Ray Stanford - August 29th

[Sean Elifritz]

Well, guess I'll go ahead and start it off. First of all, Ray is an excellent storyteller. He really knows how to draw you in and describes things in such a way that you almost feel like you're there. Because he's so good at it this is the first episode since the new format got going that the frequent commercials were really bugging me.

It's unfortunate that he is so protective of much of his data. Been trying to speculate why and the only thing I can come up with is that he desires recognition and maybe he feels that if it were on the internet it would become the public's data and somehow he'd be cut out of the loop. I don't know, just guessing. But I wouldn't hold my breath that suddenly a bunch of scientists are going to show up to look at it, especially since it's so old. I'm thinking that most would probably assume that if it's half as fantastic as he says it is they would have seen it decades ago. Here's hoping that what he has is as good as he says it is. He sure does an excellent job talking about it. Wouldn't it be a trip if all this time many of the best UFO images ever filmed have been locked up in some cranky guy's house? But he sounds so protective of it that I'm not very confident I'm ever going to get to see much of it. And if I never get to see it evaluating what I've heard is difficult other than to say it sounds fascinating. But it was good that you got him to agree to release a few things.

He's certainly a very interesting guest, a great storyteller (I can't emphasize that enough. He's one of those guys that you can ask a single question and he could go on for hours if you didn't stop him. Those types are always good at spinnin' a yarn) and I really liked the show.

And I want to say ahead of time that anyone who tries saying that the questions weren't tough enough are flippin' nuts.

 

[Aardvark]

During the Ray Stanford show, there was much talk about posting digital files from Ray on the Paracast Forum. Ray agreed to provide some files. Where will these files appear on Paracast, when and if they are received???

 

[pixelsmith]

Ray should cut back on caffeine and maybe move further away from that strange suitcase in his office.

 

[trainedobserver]

Ray was a great guest. I would love to have heard more about his experience with Adamski (confessed!!), CA Honey, and the rest from that period.

 

[Sean Elifritz]

Ray was a great guest. I would love to have heard more about his experience with Adamski (confessed!!), CA Honey, and the rest from that period.

Yeah, the White Sands thing and claims about being in possession of mountains of photographic and film evidence are one thing and certainly they're going to be controversial so long as they are kept out of view. But all of that aside I find his other stories fascinating. I'd like to hear 2-3 more shows with him where he's just shooting the breeze about behind-the-scenes things in Ufology. I got the impression that he's sitting on a mountain of interesting anecdotes like that.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

I often give Christopher a hard time, but I must say that he did press Stanford on a lot of stuff, although Standford was excellent at deflecting some of the more difficult ones. I can't believe in any of the psychic stuff, but I will gladly look at this amazing sounding footage that he has. Maybe he'll be able to convince me that what he saw was something significant. I hope so - it would be the scientific discovery of a lifetime.
One of the things that bothered me, and maybe its small, but when Gene and Chris both sounded impressed that he had been able to record a clear sound, he backtracked and said that his team mate was so amazed that ended up moving the microphone. I also think that his reasons for not releasing the most incredible footage and only providing us with magnetometer readings were weak. Maybe I'm just being difficult.
I really look forward to seeing the film and the photos. Maybe it'll change my mind. I just hope that he isn't full of it.

One last thing - right at the beginning of the show Christopher said that Stanford is an amateur scientist. From what's been said about him I was under the impression that it was/is his career.

Thanks. This was a much better show than that Jarvis debacle. Hopefully what gets posted is as impressive as the guest made it sound.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

During the Ray Stanford show, there was much talk about posting digital files from Ray on the Paracast Forum. Ray agreed to provide some files. Where will these files appear on Paracast, when and if they are received???

Here is the comparison between gavitometer and magnetometer readings Here is the magetometer reading and a time elapse photo of the two objects after they appeared to dock. There will be more data posted later...

 

[Sean Elifritz]

Here is the comparison between gavitometer and magnetometer readings Here is the magetometer reading and a time elapse photo of the two objects after they appeared to dock. There will be more data posted later...

I thought the show was a big success, Chris. I suppose it depends on how someone wants to look at it when evaluating it. If you don't care at all for the story and only hard proof than I guess that person might feel something was lacking but I don't know how ya' would go about proving something on a radio show anyway. All ya' can do is tell the story. And I think Ray excels at that. Some people are just better at it than others. Ray seems to have an excellent memory and he throws it out there in such a detailed, colorful way that it's hard not to be interested. I get a kind of "around the campfire" feeling when he's a relaying a memory about something. Hope ya' have him on again.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

I'd like to hear 2-3 more shows with him where he's just shooting the breeze about behind-the-scenes things in Ufology. I got the impression that he's sitting on a mountain of interesting anecdotes like that.

