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[trainedobserver]

Oh Good Gravy! Keep dodging Rodger! Don't give me that shit. You know what I'm talking about. It was all over the forums and it has NOTHING to do with being gay!

No, I don't. Does it have something to do with religion?

 

[tyder001]

Go check out the post Chris is talking about and leave the homophobe card behind. Check the audio Paul Kimball put on here if you can find it. I don't play homophobe games and I think my history of posting on that subject speaks for itself. Good Grief!

 

[trainedobserver]

Go check out the post Chris is talking about and leave the homophobe card behind. Check the audio Paul Kimball put on here if you can find it. I don't play homophobe games and I think my history of posting on that subject speaks for itself. Good Grief!

So you want to accuse James Randi of being a pedophile to somehow add some weight to the argument that the pedophile priests shouldn't be criticized because they are religious figures? I'm not clear on you point here.

 

[tyder001]

Funny how you had no problem checking out for yourself the Imbrogno junk. No problem condeming the religious nuts but this? Why, you just have no idea! Sheesh! This place has gone to the dogs lately.

 

[tyder001]

T.O. I have a problem with how self rightous you are. I didn't accuse Randi. I said the "trail" stinks and some very reputable people like James Moseley and Paul Kimball and others have said it stinks. Nobody but Randi and the God he claims not to believe in really and truly know. Just the same as what the pope knows or does not know. You really are good at dodging and asking a question to a question. Do you hate hypocrites or only religious ones? Sounds like a personal problem.

 

[trainedobserver]

Funny how you had no problem checking out for yourself the Imbrogno junk. No problem condeming the religious nuts but this? Why, you just have no idea! Sheesh! This place has gone to the dogs lately.

You can ignore the fact that James Randi has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of this thread if you want, but its obvious why you threw that in there tyder. You think that it some sort of tit for tat nonsense. What tripe.

 

[tyder001]

What a hypocrite!

 

[tyder001]

You said that you were all indignant about pedophiles but I guess you only meant the easy targets. I thought you were better than that. I guess not.

 

[trainedobserver]

You said that you were all indignant about pedophiles but I guess you only meant the easy targets. I thought you were better than that. I guess not.

Start a James Randi is a pedophile thread tyder.

 

[tyder001]

I try to be civil here. I listen tripe and silly little slogans that certain skeptics throw out. I listen to junk about how the charlatans should be outed. But, it's selective don't you know? Also, I find it amusing that an old veteran of these forums that knows that a thread can wander in any direction at any moment all of a sudden is "offended" that it should leave the proper subject.

 

[trainedobserver]

It goes without saying that any pedophile shouldn't be tolerated tyder. Are you really trying to suggest that I would think otherwise?

So I guess, I'm at fault for not bringing up the allegations against some anti-religious hero then is it? Tell me then, are there any other gays that you suspect of being pedophiles that we should throw into this thread to even things out for you? I'm sure there are plenty that have been left out.

 

[tyder001]

What is with you and gay? You keep throwing that out there. I never said a word about being gay Nor did I ever say all gays were pedophiles. You really are a piece of work dude.

 

[trainedobserver]

What is with you and gay? You keep throwing that out there. I never said a word about being gay Nor did I ever say all gays were pedophiles. You really are a piece of work dude.

I'm trying understand your reasoning here tyder. You think I should have brought up the Amazing Randi, who I assume you are convinced for whatever reason is a pedophile, into a conversation about religious pedophiles because ... why?

You think I should be as outraged about a person who has been accused of pedophilia but take exception to my outrage over proven crimes? Help me out here. What are you actually talking about?

 

[mike]

I try to be civil here. I listen to tripe and silly little slogans that certain skeptics throw out.

I'm sorry tyder001 but the claim doesnt match the evidence, as defender of the faith you have resorted to outright lies in order to try and shut down a discussion you didnt like.

You dishonestly tried to justify your request to close the thread by claiming the discussions had become uncivil, when clearly they had not, your next tactic was to deliberatly insult and bait the other participants by being uncivil yourself, thus injecting the very behavior you claimed was justification to close the thread.

I dont know wether its concious or unconcious on your part, but the mechanisms you've attempted to employ here are very obvious.

Meanwhile i'm still interested to hear JPW's REASONS why the Church judges homosexual marriage to be wrong

What REASON does the CC cite as justification for its opposition to gay and lesbian couples

 

[tyder001]

I'm sorry tyder001 but the claim doesnt match the evidence, as defender of the faith you have resorted to outright lies in order to try and shut down a discussion you didnt like.

