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Spread of senseless violence

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In the current climate and world, a place where there are no longer "losers" because everyone is a winner, where things like ethics and civic duty are not taught, where honor has no meaning, in a world where it is all "Me, Me, and Me", where the media is caught up in the current goings on of worthless dregs like the Kardashians, and the big news stories are the Sterlings, are you surprised? This big machine called society is tearing itself apart and at this point the only thing most of us can do is to duck when the pieces and parts fly past our heads. Nope, not surprised at all ...

Decker
No argument there, Don. But what bugs me most is that for a certain percentage of people living in industrialized nations with greater physical security and less hardship than 99.9 percent of humanity has ever known, life seems so cheap that it is taken for--what? A kind of super-tantrum? Sport? Fifteen minutes of fame? I have to wonder if there isn't also something neurological going on. Are these maniacs the canaries in the coal mine?

Please don't misconstrue the intent of the TED X link posted below. Causes are not moral or ethical excuses for behavior. But I think the message here is worth pondering.

 
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. Are these maniacs the canaries in the coal mine?
Or just the product of a society with screwed up values? The answer may not be mono-causal.

Glad you put it that way as it is some thing I have been pondering for a while now.
Happy to see I am not the only one.
 
John B. Calhoun (May 11, 1917 – September 7, 1995) was an American ethologist and behavioral researcher noted for his studies of population density and its effects on behavior. He claimed that the bleak effects of overpopulation on rodents were a grim model for the future of the human race. During his studies, Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink" to describe aberrant behaviors in overcrowded population density situations


The 1968 Scientific American article came at a time at which overpopulation had become a subject of great public interest, and had a considerable cultural influence.[9] The study was directly referenced in some works of fiction,[9] and may have been an influence on many more.
Calhoun had phrased much of his work in anthropomorphic terms, in a way that made his ideas highly accessible to a lay audience.[6] Tom Wolfe wrote about the concept in his article "Oh Rotten Gotham! Sliding Down into the Behavioral Sink", later to be made into the last chapter of The Pump House Gang.[9] Lewis Mumford also referenced Calhoun's work in his The City in History,[10] stating that

No small part of this ugly barbarization has been due to sheer physical congestion: a diagnosis now partly confirmed with scientific experiments with rats – for when they are placed in equally congested quarters, they exhibit the same symptoms of stress, alienation, hostility, sexual perversion, parental incompetence, and rabid violence that we now find in the Megalopolis.[11]


The ethologist John B. Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink" to describe the collapse in behavior which resulted from overcrowding. Over a number of years, Calhoun conducted over-population experiments on rats[1] which culminated in 1962 with the publication of an article in the Scientific American of a study of behavior under conditions of overcrowding.[2] In it, Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink". Calhoun's work became used as an animal model of societal collapse, and his study has become a touchstone of urban sociology and psychology in general.[3]
In it, Calhoun described the behavior as follows:

Many [female rats] were unable to carry pregnancy to full term or to survive delivery of their litters if they did. An even greater number, after successfully giving birth, fell short in their maternal functions. Among the males the behavior disturbances ranged from sexual deviation to cannibalism and from frenetic overactivity to a pathological withdrawal from which individuals would emerge to eat, drink and move about only when other members of the community were asleep.

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
John B. Calhoun (May 11, 1917 – September 7, 1995) was an American ethologist and behavioral researcher noted for his studies of population density and its effects on behavior. He claimed that the bleak effects of overpopulation on rodents were a grim model for the future of the human race. During his studies, Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink" to describe aberrant behaviors in overcrowded population density situations


The 1968 Scientific American article came at a time at which overpopulation had become a subject of great public interest, and had a considerable cultural influence.[9] The study was directly referenced in some works of fiction,[9] and may have been an influence on many more.
Calhoun had phrased much of his work in anthropomorphic terms, in a way that made his ideas highly accessible to a lay audience.[6] Tom Wolfe wrote about the concept in his article "Oh Rotten Gotham! Sliding Down into the Behavioral Sink", later to be made into the last chapter of The Pump House Gang.[9] Lewis Mumford also referenced Calhoun's work in his The City in History,[10] stating that

