Phoenix Lights A Hoax Just Like '97

[blindethos]

http://www.azfamily.com/news/homepagetopstory/stories/Phoenix_local_news_042108_new-lights-sightings.895be60f.html

 

[Rocketsauce]

I don't get the allure of faking UFO's if that was what he did and his intention. Hopefully we will get a little more of the story. If it was intentional I'm not sure why you'd want to prove that balloon flares can trick people, but if that was his goal, congrats to him in his tiny world of trickery! I wonder if he also likes to leave one of those answering messages where you say "Hey, how's it going...." only to have the caller tricked into thinking you are really on the other line.... what a rush

 

[Aaron LeClair]

97 event was apparently military (video of that craft is overshadowed by light array vids). Later the flare drop took place, perhaps as a decoy. Not sure what to make of some of the eyewitness reports which indicate it was something "alien". Too bad the vids aren't as neat as what some people claim to have seen.

 

[TClaeys]

97 event was apparently military (video of that craft is overshadowed by light array vids). Later the flare drop took place, perhaps as a decoy. Not sure what to make of some of the eyewitness reports which indicate it was something "alien". Too bad the vids aren't as neat as what some people claim to have seen.

I must have missed something. 97 was military?? Could you provide some more information about this (links, vids, etc)?

Also YIKES, the article says if you want proof of ET go to disclosureproject.com. Yes absolutely if you want proof of some crackpots and some credible people that had the wool pulled over their eyes, then yes please go there.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

97 event was apparently military (video of that craft is overshadowed by light array vids). Later the flare drop took place, perhaps as a decoy. Not sure what to make of some of the eyewitness reports which indicate it was something "alien". Too bad the vids aren't as neat as what some people claim to have seen.

I must have missed something. 97 was military?? Could you provide some more information about this (links, vids, etc)?

Also YIKES, the article says if you want proof of ET go to disclosureproject.com. Yes absolutely if you want proof of some crackpots and some credible people that had the wool pulled over their eyes, then yes please go there.

The vid of the earlier "ufo" which looks like some type of stealth craft with an aviation light is extremely hard to come by. I've only seen it a handful of times over the years.

I think Bruce Maccabee deals with what I talked about, but his "papers" section at his site is currently down. http://brumac.8k.com/index.html

MUFON journals around the time of the famous 97 event dealt with what I referred too. Someone posted a link to around a decades worth of journals online. Try searching in the earliest sections.

If memory serves, other threads here and at ATS provide more info.

 

[Noanswers]

http://www.azfamily.com/news/homepagetopstory/stories/Phoenix_local_news_042108_new-lights-sightings.895be60f.html

OK I'm not a conspiricy wacko, who thinks "they" put the guy up to saying this, but local media here in Phoenix is reporting that the witnesses are saying that they did not see flares and that the objects moved with "intent". There also seems to be some question about the timing of the alleged release of the flares. Apparently the times don't match up.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

http://www.azfamily.com/news/homepagetopstory/stories/Phoenix_local_news_042108_new-lights-sightings.895be60f.html

OK I'm not a conspiricy wacko, who thinks "they" put the guy up to saying this, but local media here in Phoenix is reporting that the witnesses are saying that they did not see flares and that the objects moved with "intent". There also seems to be some question about the timing of the alleged release of the flares. Apparently the times don't match up.

I see no reason to jump to conspiracy theories.

No video that I've seen shows the lights moving in anyway that would make it be a ufo. Eyewitness testimony that doesn't match what's on tape can be dismissed as far as I'm concerned.

Times don't match? Neither does the eyewitness testimony you mentioned. It differs from person to person somewhat, and differs from what can be seen on the vid.

 

[Siani]

Wasn't the original Phoenix Lights object variously described as being 1 or 2 miles long? As I understand it, experiments have been carried out by dropping flares in the area where the 1997 object was seen, and the light pattern, movement, etc, of the flares bore no resemblance to the Phoenix object. Also, many witnesses stated that the flares were seen after the large object that buzzed the skies around Phoenix. I was under the impression that the Phoenix Lights object was still an unknown, as the military explanation didn't hold up. But please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Wasn't the original Phoenix Lights object variously described as being 1 or 2 miles long? As I understand it, experiments have been carried out by dropping flares in the area where the 1997 object was seen, and the light pattern, movement, etc, of the flares bore no resemblance to the Phoenix object. Also, many witnesses stated that the flares were seen after the large object that buzzed the skies around Phoenix. I was under the impression that the Phoenix Lights object was still an unknown, as the military explanation didn't hold up. But please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Some reports have it that big.

