The George Knapp Show!

[Decker]

Ladies and gentlemen, as always some extremely interesting responses about the Knapp show and of course Lazar. I just made some notes from the questions posed here and wrote George asking him for responses. I don't know how busy he is or when or even if he will get back in touch but I will let you know anything I hear.

Decker

 

[Gareth]

Ladies and gentlemen, as always some extremely interesting responses about the Knapp show and of course Lazar. I just made some notes from the questions posed here and wrote George asking him for responses. I don't know how busy he is or when or even if he will get back in touch but I will let you know anything I hear.

Decker

Great!

As always, I would be interested in hearing a friendly debate with Knapp for the affirmative and Friedman for the negative, as an episode of the Paracast.

Wouldn't achieve anything - and certainly wouldn't be necessary to be a heated argument - but I think it would be very illuminating

 

[atomic_annie]

Just found this information from an article written by Norio Hayakawa entitled "The Strange Behavior of Bob Lazar".

Below is a quote from that article about Lazar's paycheck. He's saying that the Soc. Security number on that check belonged to a female in New York.

Source: Norio Hayakawa's Thoughts: The strange behavior of Bob Lazar (alleged former Area 51 "scientist")

As the years went by, I also began to have some questions regarding Bob Lazar. A few years later, I did see a copy of Bob Lazar's paycheck. It wasn't much. Something like about $987.00. Then I found out that Bob Lazar's Social Security Number did not belong to Bob Lazar but to a lady in New York. Also, I began to have doubts on Bob Lazar for his not keeping the promise that he would fly to Japan in early March of 1990 to appear live on the 2-hour Japanese TV program on Area 51. I was waiting for his flight from Vegas to Los Angeles where I was to meet him. He never showed up. Later on, the producer of the TV program said that he got an urgent call from Bob that Bob was not allowed to go to Japan to appear on that program. This was a total disappointment.

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"The truth is best protected by a body of lies" ~ Winston Churchill

 

[Unky]

I just found out a couple of interesting facts about this W-2. It lists Lazar's address as 1029 James Lovell St., Las Vegas, NV 89128. So I called it up on Google Earth and found the house. Only problem is its zip code is 89145, not 89128.

Well, that was 20 years ago. Could the zip code have been changed or merged? Doesn't look like it. The 89128 zip code is also alive and well, and several miles from the first location in a different area of town.

Here's a link to let you easily see how far apart those two zips are. Type in both zips and zoom out so you can see them both at once. http://www.usnaviguide.com/zip.htm.

FURTHER edit. I have found some evidence of a zip code split in Las Vegas that may account for this discrepancy, but the split seems to have gone in the opposite direction. Checking...

Interesting work here. You spurned my curiosity a bit because I know this part of the city pretty well so I cross-referenced the zip codes again using google mapping and the results I got were a bit different. According to Google maps: James Lovall St. is currently part of 89145 suffixed at 6024. This places that street within the major cross block of Charleston and Buffalo.

Google maps places the 89128 zip code centrally at around Turtle Cove Ave. Major cross streets being Buffalo and Lake Mead. That is only three standard city blocks away from where James Lovall street is.

Now I realize using internet mapping tools is very superficial. Vegas is constantly under road and residential development (more-so than most major cities) and things like zip codes and area code prefixes change quite often. What we really need is a map showing us the zip code movements here in Las Vegas since 1988.

After doing the exercise I described above, it looks 89145 and 89128 currently border each other. I'm gonna dig a little further on this. Let me know what you find and we'll get this sorted out.

 

[Schuyler]

After doing the exercise I described above, it looks 89145 and 89128 currently border each other. I'm gonna dig a little further on this. Let me know what you find and we'll get this sorted out.

This link also shows them bordering: http://www.act4u.com/zip/ZipCodes.html which means that map software was wrong. If they border each other that is serious evidence that they were once together. Thanks. Local knowledge is best!