No small part of this ugly barbarization has been due to sheer physical congestion: a diagnosis now partly confirmed with scientific experiments with rats – for when they are placed in equally congested quarters, they exhibit the same symptoms of stress, alienation, hostility, sexual perversion, parental incompetence, and rabid violence that we now find in the Megalopolis.[11]


The ethologist John B. Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink" to describe the collapse in behavior which resulted from overcrowding. Over a number of years, Calhoun conducted over-population experiments on rats[1] which culminated in 1962 with the publication of an article in the Scientific American of a study of behavior under conditions of overcrowding.[2] In it, Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink". Calhoun's work became used as an animal model of societal collapse, and his study has become a touchstone of urban sociology and psychology in general.[3]
In it, Calhoun described the behavior as follows:

Many [female rats] were unable to carry pregnancy to full term or to survive delivery of their litters if they did. An even greater number, after successfully giving birth, fell short in their maternal functions. Among the males the behavior disturbances ranged from sexual deviation to cannibalism and from frenetic overactivity to a pathological withdrawal from which individuals would emerge to eat, drink and move about only when other members of the community were asleep.

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yes yes good post.

I read about this study a little while ago and I think it hits very close to the mark.
 
Perhaps we should look into the amount of psychiatric drugs prescribed to kids today like Ritalin, Adderall or Concerta. We still don't know the long-term side effects these drugs have on the developing minds but it seems to me that more and more kids these days are being diagnosed with ADHD and are forced to take these drugs.

Any thoughts on this?
 
Surely the U.S. Food & Drug Administration would not allow the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services to pay pharmaceutical corporations hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars per year to keep citizens on these medicines if they were unsafe. Surely.
 
A comment on the nurturing side of the issue:

My wife has often taken the time to phone the parent of a totally disruptive student to inform them the kid just can't be made to behave in class. The answer is very often something like: Well good luck. I've never been able to do a thing with him/her either.

Not saying raising kids is easy or that all kids and parents fit into this category. But quite a few people with kids these days just don't seem to care how their offspring behave as long as it doesn't personally inconvenience them. Or maybe something is neurologically wrong with the child for starters. Dunno....

Hey--Now I'm really sounding like an old fart !
 
Let's look at this idea of "senseless violence" using AMC's popular series The Walking Dead as a cultural marker. A group of survivors re-invent a post zombie-ized world and are forced to engage in systematic casual (very graphic) violence against the dead to deal with the inevitable killing of the living. How many archetypical messages are being sent on how many levels and by whom? From gratuitous in-your-face gross, to sublime unconscious dilemma, this show is a perfect metaphor for what's emblematic of our cultural disfunction. TWD appears to be inuring the vast viewing audience into accepting destruction of the mindless masses for the sake of the unaffected (enlightened?) few. One only needs to research the 200+ wars that have occurred since "WWII" to build a model of where this period in history appears to be headed… The zombie dead are easy to casually slay, but are "we" being programmed to be numb to the killing of the living?
I sincerely hope not!
 
Chris,
Let's look at this idea of "senseless violence" using AMC's popular series The Walking Dead as a cultural marker. A group of survivors re-invent a post zombie-ized world and are forced to engage in systematic casual (very graphic) violence against the dead to deal with the inevitable killing of the living. How many archetypical messages are being sent on how many levels and by whom? From gratuitous in-your-face gross, to sublime unconscious dilemma, this show is a perfect metaphor for what's emblematic of our cultural disfunction. TWD appears to be inuring the vast viewing audience into accepting destruction of the mindless masses for the sake of the unaffected (enlightened?) few. One only needs to research the 200+ wars that have occurred since "WWII" to build a model of where this period in history appears to be headed… The zombie dead are easy to casually slay, but are "we" being programmed to be numb to the killing of the living? I sincerely hope not!

Chris, that's an astute observation. I often wonder if the constant onslaught of video with which today's kids are bombarded may have a way of objectifying others in such a manner that the line between media and reality becomes blurred.
 
