The Official Paracast Political Thread! — Part Three

[Tyger]

The whole Mike Pence situation is sadly ironic. Trump doesn't like that the VP-Elect was booed and directly spoken to by the Hamilton Cast - saying in his tweets something about the theater needing to be a 'safe place'.

Beyond the irony that the arts are the place where 'freedom of expression' should reign, how does Trump (and Pence) then justify our fellows being put at risk for hectoring and worse (actual violence) on the streets of the US because of differences in political views, or because someone is identified as being a member of a targeted group for hate?

LINK: UPDATED: President-elect Trump Demands Apology from HAMILTON Cast

An on-line conversation: "I guess we know how much of a doofus Pence is now. He's in Blue NY, goes to a Broadway show about Freedom, filled with a multi-racial cast in a city that loves our LBQT and all our varied citizens and is surprised that he got a personal message."

About Trump's demand for an apology: "The bully now thinks he can dictate!" "That is precisely the problem: this bully wants to be a dictator." "After Trump apologizes for his....lifetime of deceit, lies, hate speech, etc."

 

[SRL+]

You obviously have zero professional credentials S.R.L. or you would have never made such an ignorance fueled and thoroughly misguided conclusion. Not only do you not know what I was accurately informing members here about, you don't even have a clue what you are going on about. What I stated had NOTHING to do with OEM vs. Aftermarket parts. Zero. The post you failed to even "get" centered on parts that *ARE* mostly aftermarket by definition that are made in the USA. This vastly smaller percentage of USA manufactured automobile parts parts are almost always much better quality than most OEM branded parts which are in fact in large part imported from China and then placed in their middleman brand named boxes. The EXACT same parts can be found in different aftermarket branded boxes in automobile parts supermarkets everywhere. This *is* the PAST 3 decades of the globalist socialist influenced US consumer market place at it's uniform quality lowering best. THANK YOU S.R.L. for making my point!

I had an amazing Philosophy teacher in the high school that I attended named MR. Hayner. Brilliant old guy that road his bicycle across town everyday to and from his class room in the ghetto central high school I graduated from. He taught me, "If you want to know, go to the men who know". After being in the business I am presently in for 35+ years, I am one such man who definitely knows.

S.R.L., can you say "I was wrong & didn't have a clue what I was talking about"?

As a professional member of the USA's legitimate work force, now for almost 40 years, my business depends on repairs and services performed with all sorts of manufactured parts.

You obviously didn't mean to write this. Then again, you never stated whether, or, not you repair washers & dryers.

The quality of that 15% of the USA manufactured parts represented by their consistent quality, reliability, and longevity once installed, so overshadows the 85% GARBAGE parts that we primarily get from China in the form of middleman recognizable brand name reboxers, that the first question in our minds when obtaining parts from our suppliers is where the beep they are manufactured.

Sure, anyone knows that most parts manufactured in China are sub-par. German & Japanese parts are much superior.

I had an amazing Philosophy teacher in the high school that I attended named MR. Hayner.

Then why haven't you learned anything?

After being in the business I am presently in for 35+ years, I am one such man who definitely knows.

Now, that is truly debatable.

I do not care what it is you are referring to in terms of manufacturing. In ANY case, if, and when that product was first made in the United States, and is now imported, it was hands down better quality when made here.

Not correct. When reversed engineered there are "parts" & pieces which are superior elsewhere than when first created in the US. Unless referring to aerospace and high tech.

 

[Jeff Davis]

I think Jeff my have me on ignore, so maybe somebody could ask him on my behalf: why he uses terms like "Internment Central" and "big iron glory trains".

When I read somebody talking like that it is disturbing.

Considering that there has been direct discourse in this thread regarding WWII and the holocaust, I find it even more troubling.

