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The Roswell Slides Have Been Leaked Online

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Makes me wonder who hacked into Redfern, Reynolds and Bragalia's emails? Either someone in Ufo community or Gov? Except that Redfern didn't feel the gov would have used such a sloppy approach as what happened.

Nick Redfern is correct. The best of the best are rarely if ever detected unless that is the intention. Early on, if the big boys wanted, they could have easily followed each and every move the “Dream Team” made, for this is a land where the word warrant has no real meaning. When you stop and think about the ramifications in terms of potential global destabilization, this obviously would not be allowed under any circumstance.
 
Mike, seriously? Resorting to these kinds of personal attacks is a poor reflection of your inability [in this thread] to have a spirited debate without having to resort to these kinds personal attacks. You should reconsider this post and just delete it. You can do better than this type of post. I hope!
I agree, tone it down, stop w/ the name calling and play nice. Obviously, you are not going anywhere w/ this...neither of you seems to be able to effectively communicate your position, or you both refuse to listen. Take a break, or take it to PM.
 
Since you quoted me from your post above, I have to point out I never made that statement above that you're assigning to me. Please acknowledge your mistake, or quote me if I'm mistaken. Thanks.

About the crash assumption concept... I'm sure you have heard of the Drake equation. Well, playing the odds based on that kind of concept, you will probably lose your bet about ONE TRILLION times vs winning a bet that aliens crashed their UFO because atomic weapons were exploded nearby 2 years ago back then in 1945. Just DARE to bet against "the house" and you will come out the loser and have no money if you keep placing that bet. IMO.

My mistake- Boy in Machine posted "Roswell is dead" after dismissing the slides. Still not sure where that applies even if the slides turn out to be hoax or curiosity. As far as using the concept of the Drake equation in your post above- if you read my earlier post, you would know that I never said anything about Aliens crashing while checking out U.S. atomic weapons testing- I did mention the "possibility" of some type of non human technology being recovered. I would never place a bet on something so vague.
 
When will the great unwashed mass of ufoology get over their programmed Roswellian fixation? I waaaahhh-nah believe! A 10,000 seat arena in Mexico City? Can you spell G-R-E-E-D? Or spell BS? If any of you buy into this latest scenario, I've got a bridge in NYC for sale.... :0
Let's take investigation and analysis of this UAP/AAO mystery to the next level already people! IMO, there is no substitute for realtime hard data monitoring and unequivocal science.


On that score Chris, any news on the SLV camera project or has it stalled funds-wise? I swear if I won the lottery, I'd be chucking $150,000 to the project quick smart! Makes you sick thinking of those huge bonuses the bankers get, just to be squandered on more trappings of wealth (and sometimes I think there is a certain 'being trapped' by wealth, in that people tend to think they have to behave a certain way when they have money, and that is to waste it on the most expensive things! Any idiot can tell the really important things in life cannot be bought - just look at the movie 'Foxcatcher').
 
if you read my earlier post, you would know that I never said anything about Aliens crashing while checking out U.S. atomic weapons testing[...]
I did read it, of course, but I did not quote you as saying: "that aliens crashed their UFO because atomic weapons were exploded nearby 2 years ago back then in 1945." The reason I said that follows:

In that case, I was just offering an example about "why" aliens might be in the area within the context of the concept of using a Drake-like equation [<-not literally using it -concept only!]. This is a concept or idea [aliens detected the atomic blasts] that Stanton Friedman has commonly put forward as an explanation or reason why the aliens might come there.
 
I've got to hand it to S.R.L. for finding The Bizarre Spectacle this has become in many of his posts. These are so good I'm doing a listing of these below:

Check this out, does this look at all familiar to anyone? forgetomori » “Alien Skeleton” case solved

Just another one of Maussan’s many masterpieces, as this squirrel monkey was passed off as ET. forgetomori » The Screamin’ Demon of Mexico: Monkey Business


Look down the page to where it’s written:

“During a review of the slides-finding, I (and others) discovered that Bernerd Ray went to work with Silas Newton shortly after 1947, during which, I suggest, he showed the slides to Newton (and Frank Scully’s wife) from which the Aztec story evolved, although the slides were taken of an incident in Roswell: the 1947 Roswell event that was covered up by the U.S. Army.”

