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True. Just common worldly sense makes it more likely to have been the crash of something terrestrial. But then again, when it comes to alien visitation, it's the exceptions that we're dealing with, and Roswell seems to fit in there pretty well. Like Gene says, "We'll probably never know what really happened."None of that eliminates what I said about Roswell just as possibly (if not more so) being a human project gone awry.
I really enjoyed being on the show, and I hope listeners can forgive my rusty interviewing skills. Gene and Walter make it sound like they're sitting at the kitchen table gabbing over coffee, but I remind myself of a rookie reporter, in fact this one may have even been more entertaining ..:
A couple of of links as promised on the Antarctic anomalies:
OK, that's not exactly what I said or claim the USAF did, boys.
You are assuming that the UFO thing WAS more classified than everything else, which is an assumption. You guys also presume to know that UFOs were real in your preferred definition and would never have been used as a cover for a classified first attempt at manned space flight. There was a cold war going on and man in space was considered one of the heights of attaining the high ground. So in the mind of Curtis LeMay it might have been that such an attempt WAS INDEED a tad more serious than UFOs (in spite of the various questionable or questionably interpreted documents that will be bandied about in response to me...) thus the fun but not-as-substantiated-as-many-wish subject of UFOs might very well have been considered worth sacrificing to cover an operation which the USAF Chief of Staff and the DoD commanders and even the President could have considered of greater importance, i.e. said first manned attempt. If that wasn't clear in the discussion on the show, mea culpa, but what you're suggesting is not what I meant.
Walter, the idea from Randall I was referring to in my post wasn't actually directed at anything you did or did not say, I was simply crediting Randall with educating me with an argument I'd never considered before myself. I don't even remember exactly when and Randall brought it up and why but regardless of why Randall said it, I was just commenting that it's an idea that I like that can probably be applied to various incidents etc in the history of Ufology. I wasn't necessarily agreeing with whatever reason Randall brought it up for at the time, more just that in general, it's a pretty useful argument for any circumstances that could apply with one highly classified item being used to coverup a less-highly classified item.
There's all kinds of Arctic & Antarctic mythology out there. It fires the imagination, but I don't think there's much to it. However there could very well be some modern bases there that are off the civilian grid. I dunno. Like Bosley says, to paraphrase; "To know for sure we'd have to go down there and have a look for ourselves." Wouldn't it be great to have that kind of budget for investigation?
That seems to be the case given the wording.
That's where the logic falls apart. Disclosing the existence of or even simply alluding to secret projects simply isn't done without proper authorization and protocols. Captain Whomever wouldn't have the discretion to use any highly classified project as a cover for anything without proper authorization. The only way it would make any sense at all is if they mistakenly thought UFOs weren't taken seriously and weren't classified. Because then they couldn't get in any trouble for mentioning them. But that wasn't the case, so what was the real situation?
Exactly. It's perfectly clear that the Project Magnet memo wasn't simply referring to some sort of unknown aircraft, and the project with the task of figuring out what they were was classified higher than the H-Bomb. It's totally ridiculous to think that anyone would authorize that level of a project to be used as a cover story for anything. Furthermore the whole suggestion reeks of an attempt to depreciate the role that official UFO investigations had by implying they were simply fabricated cover stories involving little green men and nothing to take seriously. I'm not falling for it.
If we boil down everything to the issue of verifiability then we might as well forget the whole thing because there isn't enough evidence for everyone to consider any given thing 100% "verified". All verification is is evidence someone believes is sufficient for them to believe a claim is true. It's essentially a synonym for the word "proof", and I think the Project Magnet Memo can be considered a form of verification through back-channels that the USA was secretly investigating UFOs and that they were taken very seriously. But now we're also losing focus on the point I was making. Consider it this way:
I don't recall saying "never". I usually make a conscious effort to avoid absolutes. I probably said something along the lines that it doesn't make any sense to use one highly classified secret project as a cover story for another.and used the Project Magnet memo as an example of how seriously UFOs were taken.
Sure it does.
It's beside the point.
That's a sort of loaded rationale that sounds good on the surface, but needs to be deconstructed in order to see the issue clearly. However most people don't bother because it's easier to make armchair judgements on sound-bites than think it through. The fact is, by not assuming any starting point, it leaves interpretation open to anything and that provides no specific focus at all. I don't think that's a good idea. It's perfectly normal for research into specific things to have a specific hypothesis.I'm not trying to be a dick. Seriously. But it's time perhaps that the UFO discussion reset to a starting position that does not assume an ET solution nor compels the participants to show reverence to the ETH because it's what many people are conditioned to fall back on or have chosen to believe.
Yes that sounds like a good idea. I should check it out before I comment on it specifically. Perhaps a chapter by you would have been a good addition
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You'll have to forgive me, but after creating a rather extensive response, I highlighted some text I wanted to delete and it highlighted the whole thing and deleted the whole post
! ... arrr ... So we'll have to do this another way in small chunks. I'll begin by saying that we can't even begin to have a proper discussion about it at this point because we probably aren't on the same page regarding what we mean by the terms that are being used.
I disagree.