 

[Decker]

Ladies and gentlemen, as always some extremely interesting responses about the Knapp show and of course Lazar. I just made some notes from the questions posed here and wrote George asking him for responses. I don't know how busy he is or when or even if he will get back in touch but I will let you know anything I hear.

Decker

Just to let you know that I've not forgotten, today (as I write this) it is August 18 and still no response from George.

Decker

 

[Decker]

For all those interested in George Knapp's answers to questions raised here after you listened to the show I did with him, I wrote him and included the questions then waited for about 2 weeks for an answer. I didn't hear back. I resent him the first note and again asked George to respond. Still no answer.

This morning (Aug. 31) while checking my Yahoo email I saw a note from George responding to a group (Thule Foundation) that is on Victor Martinez's email list. These people had taken a number of (inaccurate) shots at the Bob Lazar story. This is what Knapp had to say to them regarding Lazar and his polygraph exams.
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My entry into this conversation was prompted by the written statement
from Thule Foundation that Bob Lazar had taken and failed three
polygraph tests. I wrote to say, in a sly way, that this was wrong. It
is still wrong, as your own email attests. As mentioned, I paid for the
tests, I was present for the tests, and even in your recitation of the
text of my report, you are not being accurate.

You can parse it any way you would like but there were two polygraph
sessions. On two different evenings, we met with polygraph examiners.
There were two separate sessions, two examiners total. I would call that
two tests, though in both cases, the examiners broke up the tests into
smaller sections.

The first guy Ron Slay took little time in preparing Lazar for the test.
They had a brief conversation then jumped right into it. He ran the same
questions twice so he could compare the results. You are welcome to call
this two tests if you would like, though I consider it to be one
polygraph exam, especially since, in the end, there was one conclusion
given by the examiner. He remarked that Lazar was so nervous, in part
because there had been threats from his former employers, that it was
tough to get an accurate read. Was it nervousness from the threats or
was it from attempts to deceive. The examiner said he could not be
certain. That's why he said it "could be deceitful" on one set of the
questions, though he said lazar appeared truthful on the other. It was
his opinion that the net result was inconclusive...NOT a failure of the
test as you first wrote in this exchange. Ron Slay recommended another
exam, something more in depth, which is what we did.

The second examiner, Terry Tavernetti, took a lot more time in setting
this up. He went over the material with Lazar, calmed him down. Also,
the second test was conducted a few months later so the concern about
threats received was not as fresh in Lazar's mind. Tavernetti divided
the questioning into four sections, each dealing with a different aspect
of Lazar's claims.

The results were not ambiguous whatsoever. Tavernetti state Lazar passed
all four sections. PASSED, not failed. He said the results were very
solid and he had no question Lazar was telling the truth as he knew it.

Later, Tavernetti sent the charts around to other friends of his, just
to get additinal input. He didn't need it, nor did we ask for it. A
second examiner--not mentioned in your last email---enthusiastically
agreed that Lazar was being truthful. A third examiner leaned in that
direction but theorized---because the information was so weird--that
maybe Lazar was recounting something he had been told by someone else.
It was a guess on his part. A fourth examiner said he thought in light
of the sensational nature of the allegations, that more testing was
advisable.

I've re-interviewed Terry Tavernetti a couple of times in the years
since. Currently he works as a security chief for a major casino
corporation. He conducts and oversees employment-related polygraph exams
on a daily basis. He stands by his original analysis of the Lazar exam
and re-emphasizes there is no question, in his opinion, that Lazar was
being truthful.

You are free to your own opinion about these events, but you are nto
free to use yoru own set of facts. Lazar did NOT fail three polygraph
exams, nor did he take or fail SIX polygraph exams. He took two exams
from two examiners on two different nights. One was inconclusive. The
other found he was truthful.

I'm not going to get into a running debate about it, which is why I was
reluctant to jump in at all. People can believe whatever they want about
Lazar, and I know there are many who will stick to their beliefs
regardless of what inaccuracies might have helped form those beliefs.
There are many problems with Lazar's story, as I have reported from the
beginning. But the issue of polygraph exams is not one of them.
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Decker

 

[ondafritz]

For all those interested in George Knapp's answers to questions raised here after you listened to the show I did with him, I wrote him and included the questions then waited for about 2 weeks for an answer. I didn't hear back. I resent him the first note and again asked George to respond. Still no answer.