...are "we" being programmed to be numb to the killing of the living?

I agree with this theory. Edward Bernays' essay The Engineering of Consent illustrates how this is done.

The Engineering of Consent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no doubt that a mainstream media campaign to desensitize people to violence it is being attempted. The problem with the theory is that the rates of overall violence in the world are going down. Fewer people are dying in wars. Fewer murders are occurring. There is less child abuse and rape than there used to be.

Take personal combat for example. For 25 years I professionally taught people how to fight. It is uncommon to find guys our age who have never been in a real fist fight. For our generation it was only 20% of guys. Today it's more like 80%. That's a good thing.
 
The thing is guys, much of the media programming...including such shows as the walking dead and video games with even more gratuitous violence does make its way to other overseas markets and yet...and this point may be subjective...you don't hear as much senseless acts happening in these countries as you do hear in the good ole' US of A.

Could it be because there are other somewhat more inconvenient reasons why this is the case ? While I am not about to hijack this thread into yet another stricter gun law thread (as my feelings are mixed) this point does give ammo ;) to those that do advocate this. Obviously there is an over abundance of disenfranchised people out there, and the readily availability of guns...illicitly and otherwise... arguably ups the ante and may enable what would be just another manifesto spouting malcontent into a real social threat.

I do realize that in this incident and the recent incident in Isla Vista that there were other weapons used and those that are not in favor of stricter gun laws are rightly quick to this point out and I don't think they're will be a rush to ban knives anytime soon, or pencils because they can be used as weapons as well. Maybe we do need Flouride in our drinking water, maybe we deserve it.

At times I think I may realize what it must have been like to be a Roman citizen in the latter days of Rome as their once glorious republic crumbled into a decrepit decaying society. The iPhone, The Walking Dead and Halo are our bread and circuses
 
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The thing is guys, much of the media programming...including such shows as the walking dead and video games with even more gratuitous violence does make its way to other overseas markets and yet...and this point may be subjective...you don't hear as much senseless acts happening in these countries as you do hear in the good ole' US of A.

Could it be because there are other somewhat more inconvenient reasons why this is the case ? While I am not about to hijack this thread into yet another stricter gun law thread (as my feelings are mixed) this point does give ammo ;) to those that do advocate this. Obviously there is an over abundance of disenfranchised people out there, and the readily availability of guns...illicitly and otherwise... arguably ups the ante and may enable what would be just another manifesto spouting malcontent into a real social threat.

I do realize that in this incident and the recent incident in Isla Vista that there were other weapons used and those that are not in favor of stricter gun laws are rightly quick to this point out and I don't think they're will be a rush to ban knives anytime soon, or pencils because they can be used as weapons as well. Maybe we do need Flouride in our drinking water, maybe we deserve it.

At times I think I may realize what it must have been like to be a Roman citizen in the latter days of Rome as their once glorious republic crumbled into a decrepit decaying society. The iPhone, The Walking Dead and Halo are our bread and circuses

I have posted this before but where I live we have sort of strict gun laws (can not open carry etc), but we do own them .. but the thing is here you could fly in a 100 C47's loaded to the wing tips with guns to the South Island of New Zealand and the gun violence would not really change all that much here.. Why? I am not sure but I think it is a cultural thing.

My only concern with gun control being pushed on US citizens right now is due to the draconian and covert moves by your government against its own people.. honestly I don't think gun control is in your best interests right now.
 
I am not sure but I think it is a cultural thing.

It has definitely become a cultural thing. The U.S has been more violent than western Europe and most of its offspring (factoring out major wars) for many decades. But not this violent. We would simply leave our doors unlocked at home as a kid--often even when we were away and never a concern. Now we check the deadbolts twice just to be sure.
 
It has definitely become a cultural thing. The U.S has been more violent than western Europe and most of its offspring (factoring out major wars) for many decades. But not this violent. We would simply leave our doors unlocked at home as a kid--often even when we were away and never a concern. Now we check the deadbolts twice just to be sure.

And meanwhile

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The world is going crazy
 

In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

 
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