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Thats bullshit and you well know it ! Everbody knows that people in the military dont wear flares they wear combat pants that have large pockets on the thighs !
(joke)
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Thats bullshit and you well know it ! Everbody knows that people in the military dont wear flares they wear combat pants that have large pockets on the thighs !
(joke)
Ron Collins
Curiously Confused
I've seen the initial ufo. vid. taken by a fireman. It's very rare unfortunately. The day I come across it again on the net, I'll be sure to post though. If that day comes, sticky it lol. Or allow me to if I have that ability
Fireman? I didn't know some fireman took a video. Has anyone seen this? Can you give a description?
Cosmic Ejaculator 1814
~Trout Mask Replica~
A short clip of the craft is on the previous page,Ron...(4:37)
Aaron LeClair
Paranormal Maven
For whatever reason I recall it was a volunteer fireman there when the vid was taken. I may be mistaken though. I recently read one of the initial witnesses was a former police officer, so maybe my brain perverted that fact.
I hear MUFON has a lot of their journals online. Check the issues around the time the Phoenix lights happened for some good info. on the vids and sightings. I still have the journals somewhere I think. Boxed up from moves.
i dont see the problem, you posted the ET's are available to answer questions, and i think most ppl have the "why not land on the lawn" one at the top of the list.
ive heard a number of answers to this question, and was interested in what your "sources" had to say.
heres an example
http://data4science.net/essays.php?EssayID=838
"One question always arises from the skeptics like a pre-programmed statement, “Why isn’t there any evidence!” Logic shows that if incontrovertible physical evidence was left behind (such as an instrument or object made of non-earthly materials, it would cause a major problem. People would start focusing on fighting aliens, instead of focusing on earthly arguments. It would become a major obstacle for the alien agenda.
Ronald Reagan’s statements about an alien force or threat unifying the world are probably correct. But who told him?"
im interested in your "sources" answer on the why not prove your existance once and for all question
Thanks Bill, i apreciate your detailed reply.
your friends and i will have to agree to disagree about the whitehouse lawn. im firmly of the mind that a simple demonstration like that would produce in humanity the very mindset they say they seek.
humans are often not very keen on being smacked in the face with reality, but they do roll with the punch when it happens. im confident such an event would "flick a switch" in most observers.
it would be like taking a broom to the myriad questions that have littered our conciousness for so long, and give us something "real" to research
i take you you get no sense of "deception" when dealing with them ?
is it possible that the faction you are dealing with is breaking federation rules and as such are renegades and criminals by fed standards and may be lying to you ?
your friends and i will have to agree to disagree about the whitehouse lawn. im firmly of the mind that a simple demonstration like that would produce in humanity the very mindset they say they seek.
humans are often not very keen on being smacked in the face with reality, but they do roll with the punch when it happens. im confident such an event would "flick a switch" in most observers.
it would be like taking a broom to the myriad questions that have littered our conciousness for so long, and give us something "real" to research
i take you you get no sense of "deception" when dealing with them ?
is it possible that the faction you are dealing with is breaking federation rules and as such are renegades and criminals by fed standards and may be lying to you ?
Kieran
Paranormal Adept
Thanks Bill, i apreciate your detailed reply.
your friends and i will have to agree to disagree about the whitehouse lawn. im firmly of the mind that a simple demonstration like that would produce in humanity the very mindset they say they seek.
humans are often not very keen on being smacked in the face with reality, but they do roll with the punch when it happens. im confident such an event would "flick a switch" in most observers.
it would be like taking a broom to the myriad questions that have littered our conciousness for so long, and give us something "real" to research
Totally agree with your analyse there
Aaron LeClair
Paranormal Maven
Landing on the white house lawn is like a kidnapper turning himself in.
Thanks again Max, interesting indeed.