Be sure to check out Bruce Maccabee's analysis in the link I provided above. The section on the event is back up.

Yes, Dilletosso did his "analysis" and concluded it wasn't flares.... He's a supporter of Billy Meier, so that should show you how credible he is. http://www.ufowatchdog.com/hall2.html

The military explanation has been confirmed. But some will say their acknowledgment is a lie.

Keep in mind there were 2 potential ufos that night. Only one vid of the first one, and it differs greatly from the flare drop.

For those still confused, maybe contact MUFON headquarters and ask them about it.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Here's the direct link to Bruce's analysis. Note the top "NOTE: the following analysis of March 13, 1997 sightings over Phoenix refers to the sightings by a few people of lights at about 10 PM. An earlier sighting by hundreds of people around 8:30 PM of a dark triangular object that blocked the stars was a UFO. It is not the subject of this analysis.)"

http://brumac.8k.com/phoenixlights1.html

If I come across the actual vid of the earlier "ufo" online, I'll post. But like I said, it's very rare I come across it. The flare drop made a good decoy.

 

[Tommy Allison]

http://www.ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=814826

Utter Bullshit.

Anyone who knows anything about road flares is that you don't get a 30 second delay between lighting it, and it bursting to light.

The guy who said that it was his idea, and that he hoaxed it is full of shit.

Pardon my language but it's this sort of retardation that makes me realize why we have laws against cousins getting married. Just how stupid does this guy think the rest of the world is? Maybe James McGaha is a moron, but not the rest of us.

We've heard military flares, now helium balloons and flares attached. If the guy's neighbor is saying he saw his friend do this, then he's just as culpable in the lie.

Of course people are going to lie about this thing, because it goes a long way to making anyone who believes in UFO's to look like they're crazy, stupid, or both.

 

[Siani]

Some reports have it that big.

Be sure to check out Bruce Maccabee's analysis in the link I provided above. The section on the event is back up.

Yes, Dilletosso did his "analysis" and concluded it wasn't flares.... He's a supporter of Billy Meier, so that should show you how credible he is. http://www.ufowatchdog.com/hall2.html

The military explanation has been confirmed. But some will say their acknowledgment is a lie.

Keep in mind there were 2 potential ufos that night. Only one vid of the first one, and it differs greatly from the flare drop.

For those still confused, maybe contact MUFON headquarters and ask them about it.

Thanks for the response - appreciate it. BTW, it may surprise you to know that Jim Dilettoso isn't, and never has been, a supporter of Billy Meier. It certainly surprised me! He's yet another person misquoted and misrepresented by he who shall not be named. Check out this post on Jeff Ritzmann's blog, to see why I say this:

http://www.thesecondeclipse.com/blog/2008/4/22/x-conference-aftermath.html

 

[Tommy Allison]

Anyone who has seen military flares knows that they do not sit stationary. Flares dropped by airplanes do not sit stationary after they are dropped. They would have inertia, and would fly along in the wash of a jet.

When I read this article about some moron claiming he faked the Phoenix Lights, I about fell out of my chair. Because a friend of mine and I saw the same thing driving back from Detroit Michigan 9 days later.

It would be great if we could put something in the water that would factor out this kind of idiocy. The lights are what they are, and hopefully someone will have the guts to tell the truth someday.

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

Mr. Allison, we're in agreement, and I love your contempt. Contempt for mankind is a virtue. Hate on, brother.

 

[Tommy Allison]

I'm outraged at the outright audacity of some people that make claims about what they did, when they know damned well they are simply not that clever.

Here's the thing that really gets to me. The lights are in the sky. They're in the sky, and then they come on individually. How does one ignite a road flare from hundreds if not a thousand feet away? IN ORDER no less? How smart does this guy think he really is?

Military flares do not sit stationary. Ask any pilot you know, or ask any military pilot, and they will tell you that they do not simply sit stationary, they often times have their own thrust and movement because in order to get hot enough for a heat seeking missile to lock on, they have to get ungodly hot, and even then they burn out pretty quickly.

Whenever I see people talking about this event or the new one, and I hear about flares, my eyes automatically roll, because most folks want to believe the simplest explanation is the ONLY explanation. They want to feel smart, and so they parrot the nonsense they see on Television.

Had the original video of the Phoenix Lights been shot in infrared, we would have a decidedly different view of things.

I have a lot of contempt for the non-thinking masses out there who pretend they're smarter than everyone else when they are not. I would love to know who this guy is so I can find out exactly how he did it, then try to duplicate it. How hard can it be if this tard who claims he faked it, did it?

 

[blindethos]

It was just like '97 - a bunch of wedding lights tied together with wire. You can tell they're candle lights by the color. They go off one after the other because, just like '97, they went off in the order that they were lit (duh). Go try it yourself. By the floating wedding candles, attach balloons, string 'em together, light 'em up and let 'em go. Linda Howe will have a report up before you can say your vows.

 

[Tommy Allison]

Wedding lights tied together with wire.

Well, since you know how it was done, then what you can do is duplicate it, proving once and for all that you're right. Show us how it is done.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Considering that I've hoaxed a few things myself, I can tell you that I wouldn't want to pull a hoax that could get me arrested for interfering with an aircraft's flight path. Anything over 200 feet and you've got yourself a one way ticket to jail if you cause problems.

Wedding lights tied together with wire. Do you know how much wire weighs at the lengths that it would have to be in order to space it out?

I bet you didn't think about that did you?

 

[TClaeys]

I'm with you on this Tommy. Wires, balloons, and candles for christ sakes?? Give me a fcking break.

You know we just get that shit every once in a while. NOt someone who offers an explanation, ridiculous as it is, but some who is TELLING you what happened. I suppose we should just all shut up and listen to truthsayer right?

I know recently we've had things like:
1. All metaphysical phenomenon are the result of variances of the soul, just buy my book and I'll tell you why. Actually buy 3 of my books to get the real deal.
2. UFO's are a psycho-social phenomenon period. The ET and any other theory is completely bogus and you are an idiot if you entertain them.
3. This, about the Phoenix lights.

There are probably others as well where people preach the one and only truth. It wouldn't suprise me at all to hear this stuff about the Phoenix lights being wires and candles all over this forum. People like this usually have to preach about it over and over to, I guess, get their point across in their way to being thrown off the forum. They don't offer any further explanation, just the SCREAMING truth by their words alone.

Until I see huge lengths of wire attached to candles that can be photographed and seen scores of miles away I'm not even in slightest convinced.

And BTW the Phoenix lights aren't even ABOUT this part. They are about the huge craft seen hours earlier. But I'm sure this is just a conglomerate of 1000's of balloons tied together right??

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Some reports have it that big.

Be sure to check out Bruce Maccabee's analysis in the link I provided above. The section on the event is back up.

Yes, Dilletosso did his "analysis" and concluded it wasn't flares.... He's a supporter of Billy Meier, so that should show you how credible he is. http://www.ufowatchdog.com/hall2.html

The military explanation has been confirmed. But some will say their acknowledgment is a lie.

Keep in mind there were 2 potential ufos that night. Only one vid of the first one, and it differs greatly from the flare drop.

For those still confused, maybe contact MUFON headquarters and ask them about it.

Thanks for the response - appreciate it. BTW, it may surprise you to know that Jim Dilettoso isn't, and never has been, a supporter of Billy Meier. It certainly surprised me! He's yet another person misquoted and misrepresented by he who shall not be named. Check out this post on Jeff Ritzmann's blog, to see why I say this:

http://www.thesecondeclipse.com/blog/2008/4/22/x-conference-aftermath.html

Horn has nothing to do with the sources that made me aware of Dil being a supporter of BM.

 

[blindethos]

Not one single close up, daylight piece of video of a single UFO. Someone releases wedding lights and everyone thinks about little green men. Utter nonsense.