This morning (Aug. 31) while checking my Yahoo email I saw a note from George responding to a group (Thule Foundation) that is on Victor Martinez's email list. These people had taken a number of (inaccurate) shots at the Bob Lazar story. This is what Knapp had to say to them regarding Lazar and his polygraph exams.
-------------------------------------------------------------
My entry into this conversation was prompted by the written statement
from Thule Foundation that Bob Lazar had taken and failed three
polygraph tests. I wrote to say, in a sly way, that this was wrong. It
is still wrong, as your own email attests. As mentioned, I paid for the
tests, I was present for the tests, and even in your recitation of the
text of my report, you are not being accurate.

You can parse it any way you would like but there were two polygraph
sessions. On two different evenings, we met with polygraph examiners.
There were two separate sessions, two examiners total. I would call that
two tests, though in both cases, the examiners broke up the tests into
smaller sections.

The first guy Ron Slay took little time in preparing Lazar for the test.
They had a brief conversation then jumped right into it. He ran the same
questions twice so he could compare the results. You are welcome to call
this two tests if you would like, though I consider it to be one
polygraph exam, especially since, in the end, there was one conclusion
given by the examiner. He remarked that Lazar was so nervous, in part
because there had been threats from his former employers, that it was
tough to get an accurate read. Was it nervousness from the threats or
was it from attempts to deceive. The examiner said he could not be
certain. That's why he said it "could be deceitful" on one set of the
questions, though he said lazar appeared truthful on the other. It was
his opinion that the net result was inconclusive...NOT a failure of the
test as you first wrote in this exchange. Ron Slay recommended another
exam, something more in depth, which is what we did.

The second examiner, Terry Tavernetti, took a lot more time in setting
this up. He went over the material with Lazar, calmed him down. Also,
the second test was conducted a few months later so the concern about
threats received was not as fresh in Lazar's mind. Tavernetti divided
the questioning into four sections, each dealing with a different aspect
of Lazar's claims.

The results were not ambiguous whatsoever. Tavernetti state Lazar passed
all four sections. PASSED, not failed. He said the results were very
solid and he had no question Lazar was telling the truth as he knew it.

Later, Tavernetti sent the charts around to other friends of his, just
to get additinal input. He didn't need it, nor did we ask for it. A
second examiner--not mentioned in your last email---enthusiastically
agreed that Lazar was being truthful. A third examiner leaned in that
direction but theorized---because the information was so weird--that
maybe Lazar was recounting something he had been told by someone else.
It was a guess on his part. A fourth examiner said he thought in light
of the sensational nature of the allegations, that more testing was
advisable.

I've re-interviewed Terry Tavernetti a couple of times in the years
since. Currently he works as a security chief for a major casino
corporation. He conducts and oversees employment-related polygraph exams
on a daily basis. He stands by his original analysis of the Lazar exam
and re-emphasizes there is no question, in his opinion, that Lazar was
being truthful.

You are free to your own opinion about these events, but you are nto
free to use yoru own set of facts. Lazar did NOT fail three polygraph
exams, nor did he take or fail SIX polygraph exams. He took two exams
from two examiners on two different nights. One was inconclusive. The
other found he was truthful.

I'm not going to get into a running debate about it, which is why I was
reluctant to jump in at all. People can believe whatever they want about
Lazar, and I know there are many who will stick to their beliefs
regardless of what inaccuracies might have helped form those beliefs.
There are many problems with Lazar's story, as I have reported from the
beginning. But the issue of polygraph exams is not one of them.
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Decker

It's just so amazing how controversial this guy still is. Let's see if we can get him on the show! Now wouldn't that be a hoot?

 

[Kieran]

Great show Don. George knapp is actually a favourite of mine in regards to the ufo topic.

