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The Lloyd Pye DNA crusade continues apace. (VIDEO)
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)David Biedny
Paranormal Adept
Two absolute asshat morons, one promoting the other.
They deserve each other. A blight on them, a pox on their eye sockets, a large ball of rancid pus on their souls. I can't wait to see what Tommy A. writes after seeing this blechfest. Tommy?
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They deserve each other. A blight on them, a pox on their eye sockets, a large ball of rancid pus on their souls. I can't wait to see what Tommy A. writes after seeing this blechfest. Tommy?
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Aaron LeClair
Paranormal Maven
I've seen the vid before, but didn't know who Simone was at the time.
I recently heard Pye is in debt or something, 50 grand, which is the price of the dna test I think. Anyone have details on this? I thought the money was donated /shrug.
I recently heard Pye is in debt or something, 50 grand, which is the price of the dna test I think. Anyone have details on this? I thought the money was donated /shrug.
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Tommy Allison
Guest
Captain Cockbite, and his side kick Scrotor need Christmas Cash.
That's about all I have to say about it. I just want both of the fuckers to die.
That's about all I have to say about it. I just want both of the fuckers to die.
Gareth
Nothin' to see here
Just putting all hatred and angst aside for a couple secs... am I the only one who sees that skull and gets slightly intrigued? The problem is I dont think well ever know one way or the other. Chances are its a deformity but that as far as I can tell a deformity wouldnt affect the knot at the back - just the placement of the features on the face.
And when Pye says he has trouble getting decent analysis due to fear of repercussions form the scientists I find that as a credible statement. But well just never know how much he searches around for the responce hes looking for.
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Just another UFO nutter
And when Pye says he has trouble getting decent analysis due to fear of repercussions form the scientists I find that as a credible statement. But well just never know how much he searches around for the responce hes looking for.
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Just another UFO nutter
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Tommy Allison
Guest
Anger aside? If you knew what this asshole was about, you'd understand my problem with him. But, to deal with the actual skull...
I have a casting of the skull that I made in my studio, and the upper maxilla. Intrigued? Yeah, if you'd never known what a cradle boarded child's skull looked like. Imagine a hydrocephalic child being cradle boarded. It would do nearly exactly the same thing. When they talk about downward pressure on the skull, it's utter horseshit, as nobody really knows if the kid's brain was fully formed. There are people who have birth defects every day and yet their skulls do not prevent them from locomotion.
The rear of the skull has two distinct dents from where the tendons connect to it. They are pronounced because this kid held its head upright.
Then, there's the truly telling thing about the skull. It's missing its face. There's only ONE way you break that much bone off of someone's skull, and that's if you do it deliberately. Now why would someone break the face off of a skull?
Well... There's two reasons. It was broken in anger by someone who killed the child, or... It was broken to hide the fact that if it had the orbits, nasal cavity, and upper palate in tact, one would find that it was just a deformity.
Then there's Dr. David Sweet, up there in Canada who told me that he did not believe that the partial maxilla found, belonged to the skull. One of the people who I referenced in my forensic reconstruction. I talked to David at length, and he is a very intelligent and intellectually honest person.
This is the retarded version of Piltdown Man, and half as funny.
Some pretty strong words. I can't offer an informed opinion one way or the other.
What about the stuff Lloyd Pye has at his website? e.g.
A Preliminary analysis of a high
Early Findings
What about the stuff Lloyd Pye has at his website? e.g.
A Preliminary analysis of a high
Early Findings
Aaron LeClair
Paranormal Maven
I'm interested in the skull too, but less so since the first test results. Pye and the skull are two seperate things to me.
I gather another test was done, but I don't know of the results.
Some may not be aware of Tommy's past relationship with Pye. Try a forum search, and/or listen to the show he was on for details.
Aaron LeClair
Paranormal Maven
Pye was on, then Tommy came to discuss some Pye/skull related issues. He did some art for Pye and things went sour.
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Tommy Allison
Guest
Oh it went sour alright.
And it wasn't just "Art" as you put it. It was a Forensic Reconstruction. Using the skull, and upper maxilla that I was provided, I made castings of them, and then re-created the upper palate, the orbits, teeth, lower mandible, then laid a muscle structure over it, then added skin.
I did the work for free. Unfortunately for me I got to see a side of Lloyd that few get to see. That's why I am biased against Lloyd. I know things about his group, and how he expected it to turn out. Ask David about it, I forwarded him the e-mails I received from Mr. Pye.
