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The alleged government UFO conspiracy and Wikileaks

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Sean Elifritz

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Random thought of the day: With an organization like Wikileaks throwing its finger up in the air at governments and intelligence agencies around the world with regularity (90,000 documents involving the war in Afghanistan most recently.) I fail to see why if there is some massive UFO conspiracy that they aren't receiving anything about that. Intelligence agencies have been unable to learn the sources of leaks at Wikileaks because Wikileaks has things set up in a way so that even they do not know who the sources are. All the time that site is receiving sensitive documents from sources risking imprisonment from doing so. Yet they seem to get nothing about what is supposedly the biggest conspiracy of all, the Cosmic Watergate. It seems to me that if this alleged global UFO conspiracy actually exists whistleblowers attracted by the anonymity and popularity of Wikileaks would be sending them something about it. Yeah, yeah, I know how the argument goes, "They're too afraid to spill anything." Well, the other documents Wikileaks receives are illegal to leak as well but it happens over and over and over again.
 
Maybe it's time a disinformation campaign pumped some MJ-12 style documents through wikileaks? I think Assange has contacts who seek to verify the authenticity of leaks before they release them. The absence of leaks is interesting and Wikleaks is open to all nations, not just English speaking Western nations.

Perhaps there really is no UFO cover-up in the way we are led to believe? The deals, the aliens, the multiple crashes etc. Maybe it's all BS, psyops and disinformation?

Maybe the people in power are still no more informed about UFOs and flying saucers than they were back in '47. I don't know, but I'm losing IQ points for every new year I try to work it out. :D
 
Wickerman1972 said:
Random thought of the day: With an organization like Wikileaks throwing its finger up in the air at governments and intelligence agencies around the world with regularity (90,000 documents involving the war in Afghanistan most recently.) I fail to see why if there is some massive UFO conspiracy that they aren't receiving anything about that. Intelligence agencies have been unable to learn the sources of leaks at Wikileaks because Wikileaks has things set up in a way so that even they do not know who the sources are. All the time that site is receiving sensitive documents from sources risking imprisonment from doing so. Yet they seem to get nothing about what is supposedly the biggest conspiracy of all, the Cosmic Watergate. It seems to me that if this alleged global UFO conspiracy actually exists whistleblowers attracted by the anonymity and popularity of Wikileaks would be sending them something about it. Yeah, yeah, I know, "They're too afraid to spill anything." Well, the other documents Wikileaks receives are illegal to leak as well but it happens over and over and over again.
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Could be the ET secret is buried so deep that the open, elected government and all the attendant bureaucracies are not even party to it - so there is little documantation. See chapter 6 of Jesse Marcel Jr's excellent book, plus other sources.

The original 1973 "Wicker Man" movie is one of my all-time faves. Is your online name a reference to this, or something else?
 
[EQUOT=ArchieBedford The original 1973 "Wicker Man" movie is one of my all-time faves. Is your online name a reference to this, or something else?[/QUOTE]


Britt Ekland (if memory serves) does some kind of dance that you only see from behind. She refused to do a full frontal nude shot (Class Ms. Lohan and others you could learn alot) She was absolutely beautiful and sexy.

As for the "Cosmic Watergate" I don't think it's real. But, then again I don't think we are being visited by "people from outer space." Ya never know but I'd have to see it to believe it.
 
Let's keep in mind the highest known classification on the 90k documents was "secret". Eight-year old kids and dogs can get secret clearance. My guess is that real UFO documents (if there are any) would be a little higher up the secrecy chain.
 
Wikileak will also be a perfect avenue to lauch hoaxes... It won't help us much. Except give new materials for all kind of conspiracies, including the "Cosmic Watergate". What you do think ? Can it be useful to ufology ?
 
CapnG said:
Let's keep in mind the highest known classification on the 90k documents was "secret". Eight-year old kids and dogs can get secret clearance. My guess is that real UFO documents (if there are any) would be a little higher up the secrecy chain.
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Thanks CapnG I did not know that about the leaks. Top Secrets can go exotically high. During my TS work pertaining to the KH11 spy sats, I occassionally saw Ufo mentions. Nothing sensational, just mundane tracking stuff. I was in access to something called SPECAT Top Secret, which means Special Category. Rich Dolan talks about 'the Special Access Programs' re. Ufos. My debriefing statement says that violation of security agreement penalties, range up to life imprisonment and the death penalty. My FOIA FBI files say that I had access to "Extremely Sensitive Information" (ESI).
I have felt free to tell about specat because it's on the world-wide-web search engines. (And NOT via Mua!!!)
I was stationed at Nellis AFB in Nevada, home of the legendary Area 51 and S4 lore.
 
saucerwench said:
Thanks CapnG I did not know that about the leaks. Top Secrets can go exotically high. During my TS work pertaining to the KH11 spy sats, I occassionally saw Ufo mentions. Nothing sensational, just mundane tracking stuff. I was in access to something called SPECAT Top Secret, which means Special Category. Rich Dolan talks about 'the Special Access Programs' re. Ufos. My debriefing statement says that violation of security agreement penalties, range up to life imprisonment and the death penalty. My FOIA FBI files say that I had access to "Extremely Sensitive Information" (ESI).
I have felt free to tell about specat because it's on the world-wide-web search engines. (And NOT via Mua!!!)
I was stationed at Nellis AFB in Nevada, home of the legendary Area 51 and S4 lore.
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The problem is that he alludes to only the 90,000 documents that were leaked on Wikileaks just recently. I don't know if all of those were classified lower than top secret or not but the point is there are many, many more available there. There have been well over a million sensitive documents leaked at Wikileaks. The people running that site have got to be a pretty radical bunch or they wouldn't be doing what they have done thus far. I don't believe for a minute that they would sit on important UFO documents if they were to receive them. That they've had nothing UFO-related to leak in the several years they've been operational speaks volumes to me.
 