 

[Kieran]

After listening to Don show earlier today with George.
In interest, i went on utube to watch a video were Bob lazar was being interviewed.Something, siad by Bob made me think.

Bob siad when he arrived at S4, he was given a briefing about two pages. Which essentially stated that extraterrestrial exist, they have been involved in human history and that their spacecraft are being housed at S4.

I have always been 50/50 with Bobs story. But i have a problem, now with the story. Bob in a video i will show. Ok the background. Bob says he did not see a craft until the third day and upon seeing it. Bobs states, this explains the sighting of ufos.

He actually states he taught this was experimental craft of our own design.It did not occur to him at the time an Alien craft.

Ok rewind, It didnt occur to him why? Is that logical. He siad himself he had a briefing were details were filled in for him by someone at S4. The video if you watch it will make it more clearer.

Bob siad himself, he was there on three separate occasions, before seeing a craft, Six months over all. Time was 7.20 in the video. Maybe, there is another Explantation. Hopefully, someone can fill in the blanks, if there is one?
http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=XAfVZcAsTxk

 

[Kieran]

Has anyone got a response our comment to what i siad above on Lazar? For me, i just find it strange. That a man who claimed to have worked at Area 51. Had no knowledge, to what he was looking at when he arrived at S4 on the third day.
Bob siad he, arrived on the first day at Area 51, was briefed on the details i mentioned above.

Second day or second visit, what was he doing on that day. Third day/visit he is taken to S4. Think, he has been briefed already on the first day. But, when Bob talks about seeing a Craft outside one of the hangar bays.

O, He says this explains the ufo sightings. It didnt even cross his mind according to him, that the craft was "Alien" more to him, it was ours. The interviewer asked, when did you realise this was not human made.

O not till i get into the craft and looked around.

Everything that was needed to know was told to him on the first day.

If his story was any bit logical. Bob would of realised by day three 'what he was looking at' and what his job description was?

Am i wrong in my suggestions?

 

[Double Nought Spy]

Lazar's story is never going to add up. To me, the "lie detector" tests are irrelevant because, unless Bob is from some alternate universe, we know for certain he has lied about many important things.

Is Lazar an accomplished liar who can defeat a polygraph exam? He would not be the first. Was he a patsy in some devious gubbamint maneuver? Again, he would be far from the first. There is actually some evidence to support that notion.

My favorite diagnosis at this time is that Bob is just batshit crazy. How he got that way might be an interesting story, but maybe not. As with so many other episodes in the paranormal universe, we are just going to have to deal with a lot of uncertainty, at least for now.

 

[Schuyler]

He actually states he taught this was experimental craft of our own design.It did not occur to him at the time an Alien craft.

Ok rewind, It didn't occur to him why? Is that logical. He siad himself he had a briefing were details were filled in for him by someone at S4. The video if you watch it will make it more clearer.

Bob said himself, he was there on three separate occasions, before seeing a craft, Six months over all. Time was 7.20 in the video. Maybe, there is another Explanation. Hopefully, someone can fill in the blanks, if there is one? http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=XAfVZcAsTxk

Lazar is a puzzle for me as well. He just sounds so damned reasonable. When he tells a story he'll always say, 'This is what I was told, but I don't know if it's true or not." He's always careful to distance himself from the more outrageous tales. Yet he has been caught in some outright fabrications, particularly about his non-existent education. His excuse is that the government pulled his records, but I don't buy that. It's not just a lack of records that is wrong here. His time line is all screwed up and he has peculiar lapses of memory. Does it make sense that he does not recall when he went to M.I.T. or when he graduated? My goodness, such an event is a huge milestone in anyone's life. I know precisely when I graduated from every school I ever attended.

His story does not make intuitive sense to me from a security standpoint. He seems to have waltzed into S-4, been given a Top Secret clearance of some sort '32 levels above 'Q' clearance.' and managed to do this in three days. There's just so much wrong with that scenario that it's hard to know where to begin. I have been in and around the security field all my adult working life, including in the military. Many of my friends and colleagues have or had Top Secret clearances. I 'earned' a Secret clearance myself. It took several months. Getting employed, even with a contractor, into a Top Secret area takes six months minimum before you can be 'read in' to the program and be officially on board. And this is for simple stuff such as a Russian language linguist working for the NSA, for example. Yeah, that's 'Top Secret,' but it's not like no one knows what they do.