Brother, I am SORRY and I apologize that I said some of the things that I did in fact say to you. I do not have you on ignore, albeit I did for a short while. It's just that you REALLY hurt my feelings stating I was homophobic. I am NOT. One of my closest and most dearly LOVED friends/family members is a gay man. I hang out with he and his better married half often. In their home, on their yacht, etc. He and his friends are WONDERFUL people. Not to mention the fact that one of my all time biggest and greatest heroes is in fact gay. You'd never know it of the naturalist/aquarist who's full name I will not reveal because of sheer respect for him. But lets just say that in the world of fish keeping he's monstrously FAMOUS. Holding several unprecedented records including the reintroduction of a technically declared extinct species of Goodeidae to the wild. And was the first person to ever spawn and successfully rear freshwater captive stingrays in aquarist history. He and another naturalist legend hero of mine, who has sadly now passed on, lived with a formerly (then/now illegal) head hunting tribe of South American Indians for a good period of time doing extremely cool research. I learned so much from these two men, of which only one is gay, that I will forever be in their precious debt. I've been in the man's home several times, including his private fish room which was during the time of my visits with him, his entire basement. He's the retired curator of one of the oldest public Aquariums in the USA. Then there is the fact that I have a myriad of highly responsible professional customers whom are gay couples that I have been entrusted by them to take care of for MANY years.

So it is that, when you and others here lumped me into politically incorrect categories with other philosophically baseless haters and homophobes, I was in fact VERY insulted to say the least. I proudly voted republican (as did several gays I personally know!) because I realized how grave the situation actually is here in the States with respect to our country's national identity and it's truest causal founding philosophy being annihilated. However, I am dead against liberal propaganda brainwashing agendas that feign a pseudo moral high ground to achieve their politically diabolical purposes. At heart I am a staunch libertarian in terms of my personal philosophies. My comments about Hillaryous Clinton were of a satirical pseudo moral high ground nature in reference to her feigned family values altruism. Her presidential campaign pushed that utterly false televised image extremely hard via the liberal media's best effort to brainwash everyone into believing that horse crap.

The internment parody I put forth earlier, and the iron coach or whatever it was that I referred to, are satirical references to the illegitimate criminals that the USA will be deporting sometime in the very near future. This is a HUGE problem for the States. It's NOT about racism. It's about being a legitimately responsible and accounted for US citizen. It's high time we expected the illegals here to get with our program (the USA's) and not have them coming here in droves expecting the program to get with them due to some liberal globalist's pan to reduce our country to the status of a third world nation. That's the bullshit that the liberals have been doing their best to bring to pass here. If the same thing was going on in your great country, you'd feel the EXACT same way.

BTW, with respect to illegals being temporarily confined in internment camps prior to being deported, google "FEMA Camp" and put two and two together. Be careful not to get caught up in all the liberal or far right wing fruitcake paranoid conspiratorial BS. Be Well!

 

[Jeff Davis]

You obviously didn't mean to write this. Then again, you never stated whether, or, not you repair washers & dryers.

Sure, anyone knows that most parts manufactured in China are sub-par. German & Japanese parts are much superior.

Then why haven't you learned anything?

Now, that is truly debatable.

Not correct. When reversed engineered there are "parts" & pieces which are superior elsewhere than when first created in the US. Unless referring to aerospace and high tech.

Ignorance knows not when to take a breather. Even a fool knows when to keep his mouth shut. Start providing something in terms of substantive examples apart from your ignorance and inexperienced WORDS or PLEASE go get some sleep.

 

[SRL+]

Start providing something in terms of substantive examples apart from your ignorance and inexperienced WORDS or PLEASE go get some sleep.

You're the "guru".., you're the one who put forth the claim, you prove it.
Speaking of sleep ... look familiar? Its no wonder you have so much free time to interact here.

 

[Han]

Brother, I am SORRY and I apologize that I said some of the things that I did in fact say to you. I do not have you on ignore, albeit I did for a short while. It's just that you REALLY hurt my feelings stating I was homophobic. I am NOT. One of my closest and most dearly LOVED friends/family members is a gay man. I hang out with he and his better married half often. In their home, on their yacht, etc. He and his friends are WONDERFUL people. Not to mention the fact that one of my all time biggest and greatest heroes is in fact gay. You'd never know it of the naturalist/aquarist who's full name I will not reveal because of sheer respect for him. But lets just say that in the world of fish keeping he's monstrously FAMOUS. Holding several unprecedented records including the reintroduction of a technically declared extinct species of Goodeidae to the wild. And was the first person to ever spawn and successfully rear freshwater captive stingrays in aquarist history. He and another naturalist legend hero of mine, who has sadly now passed on, lived with a formerly (then/now illegal) head hunting tribe of South American Indians for a good period of time doing extremely cool research. I learned so much from these two men, of which only one is gay, that I will forever be in their precious debt. I've been in the man's home several times, including his private fish room which was during the time of my visits with him, his entire basement. He's the retired curator of one of the oldest public Aquariums in the USA. Then there is the fact that I have a myriad of highly responsible professional customers whom are gay couples that I have been entrusted by them to take care of for MANY years.

