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The Linda Cortile UFO Abduction Website

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Hello Paracast User Ufology,

Sean here.

My apologies for the delay in responding to your question.

In the purely hypothetical instance that it was my place and responsibility to attempt to go about changing
your mind, and I say this based on my interpretation of what you've written, it would be in regards to your
viewpoint that Carol is the innocent victim of baseless character assassination here.

In addition to this I would be inclined to change your mind on the matter that it is the sole responsibility of
Linda to spend her time and energies producing rebuttals to the vast amounts of demonstrably false claims
that Carol, and others, perpetuate and continue to perpetuate. Linda's family and their well being takes her
full time. I work full time on Linda's case on her behalf and since Budd Hopkins' passing last year it would
appear that I am the current primary investigator on her case. Her case continues to develop and amass
evidence, in addition to the large amount of evidence already amassed, some publicly released, some not.

In regards to Linda's case in general my observations are that it is too complex for one to hope to accurately
appraise it in a short period of time. It is also my experience that the majority of allegedly skeptical statements
made to dismiss it have been provably false upon scrutiny.

Figuratively speaking, the case is a rabbit hole and only a handful of individuals have attempted any real serious
descent down that rabbit hole. In presenting the documentation at Linda's website I am hoping to encourage
others to make such a descent and understand the particulars for themselves.

I hope these points are of help to your question. I appreciate your time and interest.

Thanks again and good luck

Sincerely

Sean F. Meers


Thanks for clarifying. Now please allow me to do the same. Your interpretation of my viewpoint is not correct. I make no claim that anyone is innocent. I have however made some observations based on content that portrays the case from different perspectives. As a result I stated that, "This whole approach to obtaining respectability by engaging in extensive character attacks ( by either side in the debate ) just seems counterproductive." I also made the point that what we really need to see here is evidence that can be objectively studied. I also provided a link to your rebuttals of Carol's statements and mentioned that it contains objective information. However that information, although objective, adds little to our understanding of the abduction phenomenon. This case's primary contribution to ufology has so far been to reveal how involvement in the topic affects our social interactions on an interpersonal level, particularly as members of the ufology community.
 
Linda is a friend of mine Budd really screwed her over so she is working on a new book about her experience.
I'm glad her site is finally open.
Please send my love and support to this poor woman I hope you and sean are helping her get the conceling she so despratly needs! this woman has been to hell and bck and I hope she is finding some mesure of peace.
 
Hello Paracast User Ufology,
Sean here.

Thanks for your patience.

I am glad that you helped clarify my concern that guilt was being attributed to Linda. That concern was based
solely on my interpretation of what you had written and it was not my intention in that interpretation to appear
to be putting words into your mouth or portraying it as a claim you had made.

I agree completely with your statement "This whole approach to obtaining respectability by engaging in extensive
character attacks (by either side in the debate) just seems counterproductive". Truer words were never spoken.

Thanks for taking the time to respond. It's always good to get these issues cleared up. I've recently been embroiled in some unfounded character attacks against me on another website and the last thing I want is to get into another one here ( not that you would ). You are very measured and considerate in your responses, and that is more appreciated than you know.

Linda's case itself has added much to the understanding of the abduction phenomenon because it was the first to
bring a new, previously unidentified aspect of the abduction phenomenon to light, and that is the repeated, lifelong pairing of
abductees with other abductees of the opposite sex for the apparent purposes of examining and manipulating human emotions
for some unknown reason.


Without being case specific, what I mean when I say that something doesn't add to our understanding of the abduction phenomenon, is that it contains insufficient evidence to determine the true objective nature and/or reality of the abduction experience ... therefore we can't say with any reasonable amount of certainty that it adds to our understanding. Even if we think we understand, the objective reality may in fact be something entirely different.
 
Sean here.

Thanks for your post. I'm sorry to hear that you've been subjected to those character attacks at another website ...

... In my personal opinion a lot of ufologists refuse to engage the abduction phenomenon and many others refuse to pay attention to anything other than the Roswell incident. There is tremendous support that needs to be given to abductees and attention that needs to be paid to researching their accounts. I feel that the joke will truly be on all of us if serious attention isn't paid to this phenomenon.

Thanks for your reply and hope you're well.