I worked for five years documenting Ray's "ufological" life story in a series of taped interviews. I have recorded over 50 hours that has been written up in an unpublished manuscript. I elected to write it using Ray's exact verbatim answers to my posed questions. If he is OK with it, I can post brief examples of the many countless experiences through the years that he has related to me. There are many nuggets and pearls of wisdom, to be sure...

 

[Sean Elifritz]

I worked for five years documenting Ray's "ufological" life story in a series of taped interviews. I have recorded over 50 hours that has been written up in an unpublished manuscript. I elected to write it using Ray's exact verbatim answers to my posed questions. If he is OK with it, I can post brief examples of the many countless experiences through the years that he has related to me. There are many nuggets and pearls of wisdom, to be sure...

Can't get anyone to publish it, eh? Considered self publishing? I know that totally sucks and I would have a tough time doing it myself. But the internet, as much as I like it, has done a lot to damage the print media biz and it's harder than ever to publish anything. I grew up dreaming about writing horror novels. Still think about giving it a try sometimes but the publishing world has been so assaulted by the popularity of the web that it seems like it would be a waste of time.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

Can't get anyone to publish it, eh?

Uh, no-that's an assumption on your part. Actually, I've only shown it to one person in the publishing biz. A well-known editor who signed several high-profile books on the subject since 2003. I was justifiably excited about the project and was simply looking for feedback--not a publishing deal. The book and subject were acknowledged and the subject of a publishing deal was broached. Ray is of the opinion (and I agree) that the book should be published after he has published his scientific hypotheses (and accompanying data) and completely re-established himself in the field--scientifically. In the meantime, I have been slowly fleshing out key parts of the book. Some day it will be published, rest assured. This is a project with no lust for result. I am Thoth, so to speak...

Ray is a trip. And (IMO) this a really good thing. I'm a fairly bright guy and I can barely keep up with him--especially in the math, physics, optics, magnetohydrodynamics, history, meteorology, parapsychology etc departments, etc., but what may also be important about Ray (in a sociological context) is his uncanny ability to re-tell/relate the details of [a] experience that occurred 30-40-50 years ago and communicate to the listener the sense of what it was like. A couple of listeners have commented on this ability to relate the details of a series of seemingly inexplicable events to the listener. I don't know of many people w/ his semi-photographic memory and recall ability for the names of people, places, things, dates--even times! Science is really important. Hypothesis, correlation, data, replication, peer review etc is really important.

This subject represents a truly "tricksterish" aspect of culture. This is where some of the crap gets spewed out and where some of the fertilizer of truth is spread to help germinate our understanding. Don't you treasure any and all clues you are graced with to further help you decipher the clues for the rest of us?

 

[Sean Elifritz]

Uh, no-that's an assumption on your part. Actually, I've only shown it to one person in the publishing biz. A well-known editor who signed several high-profile books on the subject since 2003. I was justifiably excited about the project and was simply looking for feedback--not a publishing deal. The book and subject were acknowledged and the subject of a publishing deal was broached. Ray is of the opinion (and I agree) that the book should be published after he has published his scientific hypotheses (and accompanying data) and completely re-established himself in the field--scientifically. In the meantime, I have been slowly fleshing out key parts of the book. Some day it will be published, rest assured. This is a project with no lust for result. I am Thoth, so to speak...

Ray is a trip. And (IMO) this a really good thing. I'm a fairly bright guy and I can barely keep up with him--especially in the math, physics, optics, magnetohydrodynamics, history, meteorology, parapsychology etc departments, etc., but what may also be important about Ray (in a sociological context) is his uncanny ability to re-tell/relate the details of [a] experience that occurred 30-40-50 years ago and communicate to the listener the sense of what it was like. A couple of listeners have commented on this ability to relate the details of a series of seemingly inexplicable events to the listener. I don't know of many people w/ his semi-photographic memory and recall ability for the names of people, places, things, dates--even times! Science is really important. Hypothesis, correlation, data, replication, peer review etc is really important, but so is the visceral feeling one has after hearing what it felt like to be exposed to wonderment of the truly unknown.

This subject represents a truly "tricksterish" aspect of culture. I treasure any and all clues I have been graced with to further decipher the clues for all of us.

