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The Day After Disclosure: What Next???

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If only ther were a disclosure simulation program somewhere that could predict the outcome.

One thing is for sure some segment of the human race will find a way of making money and controlling others with the information.

Michael L
Some of us in the UFO field have been beaten down too many times and may appaer negative. I think most of us want REAL answers to this most bizarre phenomona !( I've been listening David )
 
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CapnG said:
Science can at least tolerate being wrong, however much it may resist. Religions never do.


That is a ridiculous, prejudiced and grammatically incorrect statement.
 
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Michael L. said:
That is a ridiculous, prejudiced and grammatically incorrect statement.

I can't vouch for the grammar (I try but nobody's perfect) however it is by no means either ridiculous or prejudiced. I have 10,000 years of human history to back it up.
 
Then why is it that so many Christians no longer regard the Bible as a literal document? How is it that religions (such as Islam, Hinduism and more) are surviving for centuries, even with the advent of science? There are many religious leaders that have said that there very well may be other intelligent life in the universe.

Religion is based on belief and faith; this makes it much more reactive and flexible than many people will admit... of course, this is also what can make it so dangerous. Given the wide variety of religious belief, any broadly painted strokes and statements about religion as if it is some unified force are not particularly helpful in most discussions. Look at the divisions that were highlighted in the Catholic faith just last week as the Pope visited New York!
 
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Michael L. said:
Then why is it that so many Christians no longer regard the Bible as a literal document?
A better question would be why are there still so many who believe it IS a literal document?

Michael L. said:
How is it that religions (such as Islam, Hinduism and more) are surviving for centuries, even with the advent of science?

First off "are survivng"? And you criticize my grammar...

Anyway, all religions tollerate science when it conforms to their dogma and resist it when it conflicts. History contains enough beheadings and burnts bodies to support that supposition as fact.

Michael L. said:
Given the wide variety of religious belief, any broadly painted strokes and statements about religion as if it is some unified force are not particularly helpful in most discussions.

That is certainly true but by-and-large we're talking about religious fundamentalists in the context of disclosure. Oddly, regardless of their individual points of conflict I can virtually guarantee that all the fundamentalist religious sects will be united by their rejection of whatever disclosure ultimately means.
 
Religions are surviving over centuries... that is correct. "Surviving" does not, in itself, indicate a current condition as "are" does. After all, you can say that "After the Titanic sank, surviving passengers found themselves in frigid waters" which is correct and does not mean that the passengers are still alive.

Fundamentalists exist, sure, but they are hardly the majority. How many people are not out and about on the Sabbath? If you are looking at how societies will react, you need to look at majorities. I mean, there are still people who think we did not go to the moon... should we be concerned with their reaction as well? Discussing why so many people do believe the Bible is literal would be an interesting pursuit, but has little bearing on this topic. There are religions beside Christianity; most people of faith, I would imagine based on off the top of my head calculations, are not Christian.

You can state that there are enough beheadings and burnt bodies to support your supposition as fact... How so exactly? Perhaps in the past, but now? There are plenty of churches, synagogues and various other temples where I live but I haven't heard of any beheadings lately and all the burnt bodies seem to be in exploding meth labs. If you are going to judge religion by the way it acted 500 years ago, best view science with the same lens. I also would suggest that you may want to investigate how much of the violence you attribute to religion was political in origin with religion used as a support. Science has its problems with that as well... such as the scientific support for the inferiority of other ethnic groups. By and large, science has progressed past that point, true, but so has religion.

All I am suggesting is that perhaps religion is not so rigid as many would have us believe and that, in fact, many assumptions as to the human reaction to the extraterrestrial are worth re-examining.
 
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Raevenskye said:
I'm going to Disneyland! hehe

I think prob there'd be a certain amount of hysteria..suicides...chaos from those who just CAN'T grasp it, and there would be those on the other side: embracing our galactic bretheren, ready to become children of light. As long as we weren't being roasted alive or herded into cattle trucks, things would eventually settle into business as usual.

"Children of light." I think there's an incense sold at Kmart that already has that name. It's right between "making love" and "cosmic oneness."
 