So it is that, when you and others here lumped me into politically incorrect categories with other philosophically baseless haters and homophobes, I was in fact VERY insulted to say the least. I proudly voted republican (as did several gays I personally know!) because I realized how grave the situation actually is here in the States with respect to our country's national identity and it's truest causal founding philosophy being annihilated. However, I am dead against liberal propaganda brainwashing agendas that feign a pseudo moral high ground to achieve their politically diabolical purposes. At heart I am a staunch libertarian in terms of my personal philosophies. My comments about Hillaryous Clinton were of a satirical pseudo moral high ground nature in reference to her feigned family values altruism. Her presidential campaign pushed that utterly false televised image extremely hard via the liberal media's best effort to brainwash everyone into believing that horse crap.

The internment parody I put forth earlier, and the iron coach or whatever it was that I referred to, are satirical references to the illegitimate criminals that the USA will be deporting sometime in the very near future. This is a HUGE problem for the States. It's NOT about racism. It's about being a legitimately responsible and accounted for US citizen. It's high time we expected the illegals here to get with our program (the USA's) and not have them coming here in droves expecting the program to get with them due to some liberal globalist's pan to reduce our country to the status of a third world nation. That's the bullshit that the liberals have been doing their best to bring to pass here. If the same thing was going on in your great country, you'd feel the EXACT same way.

BTW, with respect to illegals being temporarily confined in internment camps prior to being deported, google "FEMA Camp" and put two and two together. Be careful not to get caught up in all the liberal or far right wing fruitcake paranoid conspiratorial BS. Be Well!

I am sorry if what I said caused you upset, I believe you are a sincere and good person and not Prejudiced.
I myself have often used all sorts of terrible language, but not on a public forum, I was trying to point out that some of the things that you said could be interpreted in a certain way.
If i am honest, I am not sorry if what I said made you think about what you said, because my reasons were coming from a good place. (In other words: I am sorry for the distress my words caused to you, but I felt that you needed to be challenged about certain phrases or words you chose to use)
I admit I got carried away trying to act as the internet police, but I think this is a result of all the upset and helplessness I feel about the world as it is.
The reality is that there are plenty of fires at home (as in England) that I should be dealing with, and on reflection I probably went above my station in this thread.

I didn't graduate from high school, and have had to force myself to learn how to write in a way that matches the speed and eloquence with which I speak, (I am still a long way from this goal) I ponder every word that I write, which probably results in a pompous and condescending writing style. I believe it is because of this, that I place such importance on not only what is written, but also how it is "said".

When I can see someones face, and hear their tone of voice, I am able to glean all sorts of extra information, which it impossible (for me at least) to detect from writing.

I stand by what I said before, I do genuinely believe that when its all boiled down, we have more in common than not.

I think part of the conflict in this thread is about a culture clash, having been bought up in England I am used to a certain way of interpreting the freedom of speech.

I first really noticed this when I made a formal complaint to CBS news about some comments on a news story there in 2013:

A Response to the Science Be Damned Faction!



P.S Regarding American parts or manufacturing, for my work I needed to invest in a Vacuum mixer (for mixing plaster without bubbles) and having previously been trained and working in a top of the line Lab I wanted the best kit, there was only one manufacturer that I would consider and they happened to be American (Whipmix of Kentucky) there are cheaper alternatives but they do not match the performance or durability offered by this manufacturer. Having said that my choice of gypsum plaster is also based on quality and comes from a Japanese company.

Sometimes paying a bit more for quality pays off in the long run because it reduces waste and repairs etc.
But I do not base these decisions on country of origin, just on the individual piece of equipment.