Dont get me wrong on the deception question, deception is not a bad thing. in every ecosystem we have found, the predator /prey model exists and deception is a key principle in the dance of life. animals have hides that blend in with scenery, or attributes that mimic larger animals, such as fish with big red "eye" markings etc. you say there ship was "cloaked" so one can postulate deception is also a principle that (to my mind) is only natural for them to employ.
we even have a construct called the white lie, a concious deception made with "good" intentions. (though to my mind good and evil are also constructs )
the white house lawn............
as the "federation" implys there does come a time when individual species are no longer in isolation, what factors determine this change. is it as i suspect we need to develop our own technology up to parity in our own time with little or no direct help. if we want to race the galactic freeways then we need to build our own racecars.
baboons are not sentient, we are more creative than we are destructive. and i can only speak from my life exerience but i suspect the same scenario is true the world over.
when i was five my great grandmother was 94 years older than me, and i remember her telling me that when she was a girl there were no cars, just horses and carts, by the time we had this conversation every home had a car and man had walked the moon, and skylab was floating above.
at that time of you mentioned UFO's to anyone who went to church every sunday you were in for a ear bashing, them was fightin words.
i got chucked out of class when i was 7 for daring to suggest that rather than walk on water jesus may have used a jet pack and said tech being unrecognisable to the locals would not have been recorded, i have von daniken to thank for that one i think.... anyway today the question is not do they exist, thats now taken as an established fact, now we are asking what are they and where do they come from.
thats a massive change in mindset.
the "shock" of a lawn incident would not cripple us like it may have 50 years ago, certainly 200 years ago would have been a poor time to do so.
but today i honestly feel that the overall result would be a positive one.
tell me are any of the federation member species carnivorous ?
or have they all chosen not to eat the flesh of other species.
is it that simple ? is that the baboon scenario for them, that we might eat them ?
the vegans are saying the best way to stop global warming is to join them, some say the prions that cause mad cow are ET in origin.
do we simply need to evolve to a level where we dont need or want to eat flesh, is that the threshold ?
im very interested in this aspect, so if you can find out if any of the federation member species still ingest meat products.
i would be grateful for your answer
kindest regards
mike
Dont get me wrong on the deception question, deception is not a bad thing. in every ecosystem we have found, the predator /prey model exists and deception is a key principle in the dance of life. animals have hides that blend in with scenery, or attributes that mimic larger animals, such as fish with big red "eye" markings etc. you say there ship was "cloaked" so one can postulate deception is also a principle that (to my mind) is only natural for them to employ.
we even have a construct called the white lie, a concious deception made with "good" intentions. (though to my mind good and evil are also constructs )
the white house lawn............
as the "federation" implys there does come a time when individual species are no longer in isolation, what factors determine this change. is it as i suspect we need to develop our own technology up to parity in our own time with little or no direct help. if we want to race the galactic freeways then we need to build our own racecars.
baboons are not sentient, we are more creative than we are destructive. and i can only speak from my life exerience but i suspect the same scenario is true the world over.
when i was five my great grandmother was 94 years older than me, and i remember her telling me that when she was a girl there were no cars, just horses and carts, by the time we had this conversation every home had a car and man had walked the moon, and skylab was floating above.
at that time of you mentioned UFO's to anyone who went to church every sunday you were in for a ear bashing, them was fightin words.
i got chucked out of class when i was 7 for daring to suggest that rather than walk on water jesus may have used a jet pack and said tech being unrecognisable to the locals would not have been recorded, i have von daniken to thank for that one i think.... anyway today the question is not do they exist, thats now taken as an established fact, now we are asking what are they and where do they come from.
thats a massive change in mindset.
the "shock" of a lawn incident would not cripple us like it may have 50 years ago, certainly 200 years ago would have been a poor time to do so.
but today i honestly feel that the overall result would be a positive one.
tell me are any of the federation member species carnivorous ?
or have they all chosen not to eat the flesh of other species.
is it that simple ? is that the baboon scenario for them, that we might eat them ?
the vegans are saying the best way to stop global warming is to join them, some say the prions that cause mad cow are ET in origin.
do we simply need to evolve to a level where we dont need or want to eat flesh, is that the threshold ?