Wikileaks has been proven to be working "for" intelligence organisations,it buys and sells information to governments and organisations , i wouldn't be suprised if wikileaks was handed the afgan documents in an attempt to get United Nations intervention into afganistan and have NATO forces removed alot quicker.
 
The UFO secrets are simply to deep to be leaked. Information on UFO's has been leaked for years but it your looking for a "smoking gun" to be leaked to Wikileaks, well you might as well be waiting for hell to freeze over because that's just not going to happen.
 
hemi said:
The UFO secrets are simply to deep to be leaked. Information on UFO's has been leaked for years but it your looking for a "smoking gun" to be leaked to Wikileaks, well you might as well be waiting for hell to freeze over because that's just not going to happen.
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Why not? Manning might face the death penalty for the documents he leaked. He knew the risk ahead of time but did it anyway. I fail to see how those in the know about some government UFO conspiracy could be risking more.
 
If there were any credible so-called 'whistleblowers' (I think project camelot ruined it, if there were any at all), it would be the time. Seeing nothing coming, it seems we are left with the guys that manned the 'minute-man' stations, and in those I believe a whole lot. I wouldn't want to 'care' for a 'nuke' of that size.

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I just tortured myself to see what's up at 'Camelot'...'Aaron Mccollum - Project Seagate II - Dolphin-Human Hybrids '
 
Wickerman1972 said:
Why not? Manning might face the death penalty for the documents he leaked. He knew the risk ahead of time but did it anyway. I fail to see how those in the know about some government UFO conspiracy could be risking more.
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Very few people are willing to risk there lives and there family's live (because that's what most people are threatened with if they are in the "know" about UFO's). Your not failing to see the risk your failing to see the human element. I have know doubt that there are people out there that know whats going on and within that group there are people that want to come out with it but when you are threatened with violence against your family, your children, your wife/ husband and you feel that that threat is very real you tend to keep your mouth shut.
 
hemi said:
Very few people are willing to risk there lives and there family's live (because that's what most people are threatened with if they are in the "know" about UFO's). Your not failing to see the risk your failing to see the human element. I have know doubt that there are people out there that know whats going on and within that group there are people that want to come out with it but when you are threatened with violence against your family, your children, your wife/ husband and you feel that that threat is very real you tend to keep your mouth shut.
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But the point is other people ARE taking that risk. Manning very well might be put to death for leaking those documents about the war in Afghanistan. And he's not the only one. Over a million sensitive documents about all sorts of things have been leaked at Wikileaks. If there are people willing to risk their lives to leak these other things than why don't we see similar leaks regarding UFOs if there really is some vast conspiracy going on? Perhaps the reason is because there is no sweeping cover-up, or crashed saucers, or alien bodies on ice, or any of the rest of it. Maybe the biggest thing the governments of the world are guilty of in relation to UFOs is indifference and incompetence.
 
Wickerman1972 said:
But the point is other people ARE taking that risk. Manning very well might be put to death for leaking those documents about the war in Afghanistan. And he's not the only one. Over a million sensitive documents about all sorts of things have been leaked at Wikileaks. If there are people willing to risk their lives to leak these other things than why don't we see similar leaks regarding UFOs if there really is some vast conspiracy going on? Perhaps the reason is because there is no sweeping cover-up, or crashed saucers, or alien bodies on ice, or any of the rest of it. Maybe the biggest thing the governments of the world are guilty of in relation to UFOs is indifference and incompetence.
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We may have to respectfully disagree on this one. Leaking Documents about a war that I'm not allowed to talk about (since I'm in the military so there for I must not have an opinion) is very different than leaking documents that would literally change the world. Religions around the world would fall apart, the stock market would tank, people, not everyone one, would be hysterical. Most of what you are seeing on Wikileaks pale in comparison to what UFO doctrine would do. You may be thinking that this vast conspiracy involves a large numbers of people but I would think that there are a few people pulling the strings and it gets filtered down to where the information needs to go. There is documents already out that prove without a shadow of a doubt that people within our government and other government for that matter know about UFO's and know whats really going on. Not to mention the hundreds of ex military and contractors for the government that have come forth with information. People have died over that information also so this notion that someone may die for leaking information is not new by any means. To some people it just may be easier to say nothings going on, our government doesn't lie, and those of us who have found the evidence to the contrary either made it up or someone else made it up and we are just fools. There is just to much evidence to suggest (not only suggest but prove) that our government knows the truth about UFO's and for the most part thoughs of us that have done the research have come to except "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink."
 
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