Ray Stanford: White Sands July 19, 1978 Scientific Evidence

[Christopher O'Brien]

Are these your words? Do you understand what this means? Is this video available to be viewed?

Those were Ray's words; yes I understand what it means--I think he stated it clearly (the implications are scientifically mind-boggling) and for the last time, all of Ray's visual evidence prior to 2006 is on motion picture film NOT video. Please stop referring to Ray's videos--he has none. The film is available for peer-review; I have seen numerous numbered frames from this film and many others.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

From Ray:
"I will not answer questions of anyone who shows his total prejudice by saying "baffled with bull". That is NOT respectful. Had he asked respectfully, I would have answered every question.
There is NO technobabble in my slide. Its statements are straight-forward and should be understandable by anyone with even just a good class of high school physics. If he doesn't understand anything, there's Google, etc. I cannot spend my day entertaining the arrogant. His technological and scientific ignorance is what's making the noise. The slide was made, however, not for the many 'smart-offs' (who try to conceal their ignorance by nasty remarks like "baffled with bull") on the list, but for people who have at least an intellectually honest desire to learn and have a basic knowledge of physics."
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Like I said, the man deserves our respect. Or, at the very least you can be polite.

I'm sorry but that's an easy way of avoiding the questions. If someone was calling bull on something I was stating, I would be happy to explain myself with clear answers and evidence; I'm not Ray Stanford though.

Also, I have a College degree in commerce, with a background in science, and a Bachelors Degree in Art History, and a deep interest in physics and astronomy, and I had trouble with the language used. I'm also amazing at Trivial Pursuit.

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Those were Ray's words; yes I understand what it means--I think he stated it clearly (the implications are scientifically mind-boggling) and for the last time, all of Ray's visual evidence prior to 2006 is on motion picture film NOT video. Please stop referring to Ray's videos--he has none. The film is available for peer-review; I have seen numerous numbered frames from this film and many others.

Okay, then since I'm totally not getting it, please explain how the implications are scientifically mind boggling. I'm being totally serious here.

 

[stphrz]

Those were Ray's words; yes I understand what it means--I think he stated it clearly (the implications are scientifically mind-boggling) and for the last time, all of Ray's visual evidence prior to 2006 is on motion picture film NOT video. Please stop referring to Ray's videos--he has none. The film is available for peer-review; I have seen numerous numbered frames from this film and many others.

What does it mean then?

Motion picture film can be converted to a format viewable on a computer and posted. This is done all the time. So can still frames.

V:shy:V

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

Okay, then since I'm totally not getting it, please explain how the implications are scientifically mind boggling. I'm being totally serious here.

"In physics, the Faraday effect or Faraday rotation is a magneto-optical phenomenon, or an interaction between light and magnetic field in a medium. The rotation of the plane of polarization is proportional to the intensity of the component of the applied magnetic field in the direction of the beam of light"

I'm no physicist, but to my knowledge no one has ever captured unequivocal evidence of magnetic field strength around a UFO--Ray has managed to capture this effect many times, but two amazing film sequences he has obtained suggest that up to 40 sets of Faraday rings could have been present around one of these craft. This is evidence of an incredibly strong dipolar magnetic field. If this isn't groundbreaking, mind-boggling scientific data concerning UFOs, I don't know what to tell you... I seem to remember the Dr. James Harder wrote about Faraday rings and UFOs and how scientists would be able to ascertain a ballpark figure of magnetic field strength if they were captured on film. I can't look now, but I'll see if I can find his remarks and post them.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

"In physics, the Faraday effect or Faraday rotation is a magneto-optical phenomenon, or an interaction between light and magnetic field in a medium. The rotation of the plane of polarization is proportional to the intensity of the component of the applied magnetic field in the direction of the beam of light"

I'm no physicist, but to my knowledge no one has ever captured unequivocal evidence of magnetic field strength around a UFO--Ray has managed to capture this effect many times, but two amazing film sequences he has obtained suggest that up to 40 sets of Faraday rings could have been present around one of these craft. This is evidence of an incredibly strong dipolar magnetic field. If this isn't groundbreaking, mind-boggling scientific data concerning UFOs, I don't know what to tell you... I seem to remember the Dr. James Harder wrote about Faraday rings and UFOs and how scientists would be able to ascertain a ballpark figure of magnetic field strength if they were captured on film. I can't look now, but I'll see if I can find his remarks and post them.