So, now it's down to name calling. I will give you a little more respect than you just gave me. I never tried to get the thread shut down and I backed off and said I was simply trying to bring balance. I don't see a LIE there.

You dishonestly tried to justify your request to close the thread by claiming the discussions had become uncivil, when clearly they had not, your next tactic was to deliberatly insult and bait the other participants by being uncivil yourself, thus injecting the very behavior you claimed was justification to close the thread.

Uncivil? I did think it was uncivil and even threw a little barb in there. I see that it must have stung you more than I intended it to. I almost pm'ed you to let you know I meant no offense but I got distracted by something else and completely forgot about it to be honest.


I dont know wether its concious or unconcious on your part, but the mechanisms you've attempted to employ here are very obvious.

Tactics? I quiet clearly stated that some folks (not you) were bad about wanting u.f.o. believers outed but slow to look in their own backyard. Actually, in hindsight I more than likely should have just started another discussion. But, these threads are like conversations and sometime you just interject something you are thinking about. I assure you it was not premeditated.

Meanwhile i'm still interested to hear JPW's REASONS why the Church judges homosexual marriage to be wrong

What REASON does the CC cite as justification for its opposition to gay and lesbian couples

That's not my fight since I have already stated I have no problem with what two consenting adults do in their own bedroom.

 

[trainedobserver]

That's not my fight since I have already stated I have no problem with what two consenting adults do in their own bedroom.

So your point of contention here is ...

 

[tyder001]

I often post the way I talk and that means that sometime a thought comes to me and I blurt it out. Often it works but sometime it doesn't. I think if we were face to face I would be able to get my point across to you and mabe you to me without all the prickly stuff that seems to cause hard feelings. I am really good at talking things over (Maybe it's the social worker in me) but writing can get a little convoluted. I don't like anybody insinuating that I am a homophobe. If you knew me you would know why. And nobody likes to be called a lyer (which you didn't do T.O.) But, enough is enough. I did not mean to hijack this thread and my intentions have been completely misunderstood here so I'm done with this one. At least with the name calling.

 

[mike]

More dishonesty.

I never tried to get the thread shut down

I'm asking that this thread be either closed or at least that some civility be brought back into it. Folks some of you are starting to look a lot like the very things that you proclaim to hate.

You did try and get the thread "closed" you asked for it directly.

You claimed incivility where none existed, if you go back prior to your request to "close" the thread you wont find any personal insults directed at anyone here, just topics of discussion you didnt like.

The incivility was then injected by you afterwards, Defender of the faith is not an insult or name calling is a description of the behaviour.
I support your right to defend your faith, but do it honestly with reasoned argument, not false claims of incivility, or requests to close the thread, censorship for no other reason than the topic made you uncomfortable.
You then deliberatly insulted and baited the other participants, in a glaringly obvious ploy to fan the very flames you needed to justify your original request asking that the thread be closed.

 

[tyder001]

Well mike I'll just let your class shine for all to see. Mr. civility. As I said before I write a little bit like I talk. So, I did say I'm asking (not demanding) the thread be shut down. Then I said "or at least some civility." Which is a little different than demanding anything. But, you do fail to see where I then later posted again and there was no demand of anything. You are good at pulling stuff up and accusing folks. Yes, there are times when I post something in the heat of the moment and then think later "wow, that may have been to much" But, I leave it up because it is what it is. Now, if all you have left is to keep calling me names then I'm done with you. If you would like to start over and accept human frailty and misunderstanding without venom then I'm good with that also.

 

[mike]

Well mike I'll just let your class shine for all to see. Mr. civility.

You dont see it do you ?
You post

What a hypocrite!

I have a problem with how self rightous you are

Sounds like a personal problem.

You really are a piece of work dude.

I thought you were better than that. I guess not.

You are the one deliberatly casting the personal insults at the other participants, for no other reason than their opinion is different to yours.

You have the sheer unmitigated gall to ask for the thread to be closed because of incivility that didnt exist, and then proceed to fling personal insults at those who opinion doesnt match yours

You post

You really are good at dodging

But when i show your claim that you never asked for the thread to be closed is at odds with the evidence you did indeed do so, you dodge it

And you have the temerity to call TO a hypocrite.............