im very interested in this aspect, so if you can find out if any of the federation member species still ingest meat products.
i would be grateful for your answer
kindest regards
mike
OHHH Kaaay................
i tried to read "the letter" just now, but it just started blurring, both visually and mentally.
it was TL;DR, but i skipped to the end and my vote is yes
the reason why is simple,Knowledge is always better than ignorance.
and its an excellent tool when dealing with deception
i tried to read "the letter" just now, but it just started blurring, both visually and mentally.
it was TL;DR, but i skipped to the end and my vote is yes
the reason why is simple,Knowledge is always better than ignorance.
and its an excellent tool when dealing with deception
Fair enough there is after all a huge difference between a vegan and a vegitarian pizza.
i noticed your links section specifically the one to "he who shall not be named...."
that can get you dipped in hot cheese and served up as an offering to the chocolate jesus you know ?
Ok a few more thoughts on this.
overpopulation seems as good a reason as any to develop space travel, and we are seeing the model do something similar here. they say that meat animals create alot of greenhouse gas, and of course they take up space.
all those cliches about a future filled with soy burgers doesnt (by the numbers) seem that far fetched.
and again by the time you have too little space for meat animals due to overpopulation youd be developing space flight in a big way.
so here we are in space and again, daisy the cow just isnt the optimum payload to deliver the service required.
ive heard a "story" (chaneled) that one race uses large vats which grow a genetically optimised algae which is scrapped off and ingested.
sounds whacky ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirulina_(dietary_supplement)
all very do-able, and we are using feral stock. its not too much of a stretch to consider a GM'd version of this being a viable energy source for space travelers, in a simple nuts and bolts way.
thats just the practical side, im not a vegan but i do eat a lot of vegitarian food, and keep my use of animal products to a minimum.
for example i have a half dozen pairs of synthetic shoes, but one good pair of leather hikers because thats the material better suited to the task.
i feed my dogs meat, because thats what is natural for them.
but i have vegan freinds who quite seriouly view a fridge full of chicken necks or a pantry stocked with tuna in cans as a charnel house.
and are highly offended to encounter such, to the point where i borrow a neighbours fridge for the dogs dinner, and make sure the pantry doesnt have any canned meats, as a courtesy to them if they are visiting.
Bills website is asking everyone if we want aliens to manifest, and my first thought is if im having them over to dinner should i take the same steps to "clean up" as i would if a vegan were visiting.
based on my "daisy" reasoning one might expect they might be vegan, and so id really like to know how many of the member species in the federation ingest meat products.
every bio system here from plants to animals take energy and use it to maintain function, one could imagine that like any system an ET entity would need to ingest fuel , considering the various human taboos about food ive always wondered about the meat thingy when looking at the ET question.
ive always held a suspicion that a species that has spent a million years scrapping lunch of the side of an algae vat might be as squeemish as my vegan friends when it comes to our overall dietry sources as a species
overpopulation seems as good a reason as any to develop space travel, and we are seeing the model do something similar here. they say that meat animals create alot of greenhouse gas, and of course they take up space.
all those cliches about a future filled with soy burgers doesnt (by the numbers) seem that far fetched.
and again by the time you have too little space for meat animals due to overpopulation youd be developing space flight in a big way.
so here we are in space and again, daisy the cow just isnt the optimum payload to deliver the service required.
ive heard a "story" (chaneled) that one race uses large vats which grow a genetically optimised algae which is scrapped off and ingested.
sounds whacky ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirulina_(dietary_supplement)
all very do-able, and we are using feral stock. its not too much of a stretch to consider a GM'd version of this being a viable energy source for space travelers, in a simple nuts and bolts way.
thats just the practical side, im not a vegan but i do eat a lot of vegitarian food, and keep my use of animal products to a minimum.
for example i have a half dozen pairs of synthetic shoes, but one good pair of leather hikers because thats the material better suited to the task.
i feed my dogs meat, because thats what is natural for them.
but i have vegan freinds who quite seriouly view a fridge full of chicken necks or a pantry stocked with tuna in cans as a charnel house.
and are highly offended to encounter such, to the point where i borrow a neighbours fridge for the dogs dinner, and make sure the pantry doesnt have any canned meats, as a courtesy to them if they are visiting.
