Remembrance day 2016

[Randall]

... Indeed, Smedley, indeed. War is a Racket and NOT to be supported or glamorized, and to take pride in the fallen, as people do with Memorial Day, is the WRONG way to go about it ...

It's so hard to get the message across in a way that isn't perceived as disrespectful. So let me try to cushion the above somewhat. There's nothing wrong with being proud of those who joined the armed forces for honorable ideals. It's that as a citizen who votes, I'm partly responsible for what my government does with them, and I take that very seriously. Those who believe they are fighting for my freedom and for my right to make statements like these, deserve our fullest support, the best equipment, and our respect; but most importantly, the lives of these brave and good people should never be wasted by a system that uses their ideals as a façade for less honorable intentions. So, please @Decker, understand that there is no ( zero ) disrespect aimed at you or the vets here. Quite the opposite.

 

[Cat Jockey]

It's so hard to get the message across in a way that isn't perceived as disrespectful. So let me try to cushion the above somewhat.

There's nothing wrong with being proud of those who joined the armed forces for honorable ideals.

I have sympathy and compassion for them for being so misled and unaware (as 99.9% of people are), but not pride. Being DUPED and used as cannon fodder is not a proud moment - it is a moment of sorrow.

And for those who had no choice and joined the armed forces out of force, coercion, and threat of imprisonment via the drafts that have occurred, Wilson's 4 Minute Men for WWI, etc.? Are you proud of those FORCED deaths, too? How about all of the innocent women and children that have died at the hands of militaries in EVERY war? All of the pain and suffering of the innocents, the children orphaned, etc. Proud of that? Proud of dropping nukes on children and old ladies in Japan? Proud of firebombing innocent women and children in Japan as they slept in their beds prior to that? Proud of the US firebombing innocent women in children in Dresden? Proud of them boys flying the plane that dropped those nukes on innocent women and children?

I ain't. I cringe at the horror unleashed.

The ones who had NO CHOICE but were FORCED into war by their government? Proud of that? Well, me personally, I see NOTHING to take pride in regarding young men, boys actually, being FORCED INTO MURDER and their own deaths by TPTB and the people Butler addresses for these wars ...

I get it, including how comments like this can piss people off, especially veterans, but the Military is a Machine for TPTB to benefit from, not for you and I to benefit from. Don't like me saying it? How about a Marine Major General named Smedley Butler saying it? You and I get nothing but death and destruction from war. People like the little German wench on the Throne in England PROFIT from these wars and all of these prideful boys and girls, umm, keeping me safe.

Want to be in the military and protect me? Fine. Go after those in D.C., New York, Rome, the City of London, the Throne of England, the International Banksters and the International Corporations. Go after them with your M-16's and bombs, and you will actually protect me. Otherwise you are nothing more than Private Stooge, protecting the interests of those who profit from war, which ain't the nice little old lady down the street from you on a Social Security pension ...

And back to WWII:

In September 1944, John T. Flynn, a co-founder of the non-interventionist America First Committee, launched Pearl Harbor revisionism when he published a forty-six page booklet entitled The Truth about Pearl Harbor.

Several writers, including journalist Robert Stinnett, retired U.S. Navy Rear Admiral Robert A Theobald, and Harry Elmer Barnes have argued various parties high in the U.S. and British governments knew of the attack in advance and may even have let it happen or encouraged it in order to force America into the European theatre of World War II via a Japanese–American war started at "the back door"

Get it? All of this crap is contrived and sold to the public in a steaming pile of BS ...

And so we have the WWII draft, where boys were FORCED into killing and dying by their government, with no choice. And for those that volunteered, well Pearl Harbor was PREVENTABLE, as well as the Nazi Blitz Krieg (Hitler, was a Puppet and would have done NOTHING had he not had outside funding and support to build that military machine, like from the US), and then the Korean War draft that forced more boys into murdering and being killed themselves, and the Viet Nam draft where boys had no choice but to turn themselves into murderers and some of them their own deaths, And then, of course, all of the problems that remain and affect society, like PTSD, etc., so I'm not sure where there is pride to be found in all of that. Only death, sorrow and grief ...

I won't even get into the Vatican ties with the Nazis, either ...

However, I am FULLY aware of all of those young men and women's intentions and beliefs that did volunteer and what they *think* they are doing and working towards. The intentions I do not criticize, and I do understand them and their 'noble and righteous intent'. However the fact is, an 18 year old boy is CLUELESS as to how the world actually works and is acting upon societal indoctrination and propaganda. Hell most 70 year olds are clueless about it all.

