm probably giving the ' insect overlords' more credit than I should...

 

[aNorthernSoul]

Hmm, I'm not very familiar with the term. Could you elaborate on what it entails?

Schizophrenia? Basically, it is different than multiple personality syndrome, though often incorrectly referred to that way. Basically, symptoms often include abnormal thought processes including prioritizing tasks, certain memory functions and organizing their thoughts. They often have difficulty experiencing normal pleasure in life and following through on tasks and often appear somewhat emotionless. Also, there is the all encompassing ""psychotic" symptoms, include delusions and hallucinations because the patient has lost touch with reality in certain important ways." The movie "a Beautiful Mind" was about a schizophrenic man. I often wonder if they are perhaps tapping into a portion of reality outside consensus reality, or if indeed they are suffering from a mental illness purely of a clinical nature.

 

[111uminate]

I'm not up on my mystery school of thought but, Crowley's portrait of Lam is very intriguing. Does the 'state' of heighten awareness or that of altered frequency happen not only during ritual processes but, also when we sleep? I wonder.., if were to take your thought that one may become a 'beacon of sorts', broadcasting a state of openness to whomever was tuned in at the time would seem to lend itself to those ones with experiences that happen during the night, I think even that of being drowsy may cause a lite state to occur. So our 'supposed' visitors would be considered a type of vulture as it were..? I'm probably giving the ' insect overlords' more credit than I should...

Haha. Yeah, that portrait surely is interesting. The only thing missing on it as per what the consensus reports is the large eyes, but everything else is there; large head, tiny holes for a nose, slit for a mouth. What's boggling is that it was created sometime in the early 1920's, long before the "little grey men" hysteria broke loose. Bizarre coincidence or something else? I'm not one to search for "answers" where there aren't any, but I'll agree, that portrait surely is interesting and raises a slew of questions I think a lot of people don't want to deal with.

As with sleep and ritual practice and the states induced, studies have shown ever since the EEG was introduced that the brain operates very similarly while asleep and under a meditative state. What's known as a cortical theta rhythm is primarily observed in adults while asleep or drowsy, and more frequently in young children. The term "Theta" refers to the frequency range as reported by the EEG, which is between 4-7 Hz. That connection is quite interesting, and lends some credence to the "beacon theory". The theta rhythm is also thought to have a lot to do with learning and memory. Hmmm.

Schizophrenia? Basically, it is different than multiple personality syndrome, though often incorrectly referred to that way. Basically, symptoms often include abnormal thought processes including prioritizing tasks, certain memory functions and organizing their thoughts. They often have difficulty experiencing normal pleasure in life and following through on tasks and often appear somewhat emotionless. Also, there is the all encompassing ""psychotic" symptoms, include delusions and hallucinations because the patient has lost touch with reality in certain important ways." The movie "a Beautiful Mind" was about a schizophrenic man. I often wonder if they are perhaps tapping into a portion of reality outside consensus reality, or if indeed they are suffering from a mental illness purely of a clinical nature.

So psizophrenia and schizophrenia are similar? And I've often wondered the same thing, as with hallucinogenic experiences. We can't exactly agree upon what we define as "real", so questions like that have always been valid ones to me. Just because the majority of us experience a reality largely with the same parameters doesn't mean it's the correct, or "real" one. It's certainly the most prevalent, but I think it's lax to think that different modes of perception harbored by others are wrong. If you think of consciousness as a flowing river, and the nearby land that contains it acting as a governing property, schizophrenia may be nothing more than a delta. Just as a river expands, so can consciousness. Just as a river splits into a delta, so can consciousness. The real question is, are those deltas created by the river, or the weakening of the land?

 

[aNorthernSoul]

So psizophrenia and schizophrenia are similar? And I've often wondered the same thing, as with hallucinogenic experiences. We can't exactly agree upon what we define as "real", so questions like that have always been valid ones to me. Just because the majority of us experience a reality largely with the same parameters doesn't mean it's the correct, or "real" one. It's certainly the most prevalent, but I think it's lax to think that different modes of perception harbored by others are wrong. If you think of consciousness as a flowing river, and the nearby land that contains it acting as a governing property, schizophrenia may be nothing more than a delta. Just as a river expands, so can consciousness. Just as a river splits into a delta, so can consciousness. The real question is, are those deltas created by the river, or the weakening of the land?

Ha! Yeah yeah... typo. In fact, sometimes I will insert a word into a sentence for no real reason by mistake too. :redface:

Yeah, similar, I wonder if they "tap into" something we have better buffers for.

 

[cyberknight]

To answer your original question, my thoughts on this are that I believe their 'want' for enlightenment overcame the possible rejection from others that may have come about from the path chose to obtain it. It seems they were really only focused on opening a 'door' for the enlightenment to pass through.

They wanted change, new thoughts and it also seems that they were not concerned that this enlightenment may have come with some kind of price attached to it.

But as to where this enlightenment came from? The religious Angles & Demons... The lore of Monsters & Ghost... or my favorite.. the visitors in the shinny ships? Now there's the real question.

I think that someone has been experimenting on this planet for an extremely long time and all of their pet projects are out of the cage and running around, it reminds me of the movie.. "The Island of Dr. Moreau". They and their leftover escapees have been screwing with us.. IMO

 

[Martina]

I feel quite strongly that this "occult" angle detracts from any serious study of the reported phenomena and gives rise to the giggle factor with regard to UFO's. I regard all such occult, psychic, channeling, or supernatural claims regarding UFO's or extraterrestrials as BS put out there by people with serious identity problems and seeking to suck in the credulous among us in an effort to seem *special* and draw attention to themselves, as well as make money off suckers while cultivating a cult of personality around themselves.

 

[vonmazur]

Goodness; Whatever you do, do not make contact with the intra-solar Venusian bankers insect-lust-Hoerbergian Welteislehre weltanschauung aliens...they were as bad as the Elders of Mars and all their Protocols...Took 5 exorcists a long time to get rid of them....Only to be replaced by followers of Elron Humbug....I had to leave Connecticut because of the OTO idiots and the extra-normal beings they kept calling up...Only silver bullets or unalloyed metal will get rid of them...had to melt down a a lot of silver to make my own projectiles....................Fortunately they are scared poop-less of Bible Thumpers and their Snakes.....

Dale (In AL)

 

[tyder001]

Do not under any circumstance do business with this creature. His kind are indeed in cahoots with the Venusian Bankers and they are (with the help of the Illuminati) out to subdue all mankind to their will.

 

[Trajanus]

I feel quite strongly that this "occult" angle detracts from any serious study of the reported phenomena and gives rise to the giggle factor with regard to UFO's. I regard all such occult, psychic, channeling, or supernatural claims regarding UFO's or extraterrestrials as BS put out there by people with serious identity problems and seeking to suck in the credulous among us in an effort to seem *special* and draw attention to themselves, as well as make money off suckers while cultivating a cult of personality around themselves.

Yup, and there's another possible purpose: sabatage legitimate UFOlogy by making the whole field look wacko. I mean, as if we don't have enough credibility problems without this...

 

[trainedobserver]

Bible Thumpers and their Snakes.....

I highly recommend Salvation on Sand Mountain: Snake-Handling and Redemption in Southern Appalachia by Dennis Covington.

 

[tyder001]

I highly recommend Salvation on Sand Mountain: Snake-Handling and Redemption in Southern Appalachia by Dennis Covington.

As somebody from "Southern Appalachia" and the Sand Mountain area I will take a look at it. I'll search Kindle when I get home tonight. Sounds interesting.