Finally this is a gem of a quote and absolutely true:

"If you want to know, go to the men* who know".

*I would use the word "people" instead, as some of the smartest beings in the world happen to be women.

The nazis were doomed to fail because they deliberately excluded people because of prejudices, many of the absolutely mind blowing and world changing inventions the allies came up with, were due in no small part to people the nazis would deem "undesirable" for example the Atomic Bomb or Computers.

Best wishes. Harry.

 

[SRL+]

There are very few PhDs here, as if were the case the forum landscape would change dramatically. There is nothing wrong with anyone’s choice of occupation, as quite a few here are self-taught i.e. autodidacts.

 

[Walter Bosley]

I have a question for the Trump supporter posters on this thread - I am purposely avoiding calling the Trump supporters 'conservatives' because I know there are plenty of conservatives just as appalled by what Trump represents (and stokes up) as are 'liberals'.

My question is on the order of a hypothetical: on December 19th the Electoral College votes. What between red-state electors who are lobbying to switch their votes to a third party - like Kasich (among the names I have heard mentioned) and other electors saying they will switch their vote to the candidate who won the popular vote by over 1 million votes (Hillary) - what if in all of that - with electors exercising their constitutional rights to elect the next president - it winds up being that the Electoral College votes Hillary Clinton for President - what happens then?

Would you accept that the candidate with the overwhelming majority of the popular vote - and then the vote of the Electoral College - should take the office of president?

If you believe that Trump should remain President-Elect even without the popular vote and the Electoral College vote (were that to happen) - upon what would you base that conviction?

Let's just see what happens. I think there's a lot of wishful thinking going on but who knows. I do think that such a thing isn't going to be simply be taken lightly, though, if it were to happen. If you think you've seen angry response so far, let the electors pull that maneuver. (Yes, for the simple-minded, I am saying the closest we've come to an outright Civil War since the 19th Century. Maybe not as formal but just as bloody and even more potentially destructive -- and deserved.) You know me, I despise the Left. I also despise the Establishment on the Right, but I oppose Leftist philosophy and hope to see it fail and be kept down as much as possible at every turn. I particularly enjoy watching their apoplexy right now. Priceless. Especially if it provokes them to force their own destruction. But it all remains to be seen. There's a lot of wasted energy going on in this forum, I know that.

 

[marduk]

This is precisely what was done to me in part two of this glorious ongoing eulogy for social liberalism that *is* The Official Paracast Political Thread series, so I am simply following what is Gene approved precedent and protocol by doing the exact same thing myself.

@marduk writes the following, and before I paste as much here, I am declaring the following to be not only an utter falsehood, but it is literally by design wartime level propaganda that is composed of the identically twisted and deranged perspectives that reflect the liberal informational pollution that has been used in an attempt, a FAILED attempt, to brainwash the American public into accepting unconditional defeat. It's sick people, and you misguided mental midgets better wake the beep up.

@marduk wrote in his/her second post on page 52 of the OPPT pt. 2: "Those manufacturing jobs aren't coming back. For a simple reason: your workforce is too expensive for them to. Are you actually going to buy american when you walk into Walmart? No. Why? Because your workforce can't or won't spend the money to buy american.

Which by this point is actually lower quality anyway than the cheaper offshore manufacturing.

A workforce that is increasingly trapped at working in service industries like Walmart...blah, blah. blah"

*This* is what the liberal mindset can do for a person. It trains the impressionable mind to accept unsubstantiated, bullshit bred defeat. It trains the mind to beg for resolve when absolutely none is required. I want to be fair about my assertions here, so I am giving the author of this putrid propaganda the opportunity to provide just one, that's numeral 1, UNO for our illiterate friends soon to be on those big iron glory trains headed south, that substantiates this utter and complete horse hockey nonsense.