Security in this country is SERIOUS. Jokes stop at the door. Procedures must be followed to the letter. What Lazar describes is not like any security apparatus I have ever encountered. It makes no sense whatsoever that he was given access to such material in the way he describes.

Yet the man does not talk like a junior college drop out. Perhaps it's just native intelligence, but his command of the English language is extremely good with an excellent vocabulary. He talks like a man with advanced degrees. George Knapp, for the record, says Lazar has been remarkably consistent in his story and has not tried to capitalize on it.

Some people will draw the line after one fabrication. I understand and accept that, but I struggle with the concept of 'character,' which I have learned to appreciate way too late in life. I'm not sure a single flaw is enough to condemn a person. An example is Don Schmitt. He was co-author of a couple of Roswell books with Kevin Randle. He claimed to be a 'Medical Illustrator' with a Masters degree. Turned out he worked for the Post Office. Randle split with him after this was discovered. Yet Schmitt found a new co-author and is continuing his Roswell research. 'Dr.' Randle, on the other hand, was awarded a PhD from a correspondence school. I think it is a fair supposition to suggest his curriculum was not as exhaustive or as intense as a PhD program at an accredited university. Seems to me both Schmitt and Randle fall into the same 'dubious education claims' as Lazar, yet they are not condemned for it. Maybe it's a matter of degree. Oops. No pun intended.

Here's a critical site on Lazar: http://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/lazar/

 

[Kieran]

Lazar is a puzzle for me as well. He just sounds so damned reasonable. When he tells a story he'll always say, 'This is what I was told, but I don't know if it's true or not." He's always careful to distance himself from the more outrageous tales. Yet he has been caught in some outright fabrications, particularly about his non-existent education. His excuse is that the government pulled his records, but I don't buy that. It's not just a lack of records that is wrong here. His time line is all screwed up and he has peculiar lapses of memory. Does it make sense that he does not recall when he went to M.I.T. or when he graduated? My goodness, such an event is a huge milestone in anyone's life. I know precisely when I graduated from every school I ever attended.

His story does not make intuitive sense to me from a security standpoint. He seems to have waltzed into S-4, been given a Top Secret clearance of some sort '32 levels above 'Q' clearance.' and managed to do this in three days. There's just so much wrong with that scenario that it's hard to know where to begin. I have been in and around the security field all my adult working life, including in the military. Many of my friends and colleagues have or had Top Secret clearances. I 'earned' a Secret clearance myself. It took several months. Getting employed, even with a contractor, into a Top Secret area takes six months minimum before you can be 'read in' to the program and be officially on board. And this is for simple stuff such as a Russian language linguist working for the NSA, for example. Yeah, that's 'Top Secret,' but it's not like no one knows what they do.

Security in this country is SERIOUS. Jokes stop at the door. Procedures must be followed to the letter. What Lazar describes is not like any security apparatus I have ever encountered. It makes no sense whatsoever that he was given access to such material in the way he describes.

Yet the man does not talk like a junior college drop out. Perhaps it's just native intelligence, but his command of the English language is extremely good with an excellent vocabulary. He talks like a man with advanced degrees. George Knapp, for the record, says Lazar has been remarkably consistent in his story and has not tried to capitalize on it.

Some people will draw the line after one fabrication. I understand and accept that, but I struggle with the concept of 'character,' which I have learned to appreciate way too late in life. I'm not sure a single flaw is enough to condemn a person. An example is Don Schmitt. He was co-author of a couple of Roswell books with Kevin Randle. He claimed to be a 'Medical Illustrator' with a Masters degree. Turned out he worked for the Post Office. Randle split with him after this was discovered. Yet Schmitt found a new co-author and is continuing his Roswell research. 'Dr.' Randle, on the other hand, was awarded a PhD from a correspondence school. I think it is a fair supposition to suggest his curriculum was not as exhaustive or as intense as a PhD program at an accredited university. Seems to me both Schmitt and Randle fall into the same 'dubious education claims' as Lazar, yet they are not condemned for it. Maybe it's a matter of degree. Oops. No pun intended.

