No. You can make scientifically-accurate determinations of height, speed, size and altitude of an aerial object.
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Ryan Skinner - Skinwalker Ranch
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Pigsinzen
Skilled Investigator
Ryan I have a question. Have you brought along any equipment (other than video & audio gear) with you on your investigations at or around the ranch? I'm thinking along the lines of a geiger counter or scintillation detector? If so can you talk about the results? Thanks.
Ufocurious
Paranormal Maven
I really liked the show. I will get the book because I am really curious. I highly respect field researchers. Good job!
ryan
Paranormal Maven
no
EMF detectors just go off around the powerlines as expected. Honestly of all the gadgets and detectors I found a simple digital watch and a cell phone to be the best detector. There seems to be a time anomaly once you enter a "time bubble" while trekking around the ranch. Watches will stop, compasses will spin and point the wrong direction, and cell phones will suddenly show incorrect time or no time at all. Once you exit one of these bubbles, compasses, watches, and iphones all begin to work properly again. A had no interesting readings with a Geiger counter.
not even wrong
Skilled Investigator
I bought the book. Although I am trying to save it for a trip I am taking in a couple of weeks, my will power is pretty weak and I have peeked at it enough to read through about a quarter of it. I think it is a great read. Once you get in to the interviews/reports from investigators and former tenants out there, you realize that he is getting content from some pretty connected sources. It makes sense for him to want to keep the sources confidential, especially if he wants people to be comfortable in sharing with him in the future. Again I think this is a great book and I like the fact that it involves a phenomena that is happening right now.
Agreed not-even-wrong, I've been snatching reads at lunch and I am thoroughly enjoying it so far and I can also assure anyone thinking of getting it (3 bucks for gawds sakes!) that it is absolutely not a re-hash of 'Hunt for the Skinwalker' by Knapp and Kelleher. Not even a little bit. There is lots and lots of (to me) brand new information. I would say it is an absolute must for 'Ranch fans.
Good job Ryan Skinner, worth every cent and then some.
Good job Ryan Skinner, worth every cent and then some.
red_pill_junkie
Paranormal Adept
I just listened to the show & enjoyed it. Having Goggs & Shane offer excellent comments was a big plus 
The point about the Uinta basin showing such high concentrations of ozone was particularly interesting. I think that's something deserving to be looked at more thoroughly --if nothing else, for the sake of the local population's health.
I should also like to take the opportunity to point out something else: I watched all the episodes of Joe Rogan's SyFy series Joe Rogan's Questions Everything, which despite how promising it looked initially ended up being something of a mixed bag. I like Joe's podcast A LOT --thanks to him I started to listen to other fascinating podcasts which have helped me extend my horizons & offer me different perspectives about the subjects I was already very fond of, and others I didn't know I'd like-- but IMO the episode regarding UFOs, in which Ryan made an appearance, was the worst of the whole show.
Since then, Joe's favorite joke to poo-pooh UFOlogy is to bring up the story of the 'bullet-proof wolf' as he puts it. In his eyes Ryan is either a BS artist or an individual with deep psychological issues, and I feel that's incredibly biased and unfair of him; especially since Rogan is so open-minded when it comes to other controversial topics, like advanced ancient civilizations.
Personally, I feel that if Joe really wanted to explore the topic of UFOs, he should have approached someone like Leslie Kean, Rich Dolan, or better yet Dr. Richard Haines of NARCAP. And here's where the discussion in that other Paracast thread is relevant: Whether we like it or not, this phenomenon is INCREDIBLY complex & convoluted, and as you go deeper you encounter very challenging levels of high strangeness. You first need to make the case that YES, weird objects fly across the skies every once in a while & cannot be explained away with conventional theories, before plunging head-first into the depths of the rabbit hole.*
IMO Rogan approaching the subject of UFOs by going directly to the kind of WTF stuff Skinwalker Ranch represents was as ill-fated as if someone like me, a middle-aged overweight man who likes to jog 2 or 3 miles on the weekend, decided all of the sudden to sign up for the freaking NY marathon.