As a professional member of the USA's legitimate work force, now for almost 40 years, my business depends on repairs and services performed with all sorts of manufactured parts. 85% of those manufactured parts, thanks to those extremely influential market spectators like George Soros who have for the last 30 years funded and puppeteered national directives that the Bush, Clinton, and Obama administrations have overseen, have made it nearly untenable for the USA to do much manufacturing at all, so that 85% consists of imported parts. However, 15% of the parts we use are in fact manufactured in the United States. The quality of that 15% of the USA manufactured parts represented by their consistent quality, reliability, and longevity once installed, so overshadows the 85% GARBAGE parts that we primarily get from China in the form of middleman recognizable brand name reboxers, that the first question in our minds when obtaining parts from our suppliers is where the beep they are manufactured. Why? Because we do not want to have to replace for free what we are installing for our customers under the time frame represented by OUR warranty of these repairs.

So that's proof of ignorant falsehood fueled propaganda #1 flushed right down the nearest toilet where it belongs with the rest of the human feces like it.

I do not care what it is you are referring to in terms of manufacturing. In ANY case, if, and when that product was first made in the United States, and is now imported, it was hands down better quality when made here. I don't care what product it is that you are comparing a currently manufactured product in the USA to, a similar import is going to be FAR LESS quality. Ask *any* serious consumer enthusiast, I don't care what it is you are referring to, the best, and most top shelf product quality comes from those made in the USA, past or present, with respect to manufactured goods. Naturally you will find exceptional products made everywhere. Whether that be the Swiss or the Germans, but you will ALWAYS find top shelf parallels to any product manufactured anywhere manufactured in parallel simultaneously right here in the good ol' US of A.

That was proof of falsehood #2.
Now I'm sure that my fact filled post in this thread here will be followed up by all sorts of liberal editorials and philosophically baseless ongoings, but there you have it. The undeniable in your face TRUTH of the matter.

And @marduk, please, would you stop going on and on like some ranting and raving POed teenager that's about ready to slam their bedroom door? If you don't have something to state or contend that's based in and on reality, give it a rest or visit a different thread. Right Gene?

Except that you're totally full of it. It's part of what I do for a living, bub.

American manufacturing is expensive, error-prone, and subject to things like union action.

Which breaks supply chains which breaks time to market.

Here's your government's own data:
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42135.pdf

Manufacturing jobs are not the way of the future, anyway. They are continually being eroded by technology. And will continue to be.

In 50 years, a manufacturing plant may not have a single person in it.

Just like we're driving for mines right now... with no people in them. People cost money. People get run over by machines. Best to just not have them there.

 

[Jeff Davis]

There are very few PhDs here, as if were the case the forum landscape would change dramatically. There is nothing wrong with anyone’s choice of occupation, as quite a few here are self-taught i.e. autodidacts.

I agree 100%. The majority of the most potentially important creative people that have inventively ushered in paradigmatic change over the last 150 years had no use for formal education whatsoever. True ingenuity, and actual original creativity in the form of applied improvisation, come from within and cannot be taught.

An ocean's worth of book smarts don't add up to an ounce's worth of real life experience.

 

[Jeff Davis]

Except that you're totally full of it. It's part of what I do for a living, bub.

American manufacturing is expensive, error-prone, and subject to things like union action.

Which breaks supply chains which breaks time to market.

Here's your government's own data:
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42135.pdf

Manufacturing jobs are not the way of the future, anyway. They are continually being eroded by technology. And will continue to be.

In 50 years, a manufacturing plant may not have a single person in it.

Just like we're driving for mines right now... with no people in them. People cost money. People get run over by machines. Best to just not have them there.

The reported information that you supplied here SUPPORTS what I have contended. It doesn't deny it in the least. If what you do for a leaving depends on critical assessments supported by the likes of the comments you made concerning current competitive manufacturing in the USA, and the quality of the products being manufactured here in the United States, then your living is in grave danger. You were thoroughly and completely wrong in what you contended marduk, and I will not allow you or anyone else to fictionalize matters that I KNOW from my own professional real life experience concerning those contentions, to be nothing short of propagandized BS.

There is simply no way that you could use the data in the report that you provided to factually support what you stated below. I see professional PROOF otherwise every single day.

"Those manufacturing jobs aren't coming back. For a simple reason: your workforce is too expensive for them to. Are you actually going to buy american when you walk into Walmart? No. Why? Because your workforce can't or won't spend the money to buy american.

Which by this point is actually lower quality anyway than the cheaper offshore manufacturing.