Your kind words are much appreciated, and I compliment you on your ability to stay so well collected amid all the flak around your work. Regarding the need for ufologists to investigate abductions, I tend to agree that there is a deficiency of qualified people in the field who are willing to take on cases. Personally, even if I had access to experiencers ( which I don't ), I wouldn't really know how to deal with them. I only know what I've read in books and that abductees seem to be a whole other kettle of fish.

For example, I was once introduced to a nice woman who believed she was an abductee. We had a brief meeting with her friends, but ultimately the emotional aura that surrounded her was something I couldn't navigate. There was a great deal of apprehension, like something I would have otherwise associated more with spousal abuse than alien abduction. I wanted to help her, but I felt helpless to do so. I think someone with credentials in psychology would be better equipped to handle experiencers than mainstream ufologists, and I'm not to proud to say that pretty much counts me out. On the other hand, when I've been called out to the scene of a UFO sighting, people just come out and we talk like regular folks. They say they were doing such and such and then such and such happened and so on. No big deal. I can apply my usual critical thinking skills, make the usual observations and calculations, and depart without incident.
 
Hi Paracast User Rikki,

Sean here.

Thank you for your kind support of Linda. I know she greatly appreciates it.
I'm doing my very best to make sure that she and her family want for nothing
and that Linda and her case are fully defended.

Many Thanks

Sincerely

Sean
Thank you sean! I also hope you sheild her from the HUMAN preditors who would use her case for thier own ends!
 
Hi Paracast User ufology,

Sean here.

Thanks for your post and for your kind words too. I appreciate it. Finding individuals who are capable
of seriously and politely discussing the subject of UFOs and Alien Abductions can be a great challenge.

Budd Hopkins collaborated with many doctors and psychiatric professionals in his work with abductees.
It is very uncertain territory to navigate and the safety, defense and wellbeing of the abductees is
paramount. It has to come before everything.

Thanks again.

Sincerely

Sean

I share your sentiment, however I've also learned to avoid making absolutist statements. Safety, defense and wellbeing should all be weighed against the factors involved in our search for the truth. Discovering the truth often involves a certain amount of risk ( sometimes considerable risk ), and therefore safety may not always come first. The truth also requires us to accept what the results of the evidence tells us, therefore we may find ourselves in a position where if we respect the truth, we cannot defend an abductee's story. The idea of wellbeing is similar. We should be defending the truth, not what makes us feel better. All these things should be handled within an environment of mutual respect between investigators and the experiencer, and both should be prepared for unforeseen consequences.
 
Your kind words are much appreciated, and I compliment you on your ability to stay so well collected amid all the flak around your work. Regarding the need for ufologists to investigate abductions, I tend to agree that there is a deficiency of qualified people in the field who are willing to take on cases. Personally, even if I had access to experiencers ( which I don't ), I wouldn't really know how to deal with them. I only know what I've read in books and that abductees seem to be a whole other kettle of fish.

For example, I was once introduced to a nice woman who believed she was an abductee. We had a brief meeting with her friends, but ultimately the emotional aura that surrounded her was something I couldn't navigate. There was a great deal of apprehension, like something I would have otherwise associated more with spousal abuse than alien abduction. I wanted to help her, but I felt helpless to do so. I think someone with credentials in psychology would be better equipped to handle experiencers than mainstream ufologists, and I'm not to proud to say that pretty much counts me out. On the other hand, when I've been called out to the scene of a UFO sighting, people just come out and we talk like regular folks. They say they were doing such and such and then such and such happened and so on. No big deal. I can apply my usual critical thinking skills, make the usual observations and calculations, and depart without incident.

I think the whole "contactee" wave from the 50's/60's did alot of damage to those claiming abduction. Many of those contactee claims were so outragious and rediculous- the general public can't seperate those from the current abduction phemom. I myself, truely believe there is something real/physical happening to many of these folks who have come forward with abduction details.
 
I think the whole "contactee" wave from the 50's/60's did alot of damage to those claiming abduction. Many of those contactee claims were so outragious and rediculous- the general public can't seperate those from the current abduction phemom. I myself, truely believe there is something real/physical happening to many of these folks who have come forward with abduction details.