Thanks Chris. Since you've mentioned that he's been able to reproduce this effect ( I think that was in the first post), it does make it interesting. I'm curious to hear what will come from this once it's reviewed by other physicists or what they think since he's had this for 30 years, so I'm hoping that in that time others have looked at it.

 

[stphrz]

Thanks Chris. Since you've mentioned that he's been able to reproduce this effect ( I think that was in the first post), it does make it interesting. I'm curious to hear what will come from this once it's reviewed by other physicists or what they think since he's had this for 30 years, so I'm hoping that in that time others have looked at it.

Such evidence would certainly be a slam dunk. Game. Set. Match. There should be consensus among the scientific community that UFOs are real. Why isn't there?

 

[Frank Stalter]

From Ray:
"I will not answer questions of anyone who shows his total prejudice by saying "baffled with bull". That is NOT respectful. Had he asked respectfully, I would have answered every question.
There is NO technobabble in my slide. Its statements are straight-forward and should be understandable by anyone with even just a good class of high school physics. If he doesn't understand anything, there's Google, etc. I cannot spend my day entertaining the arrogant. His technological and scientific ignorance is what's making the noise. The slide was made, however, not for the many 'smart-offs' (who try to conceal their ignorance by nasty remarks like "baffled with bull") on the list, but for people who have at least an intellectually honest desire to learn and have a basic knowledge of physics."
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Like I said, the man deserves our respect. Or, at the very least you can be polite.

You never hear Michio Kaku come off like that . . . .

"You have to understand physics to understand me."

What a load of BS.

 

[stphrz]

You never hear Michio Kaku come off like that . . . .

"You have to understand physics to understand me."

What a load of BS. Stanford is a fraud and an ass.

Quoting this to show what realprejudice looks like. I thought I was being confrontational not really rude. I was hoping for a response along the line of "stphrz, you are not being baffled with bull, here's why..." I was actually hoping to be made to eat my words and get taught something in the process. I guess Mr. Stanford is just too busy and too smart. Makes me wonder why he agreed to come on the show and talk to all of us ignorant rubes.

 

[Frank Stalter]

Quoting this to show what realprejudice looks like. I thought I was being confrontational not really rude. I was hoping for a response along the line of "stphrz, you are not being baffled with bull, here's why..." I was actually hoping to be made to eat my words and get taught something in the process. I guess Mr. Stanford is just too busy and too smart. Makes me wonder why he agreed to come on the show and talk to all of us ignorant rubes.

The shows are 2-3 hours long. It's not like there's a lack of time to do some basic explaining. There's a reference in the graphic on Page 1 to "MPD flow." I googled MPD flow and MPD stands for "managed pressure drilling." What does drilling have to do with UFOs in the context of this alleged incident?

An update. I believe that in the image's context that MPD stand for
Magnetoplasmadynamic

 

[stphrz]

The shows are 2-3 hours long. It's not like there's a lack of time to do some basic explaining. There's a reference in the graphic on Page 1 to "MPD flow." I googled MPD flow and MPD stands for "managed pressure drilling." What does drilling have to do with UFOs in the context of this alleged incident?

Hence my continued confusion.

I found this:Magnetoplasmadynamic thruster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This may be what he is actually talking about, because he was taliking about plasma flow, but then again I can't be sure. This is really very high level stuff, not high school science. Searching the internet about these terms will not be very helpful for someone without an extensive background in physics. Pair that with Mr. Stanfords unwillingness to explain things my suspicions are amplified.

BTW: If a know nothing like me can elicit such a firey response I can only imagine the kind of challenge a real scientist could give him.

 

[Frank Stalter]

Hence my continued confusion.

I found this:Magnetoplasmadynamic thruster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This may be what he is actually talking about, because he was taliking about plasma flow, but then again I can't be sure. This is really very high level stuff, not high school science. Searching the internet about these terms will not be very helpful for someone whithout an extensive background in physics. Pair that with Mr. Stanfords unwillingness to explain things my suspicions are amplified.

We found the exact same thing . . . . of course it's not our job to decrypt what he's saying. We aren't offering anything.

 

[Frank Stalter]

Neither is he.

Hahaha. Well, I will listen when the show runs. I did mess up earlier in that the MPD was explained in the text above. I was thinking the graphic was a self-contained piece and took Stanford's advice and started googling!

 

[stphrz]

Neither is he.

To be fair lance, his response to me did prompt me to look into things further. In doing so I learned a few things. I know more now than I did before but I didn't find anything that backs up his claims.

He told me to google, and google I did. He should have explained things himself because all that googling did was reinforce my "prejudiced views." He had a wonderful chance to clarify and educate not only me but many others who may have had similar questions. However, I was challenging and critical so no enlightenment for me. Or anyone else.