UFO Conjecture(s): The Roswell Slides? Or the Aztec Slides?

It's just too wierd that you have Bernerd Ray working for con man Silas Newton during the Roswell era. I'm wondering if Newton gave Ray bogus slides to stash. Then again, it's all speculation in offering up some type of proof that Ray did in fact work for Newton.

This is a great post S.R.L. did too:

I just happened to notice an opinion that “The Trained Observer” left elsewhere that I’m in total agreement with.

“I find it impossible to believe that the United States government, particularly the military, would obtain the corpse of an intelligent extraterrestrial life form and put it on display somewhere in a glass box under bright lights. Every cell of the corpse would be absolutely priceless. The potential for medical research, the weaponization of the biological material, and future discoveries as science progresses would dictate that the corpse be kept in an airtight vault and never exposed to light unnecessarily. Logic dictates that the slides can only be showing us a museum piece or a sideshow curiosity and not a "history changing" extraterrestrial biological sample. I don't see how anyone outside of religious fanatics or fantasists could think otherwise. Unfortunately, "ufology" is full of both as well unethical opportunists ready to take advantage of the faithful. I would have to agree that it is ultimately a hoax, since I do not think everyone involved in this latest fleecing of the flock believes the pitch. The thing that kills me is that after all this is said and done. After it becomes painfully obvious that the thing in the box is not an alien, "The Dream Team" will get a free pass and next year, or the year after next, the same type of nonsense will be going on. Or will that be an "Imbrogno" moment, as it probably should be, for some people?”
 
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Either someone in Ufo community or Gov? Except that Redfern didn't feel the gov would have used such a sloppy approach as what happened.
Did you listen to Nick Redfern with Greg Bishop on Radio Misterioso? The hacker would send Nick a copy of Nick's email to Nick himself. Bizzare. He flaunted to Nick he was hacked every time Nick sent an email, so Nick would know he was monitored every time an email was sent. Bizzare! That's pure and simple intimidation with no attempt to conceal what the hacker was doing!

Listen to the VERY BIZARRE mystery about the elderly "mystery man" from Midland that knew all about the 2 slides years ago BEFORE anything went "live" or published on the net. His primary interest was about making money, because he wanted to know the value and worth of the 2 slides.

Here is the direct link to download the audio:


Nick Redfern is correct. The best of the best are rarely if ever detected unless that is the intention. Early on, if the big boys wanted, they could have easily followed each and every move the “Dream Team” made, for this is a land where the word warrant has no real meaning. When you stop and think about the ramifications in terms of potential global destabilization, this obviously would not be allowed under any circumstance.

Nick Redfern – The Roswell Slides and Hacked Researchers
Posted on January 10, 2015 by Greg
In the past few months, much has been made in certain quarters about the recent surfacing of slide film supposedly depicting dead aliens from the Roswell crash. The so-called “dream team” of researchers who are keeping their findings about these artifacts under wraps until they say that they can authenticate them conclusively have still not been forthcoming with any new information.

Nick was on the show to discuss the recent hacking of his personal computer and online accounts by a mysterious person or group. The members of the Roswell research group were also affected. Nick reports that two years before the announcement of the existence of the slides, he was contacted by an individual asking how much he thought that the images were worth. The fact that this person went to UFO researchers rather than a more mainstream media outlet (or was rejected by them first) is telling. Nick and I both agreed that the slides, even if “authentic” would prove very little to those outside of the UFO research community.