Here's a critical site on Lazar: http://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/lazar/

Yes, Schulyer... It pretty obvious that lazar was more of an outsider than an Insider.There is too many problems with Lazar as you have pointed out.

If i am being honest, i was 50/50 on the story, some of the it sounded genuine to me.

I have done a complete 180 now. I think the case, Reminds me of the Jim sparks story. Were Jim claims we are working with Aliens at Area 51. Great story tellers with a great story, but they dont realise if your story is not completely genuine...gaps will always be found in your story eventually, if you lied.

I like George Knapp. I Never change my opinion of him just because he was taken in by Lazar.Lazar, is a clever man, but he was not clever enough to fully back up all ends of his story, that were not logical.

 

[atomic_annie]

Yes, Schulyer... It pretty obvious that lazar was more of an outsider than an Insider.There is too many problems with Lazar as you have pointed out.

If i am being honest, i was 50/50 on the story, some of the it sounded genuine to me.

I have done a complete 180 now. I think the case, Reminds me of the Jim sparks story. Were Jim claims we are working with Aliens at Area 51. Great story tellers with a great story, but they dont realise if your story is not completely genuine...gaps will always be found in your story eventually, if you lied.

I like George Knapp. I Never change my opinion of him just because he was taken in by Lazar.Lazar, is a clever man, but he was not clever enough to fully back up all ends of his story, that were not logical.

Lazar's a complete enigma to me. I've worked in academic environments for several years now and as far as I can see, he looks and talks like he's been there too. No one is going to have me believe that this person was in the bottom third of this high school class and no one is going to convince me that he does not at least have a undergrad degree in the hard core sciences. I think it's a real cop out to not consider that there's some truth to his story regardless that it's not checking out based on those who have investigated him. I think that whatever is not logical in his story is intentional and for this reason it warrants further investigation.

 

[Double Nought Spy]

Believe whatever you like, but as silly as his education claims are, it isn't just a case where "the gummint" made his records go away. I highly recommend Stan Friedman's research there. I especially like the part where he was asked to name one of his more important profs, and he finally coughed up a name, which not only was unknown at MIT or wherever he claimed, but was in fact an instructor at a community college Lazar had attended. But no, these amazing operatives somehow also managed to install a whole other set of public records for Tom Mahood to find years later, and Bob was apparently very busy with all sorts of nefarious and seedy schemes, as well as leading a rather sordid personal life, in my opinion. There are the court records for a messy divorce that provided many leads for Mahood, as I recall.

I have known a lot of well educated people in my time, too, and I've also come across far more talented BS artists than I ever wanted to. The first time I heard Al Beilik on the radio, I thought there surely must be something strange going on there, the guy was so smooth. Turns out there was something very strange going on there! We'll probably never know what really went on with Lazar, but there is nothing unique in his bullshitting abilities. The more one learns about Lazar, the less one sees. Friedman's stuff, and Mahood's, is easy enough to find online, and well worth reading for anyone who is even a little bit interested in old Bob's story.

 

[Kieran]

Lazar's a complete enigma to me. I've worked in academic environments for several years now and as far as I can see, he looks and talks like he's been there too. No one is going to have me believe that this person was in the bottom third of this high school class and no one is going to convince me that he does not at least have a undergrad degree in the hard core sciences. I think it's a real cop out to not consider that there's some truth to his story regardless that it's not checking out based on those who have investigated him. I think that whatever is not logical in his story is intentional and for this reason it warrants further investigation.

Just because Bob is able to talk about the sciences means notting.There is people out there who have studied the sciences withount the doing the work at some university and are very knowledgeable.