My questions hilighted my ignorance? No shit. That's why I asked.

But, I'm less ignorant now and I guess I have Mr. Stanford to thank for that.

 

[Frank Stalter]

To be fair lance, his response to me did prompt me to look into things further. In doing so I learned a few things. I know more now than I did before but I didn't find anything that backs up his claims.

He told me to google, and google I did. He should have explained things himself because all that googling did was reinforce my "prejudiced views." He had a wonderful chance to clarify and educate not only me but many others who may have had similar questions. However, I was challenging and critical so no enlightenment for me. Or anyone else.

My questions hilighted my ignorance? No shit. That's why I asked.

But, I'm less ignorant now and I guess I have Mr. Stanford to thank for that.

Hahaha. I love this quote in the text on Stanford's location for this incident.

the mobile UFO monitoring and recording laboratory and its three-person crew, were stopped on the north side of New Mexico Highway 380, which parallels the north edge of White Sands Proving Ground. The project's instruments were set up and operating at around 31 miles east of north-south Interstate Highway 25, and about 42 highway miles out of Socorro, New Mexico.

I checked out where this is and he was a couple miles either east or west of Bingham, NM. Why not just say we were on Hwy 380 just outside of Bingham, NM?

Hahahaha

 

[Arthur Dalvan]

Hahaha. I love this quote in the text on Stanford's location for this incident.



I checked out where this is and he was a couple miles either east or west of Bingham, NM. Why not just say we were on Hwy 380 just outside of Bingham, NM?

Hahahaha

You're being impertinent. It's clear you know nothing substantial about Ray Stanford's instrumented UFO monitoring work with which to try and put him down, so you grasp the straw of Bingham. It's reasonable to think that Stanford deliberately gave the location relative to landmarks by which many people could get a pretty good concept of where the July 19, 1978, encounter happened without having to actually look up the location.

It would be almost as presumptuous to expect most people to know where Bingham is, as expecting them to know the location of Burnt Mattress, Arkansas.

But if anyone's curious, Burnt Mattress is just down the road from Hot Springs.

Hahahaha

Arthur Dalvan

 

[Frank Stalter]

You're being impertinent. It's clear you know nothing substantial about Ray Stanford's instrumented UFO monitoring work with which to try and put him down, so you grasp the straw of Bingham. It's reasonable to think that Stanford deliberately gave the location relative to landmarks by which many people could get a pretty good concept of where the July 19, 1978, encounter happened without having to actually look up the location.

It would be almost as presumptuous to expect most people to know where Bingham is, as expecting them to know the location of Burnt Mattress, Arkansas.

But if anyone's curious, Burnt Mattress is just down the road from Hot Springs.

Hahahaha

Arthur Dalvan

OK

 

[dyingsun]

Can someone please enlighten me why Frank is banned ? Did he ban himself, requested it, or.. ?

 

[Gene Steinberg]

That's between my team and the member.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

Originally Posted by Frank Stalter

You never hear Michio Kaku come off like that . . . .
"You have to understand physics to understand me."
What a load of BS. Stanford is a fraud and an ass.

Quoting this to show what realprejudice looks like. I thought I was being confrontational not really rude. I was hoping for a response along the line of "stphrz, you are not being baffled with bull, here's why..." I was actually hoping to be made to eat my words and get taught something in the process. I guess Mr. Stanford is just too busy and too smart. Makes me wonder why he agreed to come on the show and talk to all of us ignorant rubes.

Angel asked why this paradigm shifting, "Slam dunk" evidence hasn't already shaken the scientific world after 32 years, it's pretty obvious...
It's the character assassination of a gifted man who has a visual acuity and observational awareness that is off the charts (see: dinosaur trace evidence work re: Smithsonian). Ray breaks the mold and re-defines what we know about reality in an impressive fashion in several scientific realms, and he has demonstrated that conventional scientific thinking is woefully inadequate. He would protest if he knew I said this, but (IMO) he is a classic trickster figure in culture. Go figure... Ray has impeccably documented his investigative process and IMO he is the most impressive, forward-thinking, seasoned expert we have in this proto-scientific field we grudgingly refer to as ufology. And then there is Ichnology, meterorites, psychic research etc etc
Enjoy the show...

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Christopher. On another note. I remember hearing you speak about some surveillance footage that you were going to view. I think it may have been of a small spirit like figure but I am not sure where it was. have you had a chance to view it yet?
Thanks-Phil