A workforce that is increasingly trapped at working in service industries like Walmart...blah, blah. blah"

 

[Gene Steinberg]

And a lesson for certain people here:

How to avoid getting conned by fake news sites

 

[SRL+]

I agree 100%. The majority of the most potentially important creative people that have inventively ushered in paradigmatic change over the last 150 years had no use for formal education whatsoever. True ingenuity, and actual original creativity in the form of applied improvisation, come from within and cannot be taught.

An ocean's worth of book smarts don't add up to an ounce's worth of real life experience.

The thought here is, when both combined can be immensely helpful.

 

[Tyger]

I've linked to articles that discussed these two points - can't search for them now - they are on the previous threads - but the two interesting observations were -

- that there is a distinct view among certain segments of the US population that distrusts education; in fact, the less education the better, more credible. This is anti-intellectualism - against 'difficult' content-driven debate.

What makes Germany (and Denmark and the Netherlands) great (at this time imo) is that all forms of employment/labor are valued by those societies. No one feels better or less because of what they do. But being cultured and well-informed (educated) is an expectation - and lively political debate within the societies is expected.

- and secondly, being a professional, as in teacher, lawyer, doctor, middle management, is distrusted among certain segments of the US population, but being rich is admired. Rising from poverty to the professions is less admired than making money and being rich.

I see these two observations borne out with Trump supporters. Can't tell you how often I hear Trump supporters mention the view that Trump is a 'good businessman' - when most businessman I know cringe at his track record. They also like his 'tell it like it is' when in fact 80% of the time he is either out-and-out lying or grossly misinformed. In other words, ignornace trumps knowledge and acumen. Crazy.

 

[Tyger]

Let's just see what happens. I think there's a lot of wishful thinking going on but who knows.

It was a hypothetical - unlikely, yes - but I was asking the hypothetical in order to get at something.

I do think that such a thing isn't going to be simply be taken lightly, though, if it were to happen. If you think you've seen angry response so far, let the electors pull that maneuver.

As I expected. You are fine as long as Trump is the winner - and if not you will make trouble. That's what you are indicating. The Electors have the right to vote who they want into office - except where bound by a state law and even that is questionable according to some legal scholars, since the Electoral College is a constitutional requirement. The constitution has not been changed. State laws cannot abrogate the constitution.

(Yes, for the simple-minded, I am saying the closest we've come to an outright Civil War since the 19th Century. Maybe not as formal but just as bloody and even more potentially destructive -- and deserved.)

Your way or the highway? That's not democracy. You know that? The majority have spoken. If the Electoral College swings to the majority vote, that means Trump is not the legal president. Saying anything different is called something.

For the 'simple-minded' it does indeed mean that sedition and treason are present in the US and we have another adjustment to make.

How you can say that you think the destruction of the country is 'deserved' makes me question your citizenship.

You know me, I despise the Left. I also despise the Establishment on the Right, but I oppose Leftist philosophy and hope to see it fail and be kept down as much as possible at every turn.

You are in the wrong country. Move to Venuzuela, please. You'd be happy as a clam there.

I particularly enjoy watching their apoplexy right now. Priceless. Especially if it provokes them to force their own destruction. But it all remains to be seen. There's a lot of wasted energy going on in this forum, I know that.

We'll see. I know I am hoping there is sufficient opposition to the worst of Trump - and the alt-right as it is being called - that actually changes our country for the better in that opposition to what Trump represents and is supporting. We most assuredly shall see - but I do not think it will be the Trump supporters who will fare well if the system starts to crack. When that happens, hope you are in a region that is 'leftist' (as you call it) because it is only there where life will be livable for you, where you and your family will be safe.

 

[Walter Bosley]

It was a hypothetical - unlikely, yes - but I was asking the hypothetical in order to get at something.

As I expected. You are fine as long as Trump is the winner - and if not you will make trouble. That's what you are indicating. The Electors have the right to vote who they want into office - except where bound by a state law and even that is questionable according to some legal scholars, since the Electoral College is a constitutional requirement. The constitution has not been changed. State laws cannot abrogate the constitution.