Either you go by it gradually, or you'll suffer the consequences of your recklessness.
(*): Then again, thinking that the key to the UFO phenomenon will be found by just studying CE2 cases seems to me naive in extremity. There are many other keys of the puzzle, and personally I feel Consciousness is one of the biggest ones.
The point about the Uinta basin showing such high concentrations of ozone was particularly interesting. I think that's something deserving to be looked at more thoroughly --if nothing else, for the sake of the local population's health.
I should also like to take the opportunity to point out something else: I watched all the episodes of Joe Rogan's SyFy series Joe Rogan's Questions Everything, which despite how promising it looked initially ended up being something of a mixed bag. I like Joe's podcast A LOT --thanks to him I started to listen to other fascinating podcasts which have helped me extend my horizons & offer me different perspectives about the subjects I was already very fond of, and others I didn't know I'd like-- but IMO the episode regarding UFOs, in which Ryan made an appearance, was the worst of the whole show.
Since then, Joe's favorite joke to poo-pooh UFOlogy is to bring up the story of the 'bullet-proof wolf' as he puts it. In his eyes Ryan is either a BS artist or an individual with deep psychological issues, and I feel that's incredibly biased and unfair of him; especially since Rogan is so open-minded when it comes to other controversial topics, like advanced ancient civilizations.
Personally, I feel that if Joe really wanted to explore the topic of UFOs, he should have approached someone like Leslie Kean, Rich Dolan, or better yet Dr. Richard Haines of NARCAP. And here's where the discussion in that other Paracast thread is relevant: Whether we like it or not, this phenomenon is INCREDIBLY complex & convoluted, and as you go deeper you encounter very challenging levels of high strangeness. You first need to make the case that YES, weird objects fly across the skies every once in a while & cannot be explained away with conventional theories, before plunging head-first into the depths of the rabbit hole.*
IMO Rogan approaching the subject of UFOs by going directly to the kind of WTF stuff Skinwalker Ranch represents was as ill-fated as if someone like me, a middle-aged overweight man who likes to jog 2 or 3 miles on the weekend, decided all of the sudden to sign up for the freaking NY marathon.
Either you go by it gradually, or you'll suffer the consequences of your recklessness.
(*): Then again, thinking that the key to the UFO phenomenon will be found by just studying CE2 cases seems to me naive in extremity. There are many other keys of the puzzle, and personally I feel Consciousness is one of the biggest ones.
ryan
Paranormal Maven
Joe was a jerk in person. The producer had to have their lawyers force him onto an airplane and fly him to Skinwalker because he said he was sick of doing the show and didn't want to be there. The whole show was not taken serious by him and he got into several heated arguments with the production team. I told him his jokes (about Skinwalker) weren't funny and that I take this subject very seriously. We went face to face in a screaming match (for reality tv I'm surprised that didn't make it on air). He actually kicked me off the set. I don't regret doing the show as I had a chance to spend an extra night out there investigating the ranch and also was given a rental 4x4 by the tv company and spent my time investigating Dark Canyon to the north of Skinwalker. Joe has issues, this wasn't the happy go lucky entertainer from Fear Factor that I remember from back in the day...
FWIW: I've attempted to contact Rogan (& his people) to discuss my book Stalking the Herd. No response. Oh well... perhaps they picked up on the fact that I'm also primed and pumped to address Rogan's obvious lack of ufological/paranormal education/knowledge... OK, I'm not a "Kean, Dolan or Haynes," so, what could I possibly add to the conversation? Snooze ya lose. Maybe if the Rogan-crew don't take notice or care about uncomfortable issues, they can stay all warm and cozy in this BS pop-culture derived world of mis & disinformation. Sadly, imo looking at their approach Rogan doesn't stand a chance of establishing any potential new insights into these subjects...
