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THE SOCORRO HOAX EXPOSED! (Famous 1964 sighting was a college prank)

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All I can say is shiiiiiit! This is one of those cases always mentioned when people are talking about landmark cases. If it was a hoax, well, it would be a pithy....

Pity. Yes but I'm not writing Socorro off on the basis of just this. Socorro has long been targeted. For some time the favorite "explanation" was a chopper carrying Surveyor on a test. At least this new nonsense shows the old explanation was finally deemed not good enough. :)
 
What a misleading headline. It's a pity if people look at the headline and just glance at the article and assume this very important case has been debunked. Read the article and you will see there is very little there. In no way has this "critical thinker" exposed it as a hoax.
 
What a misleading headline. It's a pity if people look at the headline and just glance at the article and assume this very important case has been debunked. Read the article and you will see there is very little there. In no way has this "critical thinker" exposed it as a hoax.
Unfortunately the art of writing headlines is separate from actually doing solid reporting. The former can often be used to sell the story to the reader, to get more hits or circulation or both.

This classic sighting is something we are definitely going to be exploring further in the near future! :)
 
Oh man, I just clicked on it and I see the article at the RRR site. They've been keen to debunk Socorro for awhile. In the past they claimed it was a secret Hughes craft. Now this.
 
Oh man, I just clicked on it and I see the article at the RRR site. They've been keen to debunk Socorro for awhile. In the past they claimed it was a secret Hughes craft. Now this.
All this is based on the assumption that the eyewitness was a someone easily fooled, but the same holds true for the people who investigated the case at the time, such as the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek. Now I knew Hynek slightly in the 1970s, and he was nobody's fool.
 
Here are some headlines I'd like to see, and believe.

'Consensus Reality Is A Hoax!'

'Government Is A College Prank!'

'Money Is Worthless!'

'God Is Swamp-Gas!'

'Ban On Naturally Occurring Plant And Fungi Repealed!'

'U.N. Determines That Free Beer Is A Universal Human Right.'

...I could keep going but I won't.

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What a load. OK I'm a bit biased. I was born and raised in Socorro. I've met Mr. Zamora. My Dad was friends with Sammy Chavez (the State police officer who showed up shortly after Lonnie had the sighting) and there's no way Mr. Zamora would have been fooled by a prank using helium balloons and flares(!?) Give me a break. Rear projection!? What is this? Fucking Scooby Doo?
What about the other eyewitnesses who saw a fast low flying object that flew over their car? Or the sighting of a similar craft in northern New Mexico on the same day?
 
This is the most compelling aspect of that Wiki:

However, in a secret report prepared for the CIA, Project Blue Book's director, Major Hector Quintanilla offered further details regarding the Zamora case, "There is no doubt that Lonnie Zamora saw an object which left quite an impression on him. There is also no question about Zamora's reliability. He is a serious police officer, a pillar of his church, and a man well versed in recognizing airborne vehicles in his area. He is puzzled by what he saw and frankly, so are we. This is the best-documented case on record, and still we have been unable, in spite of thorough investigation, to find the vehicle or other stimulus that scared Zamora to the point of panic."[4]

This will be, as you might imagine, a key point of discussion for our forthcoming episode with Ray Stanford and Chris O'Brien.
 
"This will be, as you might imagine, a key point of discussion for our forthcoming episode with Ray Stanford and Chris O'Brien."

Gene, you are just full of good news today. I'm very much looking forward to the show! Various groups have long sought to get rid of the Socorro case, apparently because it is so strong. Some of their attempts are quite comical, but no less disgusting for it.
 
"This will be, as you might imagine, a key point of discussion for our forthcoming episode with Ray Stanford and Chris O'Brien."

Gene, you are just full of good news today. I'm very much looking forward to the show! Various groups have long sought to get rid of the Socorro case, apparently because it is so strong. Some of their attempts are quite comical, but no less disgusting for it.
It's unfortunate that, rather than provide evidence, their approach is to just label Zamora as an idiot and nothing more. Sad but true.
 