Sure, but what is that something? Abductions tend to take place in the shadows ( literally and figuratively ). The witnesses are usually ordinary people who are often confused and lapses of memory seem common. This is not to say I don't believe experiencers are telling the truth, it's that given the nature of these experiences, even if they believe they are being honest, I'm not sure that even they can be sure of what the truth is. It's all quite disturbing and there's little we seem to be able to do about it. At one point a few years back I heard about an idea to do comparative DNA studies on abductees to see if there were any common markers. Great idea, but that project never seemed to get off the ground.
 
"The consequences are very palpable in regards to what the third man may face if he had come forward, and the consequences in regards to him not coming forward are almost non-existent"

I can't help but disagree with this conclusion, in regards to Perez(?) not coming forward. I understand the "human toll" this coming out, and the consequences to Linda's family and careers of those high profile witnesses- However, if people are being taken from their homes in covert operations by non-human beings- wouldn't the "exposure" of such be worth any destructive effects it might create for these witnesses and their families. I hate to sound cold hearted, or uncaring, but we're talking about a possible, physical operation that could have negative consequences towards the future of our species.
 
Sure, but what is that something? Abductions tend to take place in the shadows ( literally and figuratively ). The witnesses are usually ordinary people who are often confused and lapses of memory seem common. This is not to say I don't believe experiencers are telling the truth, it's that given the nature of these experiences, even if they believe they are being honest, I'm not sure that even they can be sure of what the truth is. It's all quite disturbing and there's little we seem to be able to do about it. At one point a few years back I heard about an idea to do comparative DNA studies on abductees to see if there were any common markers. Great idea, but that project never seemed to get off the ground.

What truth is there to be gleaned at all? The entire abduction piece has never made much sense to me, especially the longer you look at it - purpose, confusion and memory gaps seem to point more towards the need for a psychologist to root out sources of trauma. Regardless, the stories told are disturbing and distressing.

What are the common factors in terms of personal history i.e. abuse and how can we ever measure this 'event' that appears to be highly subjective at best? Has anyone been able to corelate experiences or anecdotes beyond the front loaded aspects of the familiar narrative of testing, human hybrids etc.? I'm really interested in the more odd human challenge holodeck experiences where 'abductees' are asked to solve problems, make choices etc.
 
Last year I begain looking into this case there are many layers to it I am no closer to an opinion on what happened than when I started. My wife has an opinion she has stated to me. All I am willing to sat at this juntures is something odd happened to linda what I don't know yet...
 
"The consequences are very palpable in regards to what the third man may face if he had come forward, and the consequences in regards to him not coming forward are almost non-existent"

I can't help but disagree with this conclusion, in regards to Perez(?) not coming forward. I understand the "human toll" this coming out, and the consequences to Linda's family and careers of those high profile witnesses- However, if people are being taken from their homes in covert operations by non-human beings- wouldn't the "exposure" of such be worth any destructive effects it might create for these witnesses and their families. I hate to sound cold hearted, or uncaring, but we're talking about a possible, physical operation that could have negative consequences towards the future of our species.

I agree with you 100%, and NO, you do not sound "cold hearted" or apathetic to the situation in the least. You sound completely, in the most intelligent, objective fashion possible, normal. My views on the Abduction Phenomenon have been made public for several years now and often I am perceived by those who don't know me personally as being overtly harsh. I am very empathetic to the victims and experiencers of these occurrences. However, the whole thing just does not add up with respect for what is the "real response" factor of the victims themselves. Just as well as what is the most basic of substantiation for what occurs with respect to physically absent people. I devoted quite a bit of time to the AP throughout the 90s. Actually, having purchased and read The Walton Report right when it first came out, I have always maintained a very deep and sincere interest level in the phenomenon.

Ultimately the issue comes down to the abductees themselves. They must do whatever it takes to confirm a substantiation of being physically absent during which time the AP takes place. Without as much, the AP is happening solely in the abductees head. Frankly, that in and of itself is NOT to made light of, nor is it a detractor from such a phenomenon's existence whatsoever. But without utter submissive cooperation on behalf of the abductees with unbiased and accredited medical professionals, and or, substantiation driven, third party scientific monitoring agencies, I'm afraid the AP will remain predominately a fiction within the minds of those most likely to be of real service to those who stand to benefit the most from those services, namely the abductees.
 