During the second half of the show we discussed Nick’s upcoming Men In Black book and how UFO study could most likely not reinvent itself to make any headway towards solving the mystery. It would also do little to gain mainstream respectability, which I contend is not worth the struggle.
 
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On that score Chris, any news on the SLV camera project or has it stalled funds-wise? ...
The project requires access to adequate upload bandwidth. That has always been the main stumbling block. That and a reliable base station location. We have the gear for the first three locations and a team of engineers finishing up the software modifications. I'm working on somehow supplying high speed net access. Thanks for asking!
 
Kodak-Alien.jpg

ouch. Shall we give him a name?
 
My mistake- Boy in Machine posted "Roswell is dead" after dismissing the slides. Still not sure where that applies even if the slides turn out to be hoax or curiosity. As far as using the concept of the Drake equation in your post above- if you read my earlier post, you would know that I never said anything about Aliens crashing while checking out U.S. atomic weapons testing- I did mention the "possibility" of some type of non human technology being recovered. I would never place a bet on something so vague.


I clarified that comment but it's been lost in the pages in this thread.

Roswell research is dead despite whether or not there is any truth to the case.

There's numerous persons who have researched Roswell but there's only 4 big public faces. Those would be Stanton Friedman, Kevin Randle, Donald Schmitt and Thomas Carey. Only Don and Tom are really active in the public in the present. All four of these have been discredited. Stanton got lost in the MJ12 stuff. Don and Tom are trying to pass off a picture of what appears to be a mummified child as that of being a Roswell alien, and Kevin, well, Kevin is tricky. Kevin gives the impression of distancing himself but he makes comments that clearly shows support for Don and Tom.

So basically in the end Roswell research is only as good as the researchers and the big 4 are no longer credible. Since nobody else is stepping forward and since such persons would have to start over from scratch, not to mention the majority of witnesses are dead, Roswell research is over. It's done.
 
Yeah many of us have heard of the Drake equation, and unlike you actually understand what it is

The Drake equation is a probabilistic argument used to estimate the number of active, communicative extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy. The equation was written in 1961 by Frank Drake not for purposes of quantifying the number of civilizations

It makes no mention of the likelyly hood their technology would be infalable, or might fail due to atomic weapons being exploded.

Well, that's pretty much right, except that societal failure (on average) is folded into the 7th term, L. There are seven factors in the Drake equation, and when Drake first wrote it down, we only knew the first one. We now have decent estimates for the first three. We are just guessing at the last four terms, so no one is justified in reaching any conclusions.
 
Has anyone ever tasked a satellite to take full spectrum images of the Roswell crash site(s)? The technology being used to find archaeological sites and reexamine old sites seems to me would be a very good source of hard evidence to prove that something crashed there. The disturbance of the earth should be readily visible in these satellite images...
 
An excellent idea. This might be a good subject for an FOIA request. I'd bet such satellite imaging has been done but most likely not publicized.
 
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Has anyone ever tasked a satellite to take full spectrum images of the Roswell crash site(s)? The technology being used to find archaeological sites and reexamine old sites seems to me would be a very good source of hard evidence to prove that something crashed there. The disturbance of the earth should be readily visible in these satellite images...

Assuming that the crash was extraterrestrial and going off of the testimony, I doubt there would have been any sign of impact. The debris on the Foster ranch did not penetrate the ground and appeared to have broken up in the air and then rained down from the sky. If there was a second crash site it would have been small, only large enough to carry 4 or 5 3ft tall beings.

However, the key thing is that if there was a second crash site nobody can be sure where it is at. All we have is stories, stories which people believe as fact but which aren't.
 
I just noticed a possibly significant biographical detail concerning Bernerd Ray in the last sentence of this paragraph by Anthony Bragalia (posted at Kevin Randall's site recently):

"This author made the discovery that the husband, Bernerd A. Ray, was an Oil Exploration Geologist working the fields in New Mexico and the Permian Basin (which includes the Roswell region) in the 1940s for a company that would later become part of Texaco. In 1947 he was the President of the Texas chapter of the American Institute of Petroleum Geologists, which also at that time ‘folded in’ the State of New Mexico. After 1947, Bernerd became a ‘ghost’ in his profession and did not publish nor appear to be active with the Institute ever again."