Again, I have sympathy and compassion for people that join the military, ESPECIALLY those who lost their lives. I also fully understand kid's (an eighteen year old is NOT an adult - they don't have any life experiences beyond High School, and most 18 year olds are dumbasses (myself included, lol)) motivations for enlisting. But NEVER will I feel pride for all of that CONTRIVED and UNNECESSARY blood and death that ONLY benefits TPTB and their control over us Profane ...

Do I say all of this to piss people off and offend? No. I could care less if people are, but that is not my intent. I am pointing out that the sentiments expressed by people concerning all of this FURTHER ENSLAVES THEM. None of this is okay, including the 'pride' nations take in the killing their children were forced into committing under FALSE PRETENSES. And before anyone gets 'offended' by me, I suggest a more intensive study of war and its real causes and motivations, versus the rah-rah crap we are sold about it the 'necessity' of it all. For a starting point, start with Napoleon and work your way forward ...

And this is my way of PAYING RESPECT to the fallen (whether you agree with my way or not) - to try to open people's eyes to how CONTRIVED & UNNECESSARY it all was so it does NOT continue as it has. So it STOPS. Want to avoid our boys and girls being killed in the Middle East as they are today? Fine. Go after the REAL CULPRITS guilty of 9/11 - Caucasians, not Arabs, based out of D.C., New York, England, Rome, and Israel ...

And for those that don't like me saying these wars, including WWII and the House of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha (they changed their name to Windsor after WWI due to anti-German sentiment in England in 1917) pissing contest known as WWI (Kaiser Wilhelm and King George V were cousins, with Queen Victoria (another German) being their grandma. Czar Nicholas of Russia was also another cousin, and could pass for an identical twin to King George V.) are unnecessary and contrived, well, time for you to do some open minded research into the issue ...

That's about all I have to say on the subject ...

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

That's your opinion not against free speech! that's why folks are remembered on Remembrance Day for those young Men, Women and Children of conflicts.

 

[Han]

I have sympathy and compassion for them for being so misled and unaware (as 99.9% of people are), but not pride.

I don't think that Remembrance day is about pride, there is nothing to be proud about, it is about remembering the dead, a sort of funeral service.

We could argue all day:
You say: Hiroshima. I say: Nanking
You say: Dresden. I say: Belsen
etc etc etc.....
We would probably agree on Russia, after all they sided with the nazis in the beginning (Poland).

It is impossible to say what would have happened if the axis had won, or if the war had not started in the first place, but from my point of view, I genuinely believe that the world would be even worse than it is now.

I suspect that we both think exactly the same thing about each other: that our sources are wrong, our trust is misplaced and the wool has been pulled over our eyes.
So I respectfully agree to disagree.

 

[mike]

I dont think the answer is static, For me it has changed over the years
As a young man, my response was "Best we forgot" not "Lest we forget"

But as i got older , perhaps yes more jaded more cynical the idea the worlds ills could be solved with peace love and mung beans faded.

Sometimes the choice isnt between good and evil, but between the greater and the lessor evil.

Sometimes the only currency with which we can purchase peace, is war.

Sometimes the wise move is to walk softly and carry a big stick.

Ive learned that getting a woman to want to stay with you is better achieved by planting flowers and creating a garden she will want to be in, than building walls and locking the gate to keep her in. But that gates and walls are a better defence against the burglars and home invaders than a hanging basket of marigolds.

 

[Han]

I dont think the answer is static, For me it has changed over the years
As a young man, my response was "Best we forgot" not "Lest we forget"

But as i got older , perhaps yes more jaded more cynical the idea the worlds ills could be solved with peace love and mung beans faded.

Sometimes the choice isnt between good and evil, but between the greater and the lessor evil.

Sometimes the only currency with which we can purchase peace, is war.

Sometimes the wise move is to walk softly and carry a big stick.

Ive learned that getting a woman to want to stay with you is better achieved by planting flowers and creating a garden she will want to be in, than building walls and locking the gate to keep her in. But that gates and walls are a better defence against the burglars and home invaders than a hanging basket of marigolds.

You made me think of this:

 

[mike]

Our local ones love the colour Blue, all the blue clothespegs go missing

bower birds collect blue - Bing images