Yeah, it was an assumption. If I had a manuscript finished I imagine I'd want to publish it. So I hadn't considered that. But yeah, everything you said about his memory and ability to tell a story about something that happened decades ago is very similar to what I was thinking as I listened to his interview.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

...is it me or did it get really quiet ...














around here...

 

[Hoffmeister]

I'm not really sure what to say about this episode. The hosts did a very good job, but I couldn't understand what the guest was going on about half the time.
Did he say he was going to send in the video of the UFO's flying around?

 

[Angel of Ioren]

...is it me or did it get really quiet ...


around here...

Yes. And it will be until some decent evidence is posted. For now, I'm trying to be nice. Once we see some of this incredible footage, we'll talk. If he doesn't provide you with anything of value, then I'll tell you that you're being conned or that Mr. Stanford is delusional.
Unless you want me to bring up how all his talk of psychic powers is a load of BS - he should get tested and win the million dollars as I suggest of everyone that thinks he or she is psychic. It would definitely provide him with the funding he requires. Randi would probably give him another million for the scientific proof that UFOs are something special. He would be a hero among people that think the JREF is horrible. That won't happen though.

 

[Capnkumquat]

WOW! That was one long, fast, and unstoppable roller coaster ride. I think the guest would be better served by slooooowiiing dooown just a bit. I suppose he felt like he needed to get as much out there as possible or someone was going to take his microphone away, but seriously...Mr. Speedy Gonzales was a bit too much.

If he has anything to show us, I would love to see it. If not, I still gained the ability to listen to music while fast forwarding.

Thanks for the show.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

WOW! That was one long, fast, and unstoppable roller coaster ride. I think the guest would be better served by slooooowiiing dooown just a bit. I suppose he felt like he needed to get as much out there as possible or someone was going to take his microphone away, but seriously...Mr. Speedy Gonzales was a bit too much.

If he has anything to show us, I would love to see it. If not, I still gained the ability to listen to music while fast forwarding.

Thanks for the show.

Did you listen to the previous guest? Stanford was slow and calculated by Jarvis standards!

 

[trainedobserver]

but what may also be important about Ray (in a sociological context) is his uncanny ability to re-tell/relate the details of [a] experience that occurred 30-40-50 years ago and communicate to the listener the sense of what it was like. A couple of listeners have commented on this ability to relate the details of a series of seemingly inexplicable events to the listener.

Yes he does. Like I said yesterday, I think Ray should become one of the reoccurring guests on the show.

 

[Kieran]

Yes. And it will be until some decent evidence is posted. For now, I'm trying to be nice. Once we see some of this incredible footage, we'll talk. If he doesn't provide you with anything of value, then I'll tell you that you're being conned or that Mr. Stanford is delusional.
Unless you want me to bring up how all his talk of psychic powers is a load of BS - he should get tested and win the million dollars as I suggest of everyone that thinks he or she is psychic. It would definitely provide him with the funding he requires. Randi would probably give him another million for the scientific proof that UFOs are something special. He would be a hero among people that think the JREF is horrible. That won't happen though.

I would take up that challenge if 'Randi had some method to retrieve my past memories of unusual events!! and I don't mean Hypnosis something like i be wired up and my thoughts would be projected on screen and play like a film. In the future maybe?

I have seen coloured objects streaking across the Irish sky, which caused a phenomenon of were the sky began pulsating as these objects passed, and I saw, a number of black objects stationary 30,000 feet up in the sky, which I saw for five minutes, from an Airplane window on my journey back home from London.

I have become more Skeptical about Ufology, the cases, and the people involved. But I have had my own journey, I no there is weird objects in the sky that I can't identify, Yet I can't say, the objects were piloted by Alien beings. I can talk about what I have seen until I blue in the face, but most people will never believe me, but all I can do is tell the story, and let everyone decide for themselves do they believe me or not.

As for the Interview. It was interesting hearing Ray recount his memories of alleged encounters, He could be telling the truth. I have no idea really, but there is a difference when a person tells someone a story and he/her from the start says I have no evidence this, happened to me, that's fine. But Ray claims he has film that will prove his claims.

This sighting or sightings accorded in 1978 that's 32 years plus . I'm slightly weary of Ray claims due to the length of time it is taking him to release the material to the public.

Ps If I won the challenge I lose out on the million, after the conversion of the dollar to the Euro that Sucks!!

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

Yes. And it will be until some decent evidence is posted. .

And what do you call magnetometer and gravitational data, crap? You sound more bitter than usual--venomous actually. s-s-s--sss