Your way or the highway? That's not democracy. You know that? The majority have spoken. If the Electoral College swings to the majority vote, that means Trump is not the legal president. Saying anything different is called something.

For the 'simple-minded' it does indeed mean that sedition and treason are present in the US and we have another adjustment to make.

How you can say that you think the destruction of the country is 'deserved' makes me question your citizenship.

You are in the wrong country. Move to Venuzuela, please. You'd be happy as a clam there.

We'll see. I know I am hoping there is sufficient opposition to the worst of Trump - and the alt-right as it is being called - that actually changes our country for the better in that opposition to what Trump represents and is supporting. We most assuredly shall see - but I do not think it will be the Trump supporters who will fare well if the system starts to crack. When that happens, hope you are in a region that is 'leftist' (as you call it) because it is only there where life will be livable for you, where you and your family will be safe.

You question my citizenship, lol. This will all be over by Dec 19th. We'll see what the electors do and what happens as a result of it. I think they're gonna say 'Trump wins' and a bunch of snowflakes and pseudo-intellectuals will lament and gnash their teeth. I was just saying that I don't think the voters who did vote for Trump would take it sitting down if the Lefty wet dream were to happen. And, yes, Leftists deserve a smackdown and as often as possible. I love to see it. What makes you think it's not going to boil over again in civil conflict here? I'm just saying that it'll be over Lefty vs Righty. I despise Lefty so I know who I'm rooting for. By the way, regarding your comment that, and I paraphrase, 'as long as Trump wins, no violence' is my position -- Last I checked it's the Lefty supporters of Hillary who are tearing up and burning the streets. Oh, yeah, that's right -- whenever it's the Left, their reasons are always pure as snow and justified in the name of 'social justice'.

Venezeula! How quaint. LMFAO at you, Tyger Baby!

Meanwhile, you keep being...well... you. (And don't be so serious. None of us in this forum are going to change anything with anything but our votes. It feels good to comment and elaborate and quip and jab each other, but that's the extent of it. )

 

[kanakaris]

I've linked to articles that discussed these two points - can't search for them now - they are on the previous threads - but the two interesting observations were -

- that there is a distinct view among certain segments of the US population that distrusts education; in fact, the less education the better, more credible. This is anti-intellectualism - against 'difficult' content-driven debate.

What makes Germany (and Denmark and the Netherlands) great (at this time imo) is that all forms of employment/labor are valued by those societies. No one feels better or less because of what they do. But being cultured and well-informed (educated) is an expectation - and lively political debate within the societies are expected.

- and secondly, being a professional, as in teacher, lawyer, doctor, middle management, is distrusted among certain segments of the US population, but being rich is admired. Rising from poverty to the professions is less admired than making money and being rich.

I see these two observations borne out with Trump supporters. Can't tell you how often I hear Trump supporters mention the view that Trump is a 'good businessman' - when most businessman I know cringe at his track record. They also like his 'tell it like it is' when in fact 80% of the time he is either out-and-out lying or grossly misinformed. In other words, ignornace trumps knowledge and acumen. Crazy.

Very true.

 

[kanakaris]

Let's just see what happens. I think there's a lot of wishful thinking going on but who knows. I do think that such a thing isn't going to be simply be taken lightly, though, if it were to happen. If you think you've seen angry response so far, let the electors pull that maneuver. (Yes, for the simple-minded, I am saying the closest we've come to an outright Civil War since the 19th Century. Maybe not as formal but just as bloody and even more potentially destructive -- and deserved.) You know me, I despise the Left. I also despise the Establishment on the Right, but I oppose Leftist philosophy and hope to see it fail and be kept down as much as possible at every turn. I particularly enjoy watching their apoplexy right now. Priceless. Especially if it provokes them to force their own destruction. But it all remains to be seen. There's a lot of wasted energy going on in this forum, I know that.

What do you excatly hate about 'Leftist philosophy' ?

 

[Walter Bosley]

What do you excatly hate about 'Leftist philosophy' ?

You name it. Primarily collectivism, but there's a whole bunch to dislike.

 

[kanakaris]

You name it. Primarily collectivism, but there's a whole bunch to dislike.

Collectivism ?You mean the old sowjet term or solidarity ?