Frank Warren posted this very interesting video the other day:

THE UFO CHRONICLES: News and Reports From Around The World

I don't recall ever seeing it before, though I'm having trouble figuring out how I managed to miss it. I am sure I have seen references to it in other work, though. Anyway, among many other fascinating things like Jacque Vallee on camera for extended periods, is a very good treatment of the Socorro case. Lonnie himself is interviewed, along with some of his co-workers. As pointed out in the show, Lonnie was a State Trooper, something I had forgotten and something the attackers of the case don't like to mention. He was not some poorly trained deputy or anything like that. Certainly not a fool.

Thanks, Frank!

Edit: Either Lonnie was incorrectly identified as a state trooper in the video, or I misunderstood it when I watched it. Officer Zamorra was with the Socorro Police.
 
Here is an email I got from Ray Stanford yesterday...

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I have sent the following to The UFO Iconoclast, in response to Anthony Bragalia's ludicrous claim that the Socorro CE III case was engineered by anonymous college students. I doubt it will get posted, or at least it hasn't as yet.:



The claims made in THE SOCORRO UFO HOAX EXPOSED! (Famous 1964 sighting was a college prank) by Anthony Bragalia would be unacceptable as evidence in any court of law. His article contains only hear-say, and no evidence of what is alleged to have happened has been brought forth.

Any reader with the ability to hear can have the chance to learn the facts on Friday, October 2, at 1:30 to 3:30 PM, eastern USA time. That's because I have kindly been invited to address this matter on The Paracast at that time.

Bragalia's claim that the Socorro CE III case has been exposed should never have been published as being fact.

Please note: I wrote the book on the Socorro case, and that's a literal statement -- all 211 pages of it.

On Wednesday, April 29, 1964, I was the only investigator invited by Dr. J. Allen Hynek to be with him, Lonnie Zamora, and New Mexico State Police Sergeant Samuel Chavez (No one else was allowed there.) while we went over the entire experience.

Zamora didn't like to give many details to 'outsiders', but this time was different since he felt it his patriotic duty because Hynek was the official investigator for the U.S. Air Force.

Lonnie even sat in the police car parked exactly where it had been during the close-range part of the event, and went through the entire bodily action of quickly exiting the police car, stepping fast with his prescription glasses and sunshades on, directly toward the object. Then, as he did again for us, at only about thirty-five feet from where the 18-to-20 foot ellipsoidal object had rested, Zamora threw himself into a protective prone position on the slope, because a sudden and terribly loud roar began as a blue column of brilliant light emitted from the object. It was a diverging cone of light, being narrow at the top, but wider toward the ground.

Even at ~ 35 feet away, Zamora could feel heat radiating from the luminous 'exhaust'. Something has to be extremely hot to be felt at that distance, especially with a stiff breeze blowing it in another direction.

Subsequently, Allen Hynek commended my 1976, 211-page book about the case in a letter to me, intended for use in promoting it. An electronic copy of Hynek's letter is available from me, at anyone's individual request. He also donated a copy of my Socorro book to the technical library of NASA's Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center. (I have proof of that.)

My position regarding the Socorro object: It was an 18-to-20 foot ellipsoid of high eccentricity (i.e., long, rather narrow). It displayed two distinct propulsion modes. One was used only in landing and take-off and was very noisy. The other and apparently primary propulsion mode was, by contrast, very quiet, but it imparted very high speed (both horizontally and in almost vertical flight) to the object in very few seconds of time.

The source of the object is unknown. Although it was technologically sophisticated, that does not certify an extra-terrestrial origin, although associated evidences might, and not unreasonably, be taken as evidence of such.

Publicly unknown but extremely well-documented evidence relevant to the question of exotic propulsion of the Socorro object was recovered from the Socorro landing site and is in my possession. Its nature and possible significance will be discussed on The Paracast, October 2.

I am also preparing an in-depth, written exposé of Bragalia's claims about the Socorro case. It will be published on any willing website when ready, because I don't personally have time to maintain one. Hopefully even Bragalia may be willing to carry it, once he learns the facts.

Ray Stanford
College Park, Maryland, USA
 
You know what would be even better than a one sided argument??

Get Stanford AND Bragalia on the show. Has anyone thought of asking Anthony to come on as well?? I don't know if he would, but it would be interesting to hear "the whole story" if indeed there is one.
 
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