Bills website is asking everyone if we want aliens to manifest, and my first thought is if im having them over to dinner should i take the same steps to "clean up" as i would if a vegan were visiting.
based on my "daisy" reasoning one might expect they might be vegan, and so id really like to know how many of the member species in the federation ingest meat products.
every bio system here from plants to animals take energy and use it to maintain function, one could imagine that like any system an ET entity would need to ingest fuel , considering the various human taboos about food ive always wondered about the meat thingy when looking at the ET question.
ive always held a suspicion that a species that has spent a million years scrapping lunch of the side of an algae vat might be as squeemish as my vegan friends when it comes to our overall dietry sources as a species
Cosmic Ejaculator 1814
~Trout Mask Replica~
It's been a slow couple of weeks in ufology,Huh?
No im not kidding, if i were id have asked for someone to chanel an ET cookbook
im very very serious, if im to play host to visitors, the first thing the very first thing i need to know is what to serve my guests.
every bioform here "ingests" something, but there ARE taboos, i can take a pork pie into an english pub, but not a temple or ,mosque.
so its not the pork its the mindset that causes the problem in this example.
so again seriously do members of the federation have any food taboos like we do, ie halal or kosher.
and again wheres the joke here ?.
we didnt send any slaughter animals to the moon, we dont slaughter animals on the shuttle or ISS for food its not an efficent way to deliver the resource.
so its not a stretch to consider a full time space going species might for reasons of practicality be vegan, and then theres the mindset
ive met beings who consider eating meat highly offensive, are horrified by the very idea that ppl could do this.
soooo
all things considered its probibly the most important UFO question i have, quite serious about that.
and maybe just maybe its that simple, that they are waiting for us to evolve into vegans before we are allowed out of isolation.
im always struck by these two examples, if we take them as examples of the UFO question and a lot do these two examples being crop circles and cattle mutilation.
if these are both "expressions" of ET's presence, then look at them from a simple photographic pov. one shows patterns of beauty in cereal food sources, the other "mutilation" in our meat food source one of beauty one very ugly.
food
why should that be a funny question ?
so back to the premise
Our ET friends are available to answer your questions
thats mine, the meat thingy
ask em, you never know they might be very happy the host has accepted the idea of contact so smoothly hes asking about the catering without batting an eyelid
im very very serious, if im to play host to visitors, the first thing the very first thing i need to know is what to serve my guests.
every bioform here "ingests" something, but there ARE taboos, i can take a pork pie into an english pub, but not a temple or ,mosque.
so its not the pork its the mindset that causes the problem in this example.
so again seriously do members of the federation have any food taboos like we do, ie halal or kosher.
and again wheres the joke here ?.
we didnt send any slaughter animals to the moon, we dont slaughter animals on the shuttle or ISS for food its not an efficent way to deliver the resource.
so its not a stretch to consider a full time space going species might for reasons of practicality be vegan, and then theres the mindset
ive met beings who consider eating meat highly offensive, are horrified by the very idea that ppl could do this.
soooo
all things considered its probibly the most important UFO question i have, quite serious about that.
and maybe just maybe its that simple, that they are waiting for us to evolve into vegans before we are allowed out of isolation.
im always struck by these two examples, if we take them as examples of the UFO question and a lot do these two examples being crop circles and cattle mutilation.
if these are both "expressions" of ET's presence, then look at them from a simple photographic pov. one shows patterns of beauty in cereal food sources, the other "mutilation" in our meat food source one of beauty one very ugly.
food
why should that be a funny question ?
so back to the premise
Our ET friends are available to answer your questions
thats mine, the meat thingy
ask em, you never know they might be very happy the host has accepted the idea of contact so smoothly hes asking about the catering without batting an eyelid