I agree with you 100%, and NO, you do not sound "cold hearted" or apathetic to the situation in the least. You sound completely, in the most intelligent, objective fashion possible, normal. My views on the Abduction Phenomenon have been made public for several years now and often I am perceived by those who don't know me personally as being overtly harsh. I am very empathetic to the victims and experiencers of these occurrences. However, the whole thing just does not add up with respect for what is the "real response" factor of the victims themselves. Just as well as what is the most basic of substantiation for what occurs with respect to physically absent people. I devoted quite a bit of time to the AP throughout the 90s. Actually, having purchased and read The Walton Report right when it first came out, I have always maintained a very deep and sincere interest level in the phenomenon.

Ultimately the issue comes down to the abductees themselves. They must do whatever it takes to confirm a substantiation of being physically absent during which time the AP takes place. Without as much, the AP is happening solely in the abductees head. Frankly, that in and of itself is NOT to made light of, nor is it a detractor from such a phenomenon's existence whatsoever. But without utter submissive cooperation on behalf of the abductees with unbiased and accredited medical professionals, and or, substantiation driven, third party scientific monitoring agencies, I'm afraid the AP will remain predominately a fiction within the minds of those most likely to be of real service to those who stand to benefit the most from those services, namely the abductees.
I'm not too sure about our species being at risk at all. If any other life form had the power to move our bodies in an out of our bedrooms at will, without notice, and who also could breed, experiment and hybrdize us as they please then why not already take us over and do these things with much more frequency and lack of care of notice? After all, no one else outside of AP claims have actually ever touched a 'grey' let alone combat them.

I'm curious about what you think is behind this phenomenon, Jeff? Is it all like Oliver Sacks says, that these things are all hallucinations, confabulations and hoaxes along with the rest of the UFO and paranormal phenomenon?

We are more likely to see UFO's when our forebears would see angels
 
What truth is there to be gleaned at all? The entire abduction piece has never made much sense to me, especially the longer you look at it - purpose, confusion and memory gaps seem to point more towards the need for a psychologist to root out sources of trauma. Regardless, the stories told are disturbing and distressing.

What are the common factors in terms of personal history i.e. abuse and how can we ever measure this 'event' that appears to be highly subjective at best? Has anyone been able to corelate experiences or anecdotes beyond the front loaded aspects of the familiar narrative of testing, human hybrids etc.? I'm really interested in the more odd human challenge holodeck experiences where 'abductees' are asked to solve problems, make choices etc.

For many, the source of trauma seems to be the abduction itself. We have those cases when a psychologist stumbles into one of these episodes(I think the Hill case might be a good example) I find those cases when multiple witnesses to an event are able to recall some specifics without hypnotherapy- more compelling than those cases where all data is taken through hypnosis alone.
This Cortile case could be one of those events with multiple independent witnesses recalling specific details without using hypnosis.. What troubles me, the three witnesses (Richard, Dan, de Cuellar) most needed to come forward, never have... their obligation to do so, in my opinion, is huge.
 
I'm not too sure about our species being at risk at all. If any other life form had the power to move our bodies in an out of our bedrooms at will, without notice, and who also could breed, experiment and hybrdize us as they please then why not already take us over and do these things with much more frequency and lack of care of notice? After all, no one else outside of AP claims have actually ever touched a 'grey' let alone combat them.

I'm curious about what you think is behind this phenomenon, Jeff? Is it all like Oliver Sacks says, that these things are all hallucinations, confabulations and hoaxes along with the rest of the UFO and paranormal phenomenon?

We are more likely to see UFO's when our forebears would see angels

Burnt State,
Honestly, I think the phenomena represents much more than any form of mental illness, intentional premeditated deception, or non intentional hypnosis induced confabulation can account for. I will state that there ARE assuredly high profile charlatans within the grouping of reporters that claim 1st or 2nd party legitimate abduction experience. They are easy to spot however and are IMO most often those that have had a repeat high level of success in professional publishing as well as touring the lecture circuit. Millions of people LOVE to read about this stuff and pay good money to do so. Look at David Icke for example. The man SELLS OUT one tour after another. He's incredibly wealthy as a result. There are also, especially with the rise of the Internet, a myriad of low life delusional attention seekers polluting the informational construct, and mixed in with that grouping exists the hard core mentally ill.