All do i admit. It is very likely he studied somewhere.You have to question the story.
When you have so many mistakes regarding Bobs memory.

Bob is the one telling the story. If his story was genuine, everything should be checking out as truth, there should be no confusion because the story is solely his not the investigators.

To be honest, some sounded genuine to be also.I actually wonder sometimes was Bob a disinformation agent for someone, but Then you have to ask the people who Hired Bob.

Would they be that stupid. It brought more attention to Area 51, so why would they do that? The only motive, i see would be to draw People's attention away from some other location and just focus the myth around Area 51.

 

[Schuyler]

Lazar's a complete enigma to me. I've worked in academic environments for several years now and as far as I can see, he looks and talks like he's been there too. No one is going to have me believe that this person was in the bottom third of this high school class and no one is going to convince me that he does not at least have a undergrad degree in the hard core sciences. I think it's a real cop out to not consider that there's some truth to his story regardless that it's not checking out based on those who have investigated him. I think that whatever is not logical in his story is intentional and for this reason it warrants further investigation.

It's not a cop out. You really ought to look at some of the references I cited above. I've stated my amazement above, so there's no need to go into that again. The fact is, his story is internally inconsistent with regards to dates and places. After detailing his fine education at places that have never heard of him, Lazar cannot come up with one professor, one classmate, one degree to flaunt, one transcript, or anyone anywhere that even remembers him. Out of all that schooling he could remember only one professor's name, who, as stated above, turn out to be a prof at the junior college he attended. He can't remember when he graduated from any school. It's as if he attended school in stealth mode, invisible to everyone around him. For someone who is so smart, he surely has one of the poorest memories on record.

The problem is not that Lazar does not have a record. The problem is that the record we can find is at considerable variance from what he states. In terms of his 'brilliance' in physics, read this: http://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/lazar/critiq.htm by a real physicist saying Lazar sounds like a layman pretending to be a physicist. Here's the information on his academic background: http://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/lazar/fl-edu.htm.

In terms of his high school, from the links above:

W. TRESPER CLARKE HIGH SCHOOL, WESTBURY, LONG ISLAND, NEW YORK. There doesn't seem to be any debate that Lazar did indeed attend and graduate from this school. In correspondence with Stanton Friedman, he stated to me, "Re the High School. Bob was graduated in August, not June, 1976, strongly suggesting that he had to take a summer course to get enough credits. He ranked 261 out of 369 (bottom third). He did take Chemistry. I obtained this information myself first hand from the school. They will undoubtedly deny giving the class rank to me since that is privacy act protected...it is a long story."

There it is: Good, strong, first-hand research. This is not a 'cop out'--it is evidence. This is what academic researchers do. If you do not want to be led to the obvious conclusions here, fine, but suggesting it is not true does not cut it. It's not believable at all. It won't earn you a passing grade. If you believe anything here to be contrary to what has been presented, please provide the evidence showing it is not so.

 

[Kieran]

AS Schulyer and other people have pointed there just too many problems with his story.

Only Bob, can tell us why he even came up with this story of working at AREA 51. If you really think, there is something to Bob story at this stage. You have to show evidence that could verify his education and background.

There is so many problems with his story. One, his education can not be verified by anyone. Everyone, has a record of education somewhere.

He named places of education were he siad he attended.

So surely, Bob, would have a least one piece of evidence. You, meet people when you attend colleges and university. Did he never have photographs of other students from the school. Partys, school events.. surely there must a least one photo of his experience of his schooling?

It ended with me, in how his memory of Area 51 didnt match up.Bob, siad he arrived at Area 51 and was briefed on everything. Including, the craft that were held at S4. Yet in a video, i dont no if it was made later after the original story came out.

Bob siad he was there around three days . At yet, when he arrived at S4 after the third day. He did not have a clue. What he was seeing and thought it was Human made. This does not make sense for the story to have any truth to it. Bob suddenly loses memory and forgets everything that he was told only two days before he went to S4.It not logical in any way. Bob story is a great story but lacks geniune truth.