A Different Perspective: Roswell Slides: An Update
 
Spying on the Roswell Slides
Nick Redfern, February 13, 2015

Well, the various articles I have recently written here at Mysterious Universe, on what have become known as the “Roswell Slides”, have resulted in a lot of questions coming my way. One of them has surfaced more than any other. It basically goes like this: Do I think that the key players in the saga of the slides are “being watched”? You know: by the dreaded “them.” Or, to get straight to the point: “the government”?

It is indeed an interesting question. I should stress that I have no data – at all – suggesting that such surveillance is going on. But, I can speak of something very strange that happened in the summer of 2014, and which has at least a bearing on this matter of someone snooping around.

It goes like this: last summer one of the “Dream Team” members investigating the slides, Tony Bragalia, was hacked. The hacker was someone using a safemail account and the name of “A Glass Darkly.” It turns out that AGD got into Bragalia’s emails and god knows where else, too.

On top of that, my emails and those of Rich Reynolds – of The UFO Conjecture(s) blog – were also compromised. Whether that was because we were directly hacked, or because we had email exchanges with Tony B, and which may simply have allowed AGD to read our emails via Tony’s In-Box, I don’t know. But, what I am in a position to say is that the hacker was real, his actions were real, and he did access Tony Bragalia’s email account.

As a result, and hardly surprisingly, the FBI was contacted on matters relative to this. I am not sure where that all stands right now. But no matter, because another push is being made to have the world of law-enforcement (specifically those people whose work covers cyber-security) take a renewed look at this entire situation, which is filled with intrigue and high-strangeness.

It became very clear from AGD’s words (he actually inserted himself into my and Rich’s emailed conversations by replying…) that he was interested in the Roswell slides. What AGD did in his quest for the truth of the slides was to 100 percent cross the line in terms of what is acceptable or legal. He chose to voyeuristically snoop through our emails (and possibly through files and folders too), in search of anything and everything relevant to the slides. I’m sure AGD was hoping that one of us, or all of us, had copies of the slides on our laptops, tablets etc. We did not, however – none of us.

As for who AGD was/is, that’s the bigger question which requires answering. Some people have said that they suspect it’s actually all the work of the Dream Team itself. In other words, there was/is no real hacker using the alias of A Glass Darkly.

In this scenario, the Dream Team concocted and stage-managed the entire caper to add to the ever-growing interest in the slides, and to generate yet more publicity. I have to say I completely reject this theory, for the very simple fact that the FBI was contacted. No-one on the Dream Team would be so stupid as to create a non-existent hacker and then try and get the FBI involved in an investigation relevant to that same non-existent hacker.

I also rule out the idea that this was the work of “the government.” The idea that any agency – of any government in the world – would need to create a safemail account to access the emails of three people (me, Reynolds, and Bragalia) is ridiculous. Such hacking could have been achieved quite easily, and without the need to hide behind a safemail account – or behind any email account.

My personal opinion? The hacking was done by someone in the UFO research community; someone who was overly eager to be the first with the most. Of course, now, and as of a couple of days ago, you can see one of the images right here. What it shows, I don’t know. Many who have looked at it are underwhelmed. From what I see too, I can’t say I’m particularly excited either.

In a couple of months from now, we may have more answers regarding what the slides show. I doubt those revelations will have a bearing on who A Glass Darkly was, however. But, I’m hoping that certain things which are in motion – right now – may provide us with the real identity of AGD. Stay tuned. Whatever the Roswell slides show (or don’t show) the story – and the curious, behind-the-scenes things, like the AGD-hacking saga – is going to run and run."

Spying on the Roswell Slides | Mysterious Universe
 
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