Charlie Prime
Paranormal Adept
Rogan did the same thing to the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu community in the 1990's that he did to the alternative research community in the 2000's.
He detected it was becoming popular, jumped in front of the parade by using his celebrity to get someone to give him a fake black belt, (a credential that is supposed to take 10 years to earn), then announced to his audience that he was an expert on the subject.
He detected it was becoming popular, jumped in front of the parade by using his celebrity to get someone to give him a fake black belt, (a credential that is supposed to take 10 years to earn), then announced to his audience that he was an expert on the subject.
Charlie Prime
Paranormal Adept
For reference:
Chuck Norris was already an accomplished fighter and martial arts instructor. He began training with the Machado Brothers in 1988 and was awarded his black belt by them in 1998 (10 years).
Celebrity Ed "Al Bundy" O'Neil began training under the Gracies 1991 and was awarded his black belt in 2007 (16 years).
Chuck Norris was already an accomplished fighter and martial arts instructor. He began training with the Machado Brothers in 1988 and was awarded his black belt by them in 1998 (10 years).
Celebrity Ed "Al Bundy" O'Neil began training under the Gracies 1991 and was awarded his black belt in 2007 (16 years).
red_pill_junkie
Paranormal Adept
Well, I don't know the guy & haven't talked to him --only to a couple of his friends, Chris Ryan & Daniele Bollelli-- but it seems that, as with most alpha males, there are no inbetween with Rogan: either you click with him & become his brother forever, or you hate his guts.
FWIW After the show ended Joe had a few prominent members of the skeptic community in his podcast, and I think that helped him see the other side is as filled with fundamentalists jerks who always want to be right, than the 'true believer' camp.
I also feel his interest in these topics is/was genuine, but I don't feel he didn't know what to do with the show. Was it going to be yet another reality series with him & his buddy Duncan running around with IR goggles yelling "what the hell was that?!". Were they going to play the roles of debunkers? It seems the series was ill-planned from the very beginning. That's what probably disillusioned him --wot, you go to these sites of UFO/Bigfoot activity & expect the phenomenon to make a show on demand? Puh'leeease...
I'm still planning to listen to his podcast, though. And yeah, having someone like Chris discuss cattle mutilations with him would be awesome --especially if he delivers the 'grizzly peepee' punchline
red_pill_junkie
Paranormal Adept
I Tweeted him about the reasons why he chose to pick the people that made it on the UFO show, and he said because "these were the 'experts'." I don't see how that approach could be productive; yes, expertise by proclamation is a malady in this or any other fringe field, but that's why you go with the people who have the best credentials and / or reputation in their community, and you also compare what their critics say of them. I wonder how much research was involved in the preparation of this episode. Probably not a lot.
Maybe if Joe had asked to his Twitter followers for suggestions, that could have opened up an interesting dialogue. But the dude has 1.28 million followers or so, and he's also busy with his comedian career.
Let's see if he's willing to go for a second season of JRQE...
Rogan was unworthy of the effort Ryan Skinner put in for his show. He was downright rude and just showed himself to be an ignorant glory-hunter. He could care less about the reality of anything other than his listener figures.
not even wrong
Skilled Investigator
Joe Rogan has had some follow-up podcasts about all of his shows including the UFO one. From what I gather, he wasn't pleased with the show and I don't think there will be a second season. At the end of the day, Joe is a comedian and the effort for the show was to have him spouting wisecracks and humoring the "experts" he was interviewing. You can make a drinking game out of how many times the witness/expert was talking and he was staring into the the camera with his "this is all bs" eyes. One night out there doesn't count as true investigating. I enjoy Joe's podcast from time to time but the extent of his research is what comes up on the front page of a google search.
DissectionStalker
Paranormal Adept
I was very disappointed during the interview that Ryan said he knew "nothing at all" about 3D image projection (2hr:17min mark). If he hasn't understood the (military and hollywood) HUMAN factor in all this... high tech image projection... then it's all been just fun and games campfire ghost story thrills.