ANYONE, I don't care who they are, or what they represent, that states unequivocally that the whole of what we catalog as paranormal phenomena is utter fiction based solely on cerebral hallucinations, is unquestionably an utter moron. I would certainly hope that's not what MR. Sacks is stating, and therefore IMO qualifying himself as being. As a brilliant man, I honestly think if we were to talk and reason with him directly, he might have a slightly differing amount of reserve for what we perceive as the overall nature of his claims. We all know that at least a very good portion of what is reported as paranormal are in fact hallucinations. However, those who do or those who might make such a shot gun or blanket dismissal of the phenomena, fail to recognize and accept one the most fundamental and rudimentary aspects of scientific progress imaginable. Namely, that up until we know the answers, we simply don't know the answers. EVERYTHING we know is based upon observation in one sense or another. Therefore we can deduce via the mathematically derived average laws of probability that something REAL is occurring whether illusory or precisely as perceived and reported. Whether those observations are illusory in appearance or not, until we can explain the observations clearly, demonstrably, and therefore knowingly, one cannot logically dismiss a multiplicity of similar observations as mere fiction without a SOLID WORKING refutation. In other words you must be able to repeat and demonstrate your proposed refutation. Any halfwit can debunk something with an endless stream of possibilities to counter more possibilities, but what really is that apart from a hypothetically rhetorical cop out? A plea to side step ignorance is exactly what it really is. If science itself were to have progressed in such a fashion dismissing everything that simply seems incredulous on the surface as being an utter fiction, we would still be in the business of stealing fire from one another. The notion is merely an empirical fur cape of blatant unknowing. One that hopes at best to make a soothing impression upon the insecure and feeble minded tribe of scientific cave dwelling brethren in an effort to direct attention away from the fact that it's merely a stone age insulator from the brutal cold of the establishment's vulnerable ignorance. A Wizard of Oz of sorts that never really imparts anything to the tin men that wasn't already theirs to begin with. Still the true believing skeptics follow the old man behind the curtain like the little loyal birds that they are, chasing bread crumbs on a windy winter's day as frightfully cold those little birds may be.

Focusing solely on the Grey Alien's Abduction Phenomenon:

So, do I think that at the core of AP there exists some form of an external agent. Yes, it's quite possible that the phenomenon exists in tandem with the experiencer's mind, and is not solely dependent on it. Do I think that this agent is possibly non human? Yes. (but lets not rule out that the non human element in play here might be technologically based and of human origin, ok?) Do I think that a human covert operation might exist to abduct people/victim's psychically? Yes I do. Unlike Stanton Friedman, whom I utterly lauded up until I heard him state in a somewhat recent public interview, that it was his opinion that we were at best 1-2 years ahead of public awareness concerning scientific research and development of technologically progressive means, it is my opinion that we have had technology to do so for many years now. At least 50, maybe more. Do I think that it's a good and effective intelligence procedure to fund, or allow for, the public shill research organizations to declare little real or practical progress in such an undertaking? You're damn right I do.

Bottom line: Do I believe that a non human intelligence is, according to a non human volition, acting out a physical abduction of human beings, that is based on a genetics program that will allow them to create a hybrid race for one reason or another? No I do not. But just as soon as I see one shred of real substantiation for as much, I will solemnly reconsider.

The Hypothetical:

It is my opinion that we have technologies that are beyond almost anything we could typically imagine as being practical and integral to the most elite of society at large. Technologies so bizarre and potentially dangerous that if the wrong organizations or individuals ever became aware of as much there would be little we could do to stop the self serving interest in application of as much. Is ANYONE really stupid enough to think or believe that Tesla was the only genius to be born with the natural prodigious level of scientific insight that he possessed and developed from? Levels of insight beyond ALL contemporary and reasonable application. What about living,breathing Tesla's right now, let alone over the last 70 years? IMO, half of the UFO stuff we learn of as being reported by witnesses are based on elite black funded private sector working technological understandings that we have had for well over 50 years now. I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that the plasma based TR aerial vehicles are one such example. I have always said it and I'll say it again and again. Never underestimate the power of a human being in any way.
 
"Technologies beyond/bizarre"
in your opinion, could we have produced this technology on our own- or do you think it was originally obtained from an ET source? (crashed disk, etc.)
 
The information I have read certainly points to a history trail of development within what would seem to be entirely human origins. We were working on remotely transmitted hypnosis in the first half of the last century. Stagger Lee, have you read Martin Cannon's paper The Controllers ? If you haven't it's a great place to start, however, there are assuredly other works far more exhaustive to be considered as well.
 
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