And it wasn't just "Art" as you put it. It was a Forensic Reconstruction. Using the skull, and upper maxilla that I was provided, I made castings of them, and then re-created the upper palate, the orbits, teeth, lower mandible, then laid a muscle structure over it, then added skin.
I did the work for free. Unfortunately for me I got to see a side of Lloyd that few get to see. That's why I am biased against Lloyd. I know things about his group, and how he expected it to turn out. Ask David about it, I forwarded him the e-mails I received from Mr. Pye.
Mogwa
Skilled Investigator
I genuinely feel sorry for Pye. His interest in the artifact has literally evolved into an obsession that is destroying his life. The last I heard, he's now deeply in debt to the tune of more than fifty thousand dollars, money totally wasted in attempts to pay for even more forensic testing that has revealed nothing not already known. Fifty grand, isn't all that much money these days, but it's surely a hell of a burden when you don't have a steady income.
In the last communication I had with him several months ago, Lloyd was apologetic about dropping the illustration work I had done for the hardback edition of The Starchild Skull from the paperback release. Seems his readers felt my model was "too human." Well, there's a reason for that: it's a human skull that displays a unique mixture of extremely odd but clearly documented genetic pathologies, along with possible cradle boarding.
I hope Lloyd will devote his time in the future to more worthwhile pursuits. That old horse he's still flogging isn't just dead, it's positively rotten. Time to move on.
In the last communication I had with him several months ago, Lloyd was apologetic about dropping the illustration work I had done for the hardback edition of The Starchild Skull from the paperback release. Seems his readers felt my model was "too human." Well, there's a reason for that: it's a human skull that displays a unique mixture of extremely odd but clearly documented genetic pathologies, along with possible cradle boarding.
I hope Lloyd will devote his time in the future to more worthwhile pursuits. That old horse he's still flogging isn't just dead, it's positively rotten. Time to move on.
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Tommy Allison
Guest
I do NOT feel sorry for Lloyd, nor do I feel sorry for anyone associated with him. Him being $50K in debt BY HIS OWN HAND, is no different to me than someone who bought a home with an adjustable mortgage. He KNEW what he was doing, he's a grown man.
You should be clear when you say, his readers. You mean his investors. When I did the work for him, I was subject to a group of people's commentary. These are people who spent money to MAKE MONEY.
I think it is absolutely hilarious that you were told the same thing I was. Had you given him what he wanted, you would have lost your credibility as a forensic artist. Science, and forensics is about truth. If you're a forensic artist, you have to be intellectually honest in your rendering of a subject.
Be glad you aren't associated with his work. Anyone who is, is just as much a fraud as he is.
Aaron LeClair
Paranormal Maven
So what the new test show? Human father? I know the first test showed it had a human mother.
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Gil Bavel
Guest
Tommy:
If it weren't a foregone conclusion that you wouldn't get anything for your trouble--because you can't get blood from a turnip--would you take legal action against Pye? How about just to discredit him? If you can't get what you're due for your work, you can at least get your good name back and make sure no one ever falls for his BS ever again...
Gareth
Nothin' to see here
Thats still inconclusive Aaron. According to the video anyway (which admittedly might be older than I thought). Attempts to extract nuclear DNA which would give information about the father have been unsuccessful 6 times.
You know what that means? HYBRID!
PS. Is it just me or do you get the impression that Tommy doesnt like this guy? Im just getting this weird vibe
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Tommy Allison
Guest
It was never about the money for me. It was a matter of trust, and truth, and Lloyd failed.
My name is just fine. I never lost my good name to those who know me, or who do business with me. I have suffered no loss of financial ability. His brand of lunacy and idiocy are not countenanced in the circles I run in.
I have the quiet satisfaction that when I go to sleep at night, I'm not Lloyd. I don't have a dead Mexican child's remains funding me, and carrying me through life. Even more pathetic is that he doesn't even own the skull, he just peddles it for this couple who own it.
I would take him to court if I ever caught him using my work. I can profit from my work all I want to. I simply choose not to, because if I generate any interest for Lloyd, I become just as culpable for the fraud he perpetrates.
David Biedny
Paranormal Adept
Lloyd Pye has zero credibility, outside of a small group of wackos who follow his every word. He has no hard background in research, no professional experience in the fields he claims to have expertise in, and his only claim to fame is this skull and a 1998 book he wrote called "Everything You Know is Wrong". Yeah, sure, Lloyd, we'll all wrong, and you're right. And I also have a lovely bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya, cheap. Tommy is right on the money with respect to this creepy asshole, his emails to me & Gene after our talk with him were totally abusive and asinine, as were his communications with Tommy. He's a charlatan, and thankfully, his scam is almost out of gas.
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