This is PSYOPS pure and simple!!! Yeah, the Indian Mystique is nice for this mythology, and the desert night air is great under the stars. The locals can use the extra Skinwalker (tourist) money. The only cosmic portals you'll find is in your head and SG1. It's amazing to me you have not gotten your hands onto all kinds of laser detection equipment and are thoroughly versed in whatever you can learn about 3D image projection. There's The Truth!!! Time to do some real research and FOIA requests! Stay away from the Serpo ET-UFO disinformation idiots.
Frack those fracking spook PSYOPS jerks!!!
PLEASE, you do not want to end-up like Linda Moulton Howe. SHE's a PATSY FOOL.
This is PSYOPS pure and simple!!! Yeah, the Indian Mystique is nice for this mythology, and the desert night air is great under the stars. The locals can use the extra Skinwalker (tourist) money. The only cosmic portals you'll find is in your head and SG1. It's amazing to me you have not gotten your hands onto all kinds of laser detection equipment and are thoroughly versed in whatever you can learn about 3D image projection. There's The Truth!!! Time to do some real research and FOIA requests! Stay away from the Serpo ET-UFO disinformation idiots.
Frack those fracking spook PSYOPS jerks!!!
PLEASE, you do not want to end-up like Linda Moulton Howe. SHE's a PATSY FOOL.
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DissectionStalker
Paranormal Adept
Read Dulce Base The Truth and Evidence from the Case Files of Gabe Valdez
Get all the Gabe and Greg Valdez interviews online and listen to these. Factor in what happened to Bennewitz and the true picture will start to clear-up. Do you seriously believe the 3 skyward triangles you saw were NOT 3D projections??? Bennewitz learned how "to catch" top secret craft that was fully cloaked in 1979. It just amazes me people are so unbelievably clueless how we can be fooled. Don't you think the greatest magic show can be preformed at night, when the military has trillions of dollars in their budgets for decades now. Get real man. Go to Las Vegas and watch the magic shows.
How the PATSY scam works!!! They target and fool the people that do the publicity (authors/media) to act as their own disinformation agents at arms length! Duhhh. This is EXACTLY what happened to LMH. This is why you don't know anything about 3D image projection or detection.
Get all the Gabe and Greg Valdez interviews online and listen to these. Factor in what happened to Bennewitz and the true picture will start to clear-up. Do you seriously believe the 3 skyward triangles you saw were NOT 3D projections??? Bennewitz learned how "to catch" top secret craft that was fully cloaked in 1979. It just amazes me people are so unbelievably clueless how we can be fooled. Don't you think the greatest magic show can be preformed at night, when the military has trillions of dollars in their budgets for decades now. Get real man. Go to Las Vegas and watch the magic shows.
How the PATSY scam works!!! They target and fool the people that do the publicity (authors/media) to act as their own disinformation agents at arms length! Duhhh. This is EXACTLY what happened to LMH. This is why you don't know anything about 3D image projection or detection.
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ryan
Paranormal Maven
I never saw three skyward triangles. I'm not sure why this keeps being brought up. I did see 3 balls of light which each independently cast down a beam of light on me (and another researcher). Also if I am not familiar with current topics being discussed I will not pretend to be an expert on such topics (3d projection technology). This wasn't massive triangular ships being cast off of clouds. Also whatever is going on at the ranch has been recorded as far back as the late 1950's. Seems like a silly "military" project to still continue the same projection game testing at the same location for almost 60 years... Are the beings seen jumping from roof top to roof top a projection as the local police are in hot pursuit? Balls of light emitting beams of light from their own integrity also nothing more than a 3d projector tricking me? I am familiar with the Paul Bennewitz case and this is clearly an entirely different phenomena. Also unlike Bennewitz, rather than my "sources" feeding me space alien stories, they are about as confused by the trickster nature of the anomaly as I am.
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