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blindethos said:
Disclosure of what? Flares, balloons and easily spooked truckers in Arizona?

Why don't you take the faux logic and reason to some other discussion board. Generally, you'll find that there are some people here who actually have researched the subject of UFOs.

Do your homework, man. It's obvious to those who have done even a minimal amount of research into the hardcore UFO cases that you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. This is obvious not only from this post but from a number of your posts throughout the board, vis a vis, "well, he kinda has a point," in reference to your post on the Steven Hawking thread.

Have you even heard of the RB-47 case? Have you read about the Malstrom AFB incident? There is a small percentage, perhaps 5 to 10%, of UFO cases for which there is no plausible, conventional explanation. If you weren't an ignorant twit about UFOs, you'd know this.

It's your ignorance and your arrogance that disgusts me.
 
There will never be disclosure, because there's nothing to disclose. Until someone tapes a craft landing in broad daylight, this whole subject is hot air, cgi, misidentifications and hoaxes. It's a waste of time and leads no where. There is not a shred of evidence that there's anything to it.
 
The RB-47 case? There's not one photograph, not one frame of video, not one sound recording, not one taped witness interview... Just a cold war disinfo story. No evidence but a bunch of internet threads. Show me one close, clear, daylight piece of video that lasts over 30 seconds. Just one.
 
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Michael L. said:
Religions are surviving over centuries... that is correct. "Surviving" does not, in itself, indicate a current condition as "are" does. After all, you can say that "After the Titanic sank, surviving passengers found themselves in frigid waters" which is correct and does not mean that the passengers are still alive.

My issue is not with the verb tense but rather the syntax. For what you were saying it strikes me that either "Religions have survived" or "Religions continue to survive" would have been the correct phrasing.

Michael L. said:
There are religions beside Christianity; most people of faith, I would imagine based on off the top of my head calculations, are not Christian.

That really depends on your definition of "most". 1.6 billion humans claim to be Christian, Islam comes in a close second at roughly 1 billion even.

Michael L. said:
You can state that there are enough beheadings and burnt bodies to support your supposition as fact... How so exactly? Perhaps in the past, but now?

Yes, now. Or did you sleep through those beheadings in Iraq? Obviously it's not the crusades, the inquisition or the jihads of the 16th (17th?) century but to claim it no longer happens is nonsense. I read a news atricle about a month ago about a fundamentalist evangelical family who let their daughter die of a simple, easily treated infection because they didn't want to deal with the medical community and relied purely on prayer to save her. Then blamed themselves for her death because thier faith "wasn't strong enough". So don't for one second think the days of the religious zealot are behind us.

And so what if it is only a "few people"? It only ever takes a few people to start a mob.
 
A) Syntax is correct. Religions are surviving over centuries even with the advent of science. It is very clipped but I have been doing a great deal of technical writing lately. Those who want manuals like sentences like that!
B) Christianity may be the largest religion in the world, but most people of faith are not Christian. By most, I mean most... the majority. I think that when you add Hindu and Islamic adherents together you outnumber Christianity. Of course, there are other religions to consider as well.
C) The beheadings in Iraq are a perfect example of what I was saying. Are they religious or political? I realize that they are often justified with religion or connected somehow to religious leaders. However, ultimately, the impetus for these actions are political. Religion can be perverted to support many things, but science has also been used to support imperialism, slavery, genocide... look into World War II.

Let's say the aliens land tomorrow. Some people will react poorly due to their particular religious beliefs, I have no doubt. Some people will do the same without any particular religious beliefs. Even if Christianity as a whole were to crumble under the weight of the new knowledge of aliens, you cannot blindly assume it will affect Buddhism, Hinduism or other faiths the same way. I am not sure we can assume that Eastern and Western Europe will react in the same way, much less North and South America or Asia and Europe.
 
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blindethos said:
Er, there won't be any disclosure because UFO's are just airplanes, black project aircraft, wedding candles and lens flares.

Do you think anyone's mind will change by repeating this sort of thing?
 
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blindethos said:
Er, there won't be any disclosure because UFO's are just airplanes, black project aircraft, wedding candles and lens flares.

Translation: I've never seen one, so I'll just make assumptions.
 
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