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Charlie Prime said:
I doubt that is correct. I suspect the population experiencing the highest incidence of rape is men in jail.

Western society values women much more than men, so that horror doesn't get much attention.
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Please check out the links I've posted. Those are the facts of the matter.

The highest stats I could find regarding male prison rape were 21% reporting sexual coercion and up to 7% reporting rape. Those stats regarding rape I'm quoting are mostly conservative and global truths. Take time to google it - this is the world that men have made. 90% of prisons are filled with men waging violence on other women and men. It's a problem we have.
 
Charlie Prime said:
I doubt that is correct. I suspect the population experiencing the highest incidence of rape is men in jail.

Western society values women much more than men, so that horror doesn't get much attention.
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I agree with your summation regarding men in prison - though not your sentiment about women. It is because women are not valued - human beings are not valued - that the rapes happen. In the end, rape is about power and violence - not seduction.

IMO sex crimes are an issue of emotional disconnect and rage in someone who feels impotent, powerless. It's also - historically - been the means whereby to debase one's opponent. Example, the raping of an opponent's women in wartime.
 
Burnt State said:
Please check out the links I've posted. Those are the facts of the matter.

The highest stats I could find regarding male prison rape were 21% reporting sexual coercion and up to 7% reporting rape. Those stats regarding rape I'm quoting are mostly conservative and global truths. Take time to google it - this is the world that men have made. 90% of prisons are filled with men waging violence on other women and men. It's a problem we have.
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And as bad as it is in the West, it is worse (based on what I have read - which is not exhaustive by any means) in the hidden recesses of the East where the 'old way' still governs.

One could argue its a problem of violence, not of sex. Sex is merely used as a tool for violence and venting rage.
 
Charlie Prime said:
In Western civilization women are valued, whereas men are a disposable commodity.
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I'm not sure what media you are consuming but the history of gender based commodification and objectification in the west is primarily about the female body. As you scan through the music videos, magazines in the grocery stores or internet ads, like the ones advertising your purchasable East Asian girlfriend here on the Paracast Forum, you might notice that the role of the male in this imagery is to receive pleasure from the servant.

The portrayal of men as still traditional patriarch or muscle bound sports machine does not contain the same disposability factor as seen in how women's bodies are deconstructed and sold piecemeal. Statistics regarding violence against women and children in the west and the east bear out the lower status and limited power women hold in general.

What ideas are you basing this western value placed on women? Have you seen any representations of women in any of the Grand Theft Auto video games or read any critiques of internet pornography etc.? Our entertainment media consistently demean, devalue and degrade women for the pleasure of men. Maybe I'm watching the wrong tv shows or something? But I don't see a Space Hunks thread on the forum, do you?
 
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dyingsun said:
True to an extend, but there's a reason for it you and me both know..
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There are many factors which create society's belief that women are valuable and men are disposable. The primary reason is biological. Women bare children. Men cannot.

The lives of women are more valuable because our species would go extinct if their lives were a low priority. It it acceptable for men to be chewed up and spat out and slaughtered in workplace accidents, war, and economic hardship because we basically don't need very many of them.
 
Burnt State said:
I'm not sure what media you are consuming but the history of gender based commodification and objectification in the west is primarily about the female body.
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This media got me thinking about the phenomena of the disposable male a couple of years ago.

It's some feminist woman in Canada. I had really never thought much about it before.

 
Charlie Prime said:
There are many factors which create society's belief that women are valuable and men are disposable. The primary reason is biological. Women bare children. Men cannot.

The lives of women are more valuable because our species would go extinct if their lives were a low priority. It it acceptable for men to be chewed up and spat out and slaughtered in workplace accidents, war, and economic hardship because we basically don't need very many of them.
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I think we should be valuing each other, and everyone else in an equitable manner and treat people according to their needs.

Theoretically what you say is accurate, but it's not reality. You'd have to be living in a media bubble not to recognize that the world is still mostly cut on the backs of women and that's the "Truth, Ruth," the whole world over. I think that the statistics around male violence, where the majority of violence committed against women, children and other men, is by other men. In that equation, disposability is not a male feature, except to acknowledge that we have this terrible problem in society where we compel men to be made out of plated armour, deny emotions and any other feminine aspect of themselves. This has resulted in a terrible explosion of male violence that sees wives, ex-girlfriends and in some cultures, their own sisters who break with the patriarchal cultural code, as entirely disposable. I won't go into the common means cause it's all over the news and that's the narrative of the world is it not?

We may send men off to war to die, but the great crimes against humanity are in the raping and pillaging of the rest of the village, that's the women and children, in the name of whatever male defined angry ideology that compels them to confirm their victory over the infidels, by maiming their offspring and raping their women. That's the history of world that i know. So in this way everyone is disposable in war, but let's not forget who is committing those crimes, or who is it that's going on sex tourism, and engaging in child sex-slavery?

I think men have a different destiny on this planet where we stop seeing all around us as disposable and that we learn to use our strength for good, to learn to value each other as whole human beings, and to use our intellect and the positions of power we currently hold to create a more equitable space for everyone. To get there we need to reconsider how we educate boys IMHO.

 
Charlie Prime said:
You lost me there man. I tried, but could not understand that. :)
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In theory, as you described, our society values women, or it's only logical to do so, but because we no longer live in tribes and rely on women to maintain the numbers in the community, aka since the nuclear family, our society continues to devalue women on an extreme level. Then i blabbed on from there about male/female equity issues.
 
Burnt, did you watch the entire video of the Canadian woman I posted above?

The last part made tears well up in my eyes. I thought about it constantly for two days, and concluded that I'm OK with service and disposability because I was bred to it. I am what I was made, and I have a purpose, and that's ok.
 